Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by 1989TransAm » Wed May 16, 2018 1:23 pm

The EU is in it for the money. Pure and simple.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by engineczar » Wed May 16, 2018 1:35 pm

mk e wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 8:53 am
engineczar wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 1:31 pm

Good for them. When Iran goes Nuclear ( now sooner rather than later) they'll be the first ones who'll get to experience a Nuclear Winter.
So if we all agree that thanks to Pres Pee Brain breaking the nuke deal, Iran getting a nuke is now sooner rather than later and that is a bad thing, why exactly are you supporting him?
What makes you think that the deal was going make it "later"? Sounds like fools gold to me.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by mk e » Wed May 16, 2018 1:46 pm

engineczar wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 1:35 pm

What makes you think that the deal was going make it "later"? Sounds like fools gold to me.
It says they can't have enriched urainianum or the equipment to make it until at least 2025..... no way to make a nuke without that stuff.

It was far from a perfect deal, but if delaying a nuke in Iran is the goal it accomplished that. Without the deal they can resume their work at any time.

Everybody knew it was necessary but wasn't going to be very popular, which is why the authority for Oblahblah to sign it was pre-authorized and the final vote was to stop it not approved it, so it only needed 41 votes to "pass".
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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by engineczar » Wed May 16, 2018 2:00 pm

mk e wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 1:46 pm
engineczar wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 1:35 pm

What makes you think that the deal was going make it "later"? Sounds like fools gold to me.
It says they can't have enriched urainianum or the equipment to make it until at least 2025..... no way to make a nuke without that stuff.
That's dependent on whether or not you feel that Iran is being a trustworthy player. Personally I don't trust them but then again I'm not being paid to look the other way.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by mk e » Wed May 16, 2018 2:20 pm

engineczar wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 2:00 pm
mk e wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 1:46 pm


It says they can't have enriched urainianum or the equipment to make it until at least 2025..... no way to make a nuke without that stuff.
That's dependent on whether or not you feel that Iran is being a trustworthy player. Personally I don't trust them but then again I'm not being paid to look the other way.
Nope, no need for any trust. The deal includes inspections. Some have been on about they are not surprise inspections but that just means they don't know much about nuclear materials.....you can't hide that this stuff has been on the site, at least not if they was any quantity of it. It's frikin radioactive and contaminates everything around it. ....its no problem verifying the agreement with the term that we're in pmace
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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by 1989TransAm » Wed May 16, 2018 3:21 pm

engineczar wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 2:00 pm
mk e wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 1:46 pm
engineczar wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 1:35 pm

What makes you think that the deal was going make it "later"? Sounds like fools gold to me.
It says they can't have enriched urainianum or the equipment to make it until at least 2025..... no way to make a nuke without that stuff.
That's dependent on whether or not you feel that Iran is being a trustworthy player. Personally I don't trust them but then again I'm not being paid to look the other way.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by mk e » Wed May 16, 2018 3:32 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:21 pm
engineczar wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 2:00 pm

That's dependent on whether or not you feel that Iran is being a trustworthy player. Personally I don't trust them but then again I'm not being paid to look the other way.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nope, the seal invludes inspection, see 1 post up. The stuff you find read is very misleading....verification is in the agreement and it's pretty good.
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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by RevTheory » Wed May 16, 2018 4:31 pm

Wake up, Mark! The inspectors had to give a lengthy notice and weren't allowed on military bases. The deal was a sham from the get-go.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by sanfordandson » Wed May 16, 2018 4:57 pm

RevTheory wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:31 pm
Wake up, Mark! The inspectors had to give a lengthy notice and weren't allowed on military bases. The deal was a sham from the get-go.
Rev would rather see no inspectors...such a shame... [-X

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by 1989TransAm » Wed May 16, 2018 6:19 pm

RevTheory wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:31 pm
Wake up, Mark! The inspectors had to give a lengthy notice and weren't allowed on military bases. The deal was a sham from the get-go.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by 1989TransAm » Wed May 16, 2018 6:20 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:57 pm
RevTheory wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:31 pm
Wake up, Mark! The inspectors had to give a lengthy notice and weren't allowed on military bases. The deal was a sham from the get-go.
Rev would rather see no inspectors...such a shame... [-X
What good are the inspectors if their inspections are severly limited? Use North Korea as a prime example.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by RevTheory » Wed May 16, 2018 6:47 pm

What a troll. Lil' Sandy would rather see a nuclear Iran and NOKO than to see President Trump succeed.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by mk e » Thu May 17, 2018 8:57 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 6:20 pm

What good are the inspectors if their inspections are severly limited? Use North Korea as a prime example.
Nuclear material is very different from most "things". With a thing like a truck, it's either there when you inspect or it isn't. Maybe you drove it away before the inspectors arrive, maybe you buried it, but there is no way to know it was ever there once it's gone.

Nuclear material is not like that. It's radioactive and does not occur naturally , which is a homing beacon that lets inspector find evidence at the molecular level. Research level quantities can be detected months later, production activities can be detected years later and become these materials decay at exact rates they can tell when exactly the stuff was on site.

There was adequate verification in the agreement.

NK did not build anything we didn't know about and only got serious after they broke the deal and kicked out the inspectors, so your example supports the verification and effectiveness of an agreement like the Iran deal.

You are being misled by Rump.
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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu May 17, 2018 12:57 pm

You have been misled by Obama etal. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by mk e » Thu May 17, 2018 1:09 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:57 pm
You have been misled by Obama etal. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No, I worked with some of this stuff years ago, that's how it works.

A good example would be look at the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko in the UK. They used a tiny amount , the stuff was sealed to keep it safe, but it was traced back to the specific airplane seat the assin used coming and going.

You can't hide this kind of stuff.... it's radiowctive add concaminated everything around it.

The deal was far from perfect, but the inspection part was OK. Now there is no deal, so they are free to do as they please.
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