A guide to logical fallacies

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A guide to logical fallacies

Post by GRTfast » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:54 pm

This needs to be studied by many of the members in this section of the forum. At this point, you wield your debate skills like a 3 year old wields a shotgun.


https://www.theskepticsguide.org/resour ... -fallacies

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by 1989TransAm » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:25 pm

Wow! Another intellect on the forum. =D> Let me add that everyone knows that I am not one. :wink:

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by GRTfast » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:37 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:25 pm
Wow! Another intellect on the forum. =D> Let me add that everyone knows that I am not one. :wink:
It was really tough to figure out. :mrgreen:

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:20 am

GRTfast wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:37 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:25 pm
Wow! Another intellect on the forum. =D> Let me add that everyone knows that I am not one. :wink:
It was really tough to figure out. :mrgreen:
I know my limitations. :D

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by David Redszus » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:24 am

GRTfast wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:54 pm
This needs to be studied by many of the members in this section of the forum. At this point, you wield your debate skills like a 3 year old wields a shotgun.


https://www.theskepticsguide.org/resour ... -fallacies
That is a very useful link to a piece that should be carefully read by anyone involved in any type of logical discussion.
I have downloaded it and intend to distribute printed copies to each of my employees.

And grand children.

Thank you for posting it.

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by j-c-c » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:44 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:20 am
GRTfast wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:37 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:25 pm
Wow! Another intellect on the forum. =D> Let me add that everyone knows that I am not one. :wink:
It was really tough to figure out. :mrgreen:
I know my limitations. :D
Care to share, and confirm or save the rest of us a lot of time?

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by j-c-c » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:00 am

Memories of HS debate. :D

The first trap I see arising, the opening overview lays out the premise "a" leads to "b", leads to "C", and all must be true/proven to reach the correct stated conclusion. The problem I often see around here is, the getting stuck in the weeds scenario, where we go off on a tangent on grammar, misspelling, the correct color of the protagonist's sweater, etc, and falsely think/spout that mistake/inaccuracy then derails all the given premises.

I am not convinced many here have a sincere desire for gaining greater understanding, more just need to vent and/or find camaraderie with others with the same shared beliefs.

Regardless, is it is a worthy straight forward link. =D>

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by mk e » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:50 am

j-c-c wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:00 am
I am not convinced many here have a sincere desire for gaining greater understanding, more just need to vent and/or find camaraderie with others with the same shared beliefs.
It goes more a long tbis path:

HIGHLY ILLOGICAL
PreviousNext
Two rednecks, Bubba and Cooter, decided that they weren't going anywhere in life and thought they should go to college to get ahead.

Bubba goes in first, and the professor advises him to take math, history and logic.

"What's logic?" asked Bubba.

The professor answered, "Let me give you an example. Do you own a weed-whacker?"

"I sure do," answered the redneck.

"Then I can assume, using logic, that you have a yard," replied the professor.

"That's real good," the redneck responded in awe.

The professor continued, "Logic will also tell me that since you have a yard, you also have a house."

Impressed, the redneck shouted, "AMAZING!"

"And since you own a house, logic dictates that you have a wife."

"Betty Mae! This is incredible!"

"Finally, since you have a wife, logically I can assume that you are heterosexual," said the professor.

"You're absolutely right! Why, that's the most fascinating thing I ever heard of! I can't wait to take this here logic class."

Bubba, proud of the new world opening up to him, walked back into the hallway where Cooter waswaiting.

"So, what classes are ya takin?" he asks.

"Math, history and logic," replies Bubba.

Cooter asks, "What's logic?"

"Let me give you an example. Do ya own a weed-eater?"

"No."

"You're gay, ain't ya?"
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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by GRTfast » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:56 am

j-c-c wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:00 am
Memories of HS debate. :D

The first trap I see arising, the opening overview lays out the premise "a" leads to "b", leads to "C", and all must be true/proven to reach the correct stated conclusion. The problem I often see around here is, the getting stuck in the weeds scenario, where we go off on a tangent on grammar, misspelling, the correct color of the protagonist's sweater, etc, and falsely think/spout that mistake/inaccuracy then derails all the given premises.

I am not convinced many here have a sincere desire for gaining greater understanding, more just need to vent and/or find camaraderie with others with the same shared beliefs.

Regardless, is it is a worthy straight forward link. =D>
It is a great guide. I am often guilty of committing various logical fallacies, but I try to keep them in mind when I am attempting to make a serious argument.

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by GRTfast » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:56 am

mk e wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:50 am
j-c-c wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:00 am
I am not convinced many here have a sincere desire for gaining greater understanding, more just need to vent and/or find camaraderie with others with the same shared beliefs.
It goes more a long tbis path:

HIGHLY ILLOGICAL
PreviousNext
Two rednecks, Bubba and Cooter, decided that they weren't going anywhere in life and thought they should go to college to get ahead.

Bubba goes in first, and the professor advises him to take math, history and logic.

"What's logic?" asked Bubba.

The professor answered, "Let me give you an example. Do you own a weed-whacker?"

"I sure do," answered the redneck.

"Then I can assume, using logic, that you have a yard," replied the professor.

"That's real good," the redneck responded in awe.

The professor continued, "Logic will also tell me that since you have a yard, you also have a house."

Impressed, the redneck shouted, "AMAZING!"

"And since you own a house, logic dictates that you have a wife."

"Betty Mae! This is incredible!"

"Finally, since you have a wife, logically I can assume that you are heterosexual," said the professor.

"You're absolutely right! Why, that's the most fascinating thing I ever heard of! I can't wait to take this here logic class."

Bubba, proud of the new world opening up to him, walked back into the hallway where Cooter waswaiting.

"So, what classes are ya takin?" he asks.

"Math, history and logic," replies Bubba.

Cooter asks, "What's logic?"

"Let me give you an example. Do ya own a weed-eater?"

"No."

"You're gay, ain't ya?"
:lol:

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by j-c-c » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:09 pm

Maybe we should number them for our easier use/reference on Speed talk forums, to speed things up, pun intended. :D

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by exhaustgases » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:19 pm

So funny how the most illogical bunch are talking about logic. Gosh they can't even answer simple questions.

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by GRTfast » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:51 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:19 pm
So funny how the most illogical bunch are talking about logic. Gosh they can't even answer simple questions.
What questions have I not answered?

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Re: A guide to logical fallacies

Post by j-c-c » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:12 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:51 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:19 pm
So funny how the most illogical bunch are talking about logic. Gosh they can't even answer simple questions.
What questions have I not answered?
Baffle him by simply asking him to provide quote(s) to prove his contention.

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