OK, let's solve the health care issue.

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robert1 wrote:I've been going to tests with specialists for 2 weeks now nonstop. My wife has worked on the same cancer floor for 20 years. I wind up at the hospital where she works this week for tests in preparation for treatment. I asked why they did most of the surgery at a different location but same hospital. She says at her hospital they mostly treat uninsured patients now. As I sit waiting my turn I notice from appearances anyway that most are poor and elderly. I really don't see how we don't have health care for all now as they can't turn anyone away. I know a guy that has done odd jobs his whole life has no money to speak of and is getting the same treatments as I am from Medicare. I certainly don't have the answers to this but it would seem to me we're already there.
I can't disagree with that.

If I went to get an education because I really wanted to help people, but make a decent living as an M.D., I would hope I wouldn't forget the help part and that the recipient wouldn't forget the responsibility part. I would want my own decent living, though, to compense for my education and skills received. More as experience and proof of my quality was given.

Doctors could do an occassional pro bono, society could teach responsibility and people would make an earnest atempt, at least, to compense for the service renedered unto them.

I think it would help if things were worked on from both ends instead of a tug of war/all or nothing.

Oh, and govt is not capable of this common sense. Many in it,are quite irresponsible themselves.
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I have heard repeatedly about programs that will reduce the cost of health care. I have yet to see any proposal that will realistically reduce the cost of health care. There are programs that will pass the costs on to others but not reduce them.

If increased competition is seen as the solution, it must reduce to the fact that cost reduction will come at the expense of some health care providers profits. Who will it be? Nurses, doctors, drug companies, insurance companies? Not on your life. No one would willingly agree to work for less compensation unless forced to do so. If forced to do so, many will find other areas of employment. Less supply with constant demand will result in price increases, not reductions.

I am not enthusiastic about having surgery performed by a doctor or nurse that is working two jobs to compensate for lost revenue. Which health insurance companies, or drug companies are making obscene profits? I would like to buy a large block of their stock.

So, what is the real problem that the lefties are trying to fix?



I am from BIG government and I am here to help you. Spread your legs and bend over.
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This kinda cuts to the chase......

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc

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Specific provisions of the Health Care bill all should be aware of......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8

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This whole health-care debacle is making sick. Flaunting the Constitution is unacceptable.
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Why do you( government) keep ramming crap down the throat of someone who doesn't need or want it????
Amazing the dems don't give a rats arse!!!
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af2 wrote:Why do you (government) keep ramming crap down the throat of someone who doesn't need or want it????
Why? Because those who make up this 'administration' aren't interested in what you nor I nor the great majority of Americans want or don't want, Adam. They fancy themselves rulers over us, rather than the public servants they truly are.

As with all despotic regimes,...... They are preoccupied with acquisition of power and control over people they attempt to minimize and subjugate (that would be you and I and all Americans not a part of the self-styled elitist 'ruling' class).

And in the case of Mr. Soetoro (AKA 'Obama')...... You may trace their arrogance at present to this narcissistic megalomaniac whom George Soros and Saudi Prince al Waleed bankrolled into office through fraud and deception.
af2 wrote:Amazing the dems don't give a rats arse!!!
Democrats on the whole appear to be sheeple at present, Adam...... Either incapable or unwilling to challenge the misinformation spewed forth 24/7 by the MSM propagandists...... Nor to indulge in independent thought...... Nor to take personal responsibility for themselves and the course of our nation. Rather, they seem content to do Soros' bidding and follow the DNC 'leadership' he has bought and paid for.

Globalism, socialism, a weakened America no longer truly sovereign nor having the will and the means to defend herself...... In addition to self-enrichment at our expense. These are the goals of billionaire globalist and socialist George Soros...... As parroted by those Americans either misinformed or indoctrinated in leftist ideology.

Having said that...... I remain hopeful that rank and file Democrats will soon realize that it is their personal freedoms, liberties, livelihoods and fortunes that will be lost along with our own, should Soros and those who do his bidding succeed in transforming America into a globalist, socialist, fascist state. If Democrats wake up in time, we can set aside our differences and work together as Americans to set things right again. There will be plenty of time to work out our political and ideological differences once we have defeated this common threat to us all.

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I did not read all of this.. (One page)...

But back in the early 2000's, I found a thread on the web about the timeline, actions, and results that came about because Blue Cross/Blue Shield coldly and calculatingly collaborated with our great GOV such that over time, that both made sure we ended up with what we have up to the time of the written thread!

And it only has gotten worse because we are at where we are now!! The trying Nationalization of 1/6th of our economy NOW!!!

I saved it at work and got scared that it was on their computer so I dumped it and haven't been able to find it since!

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I have no doubt there are a lot of back room deals that we do not know about. Just look at what is going on with the Democrats trying to pass their POS health-care legislation. One deal after another.
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Thanks, Ken. Yes we are aware of the part that the CEO of Progressive Insurance plays in funding liberal causes in general and the DNC in particular. And FWIW, our family will not do business with Progressive for exactly the reason you stated.

Regarding George Soros...... He is the person funding (both directly and indirectly through various organizations under his control) the bulk of Democrat party political campaigns and their ultra-left wing websites such as 'moveon.org', 'media matters', etc. For all intents and purposes, he now 'owns' the Democrat party and their 'leadership'. He is the man behind the curtain. He holds the DNC purse strings and he calls the shots. It was Soros who determined that Barry Soetoro (AKA "Obama') was more electable than Hillary Clinton because the public knew nothing about him and wouldn't learn who he was and what he was all about until after the '08 elections. You may thank George Soros for 'Obama' and all that he and his radical operatives are attempting to do to our nation.....

http://www.aim.org/special-report/the-h ... cal-power/

http://www.citizinemag.com/politics/pol ... ntrics.htm

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/04/ ... vades.html

I touched on Soros' role in this thread here recently......

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=20576

To begin to fathom the great evil this man and those who do his bidding pose to our nation, one must look to his character and his formative years. As a youth, he was a willing Nazi collaborator in his native Hungary. You take that and follow his history since and it tells you pretty much what you can expect of such a man.

This is the relevant portion of the transcript taken from an interview of George Soros (from the 20 December, 1998 broadcast of 60 Minutes)......
KROFT: (Voiceover) To understand the complexities and contradictions in his personality, you have to go back to the very beginning: to Budapest, where George Soros was born 68 years ago to parents who were wealthy, well-educated and Jewish.

When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros' father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.

(Vintage footage of Jews walking in line; man dragging little boy in line)

KROFT: (Voiceover) These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros' friends and neighbors.

(Vintage footage of women and men with bags over their shoulders walking; crowd by a train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) You're a Hungarian Jew...

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

KROFT: (Voiceover) ...who escaped the Holocaust...

(Vintage footage of women walking by train)

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

(Vintage footage of people getting on train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) ... by -- by posing as a Christian.

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Right.

(Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar)

KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.

KROFT: In what way?

Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and -- and anticipate events and when -- when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a -- a very personal experience of evil.

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that's -- that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not -- not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't -- you don't see the connection. But it was -- it created no -- no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?

Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c -- I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets -- that if I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.
And FYI...... George Soros' son is highly placed within management at Google. Draw your own conclusions regarding the implications there as to partisan data mining and so forth.

Best regards,

Harry

P.S. >>>> Back to the topic of Mike's thread here regarding the ongoing attempt at imposing socialized medicine (government run health care) on the American people against our will......

Given current events, Ronald Reagan's remarks on this very subject are just as relevant today as when he gave this talk 50 years ago......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

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Well, the debate in Congress continues today as Democrats attempt to push through their bill mandating socialized medicine and putting in place the framework of socialism that will be expanded incrementally to destroy not only our present health care system, but ultimately our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms and liberties as a people, our present form of self government and our nation's very sovereignty as well, should they succeed.

I sincerely hope that all here understand what is at stake and have voiced their opinions and concerns to their elected representatives in Washington.

Thought provoking points made in the article linked below. I highly recommend it.

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"Will Congress and the Health Care Bill Turn into Thelma and Louise?"

http://politicalknow.blogspot.com/2010/ ... -turn.html
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The health-care bill passed and its on its way to Obama for signing. We can officially be called the USSA. Move over Venezuela here we come.
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Who wants to join me in my floating trailer park in international waters? :D

Come on, it could be fun, like in the movie waterworld..
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Tempting...... But I'm staying right here and fighting to make things right again. My grandkids and future generations of Americans deserve no less.

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1989TransAm wrote:The health-care bill passed and its on its way to Obama for signing. We can officially be called the USSA. Move over Venezuela here we come.
Not surprising, TransAm. Well...... Now its time to roll up our sleeves and get to work in earnest.......

* There will be legal and constitutional challenges to pursue......

* Time to clean House (and the Senate and the White House, for that matter). We must make sure that every person in government who failed to actively oppose the government takeover of health care is defeated at the polls in the next several elections, Democrat and RINO alike......

* For we must replace them with those who will do the will of the people. And that means repealing, rescinding and reversing every such measure put into place by the socialists who have recently seized power in Washington.

We know what to do. Now its time to get our butts in gear and take our country back from these people. And if the Republicans we replace them with are no better, we'll kick their arses out and keep on truckin' until we once again have a government of, by and for the people. No matter how long it takes!

Best regards to all,

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