Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

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Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by sanfordandson » Tue May 15, 2018 11:51 am

https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-fm-head ... 47947.html
Iran's foreign minister said Tuesday that efforts to save the nuclear deal after the abrupt US withdrawal were "on the right track" as he began talks with European powers in Brussels.

Mohammad Javad Zarif met EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini ahead of evening talks with his counterparts from Britain, France and Germany -- the three European signatories to the 2015 landmark accord who are scrambling to preserve it.

Tehran has warned it is prepared to resume "industrial-scale" uranium enrichment "without any restrictions" unless Europe can provide solid guarantees that it can maintain the economic benefits it gained from the nuclear agreement despite the United States reimposing sanctions.

Zarif gave an upbeat assessment after a "good and constructive" meeting with Mogherini.

"I believe we're on the right track to move forward in order to ensure that interests of all the JCPOA remaining participants, particularly Iran, will be preserved and guaranteed," he told reporters. The deal's official name is the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA.

Mogherini said it had been a "very productive" meeting but indicated it was the start of a long road.

"We are working on the measures that we can start to put in place and we will look at the content of that," she said.

"One thing is absolutely sure is that the European Union is determined to preserve this deal that is essential to our security and the security of the region."

Zarif's meetings in Brussels cap a whirlwind global tour, including trips to both Russia and China, the two other signatory nations, in a bid to bolster support.

- 'Respect the deal' -

European diplomats have sought to play down expectations of Tuesday's meeting, stressing the enormous challenge of finding a way around US sanctions punishing foreign businesses trading with Iran, which have global reach.

The European Union insists the deal is working, pointing to repeated UN inspections verifying the Islamic republic's compliance with its side of the bargain.

EU leaders aim to show a united front on preserving the Iran deal when they meet for a pre-summit dinner in Sofia on Wednesday, European Council President Donald Tusk said.

"I would like our debate to reconfirm without any doubt that as long as Iran respects the provisions of the deal, the EU will also respect it," Tusk said in a letter to the leaders on the eve of the summit.

Mogherini and European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker will outline to the leaders what measures the bloc could take to shield its now substantial economic interests in Iran, he said.

European firms, especially those from France and Germany, rushed to invest in Iran following the 2015 accord, under which Tehran agreed to freeze its nuclear programme in return for an end to punishing international sanctions.

German exports to Iran totalled nearly 3.0 billion euros in 2017, while French exports soared from 562 million euros in 2015 to 1.5 billion in 2017 and oil giant Total has pledged to invest some $5 billion in the South Pars gas field.
Good to see the EU take over where the US has failed.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by engineczar » Tue May 15, 2018 1:31 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 11:51 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-fm-head ... 47947.html
Iran's foreign minister said Tuesday that efforts to save the nuclear deal after the abrupt US withdrawal were "on the right track" as he began talks with European powers in Brussels.

Mohammad Javad Zarif met EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini ahead of evening talks with his counterparts from Britain, France and Germany -- the three European signatories to the 2015 landmark accord who are scrambling to preserve it.

Tehran has warned it is prepared to resume "industrial-scale" uranium enrichment "without any restrictions" unless Europe can provide solid guarantees that it can maintain the economic benefits it gained from the nuclear agreement despite the United States reimposing sanctions.

Zarif gave an upbeat assessment after a "good and constructive" meeting with Mogherini.

"I believe we're on the right track to move forward in order to ensure that interests of all the JCPOA remaining participants, particularly Iran, will be preserved and guaranteed," he told reporters. The deal's official name is the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA.

Mogherini said it had been a "very productive" meeting but indicated it was the start of a long road.

"We are working on the measures that we can start to put in place and we will look at the content of that," she said.

"One thing is absolutely sure is that the European Union is determined to preserve this deal that is essential to our security and the security of the region."

Zarif's meetings in Brussels cap a whirlwind global tour, including trips to both Russia and China, the two other signatory nations, in a bid to bolster support.

- 'Respect the deal' -

European diplomats have sought to play down expectations of Tuesday's meeting, stressing the enormous challenge of finding a way around US sanctions punishing foreign businesses trading with Iran, which have global reach.

The European Union insists the deal is working, pointing to repeated UN inspections verifying the Islamic republic's compliance with its side of the bargain.

EU leaders aim to show a united front on preserving the Iran deal when they meet for a pre-summit dinner in Sofia on Wednesday, European Council President Donald Tusk said.

"I would like our debate to reconfirm without any doubt that as long as Iran respects the provisions of the deal, the EU will also respect it," Tusk said in a letter to the leaders on the eve of the summit.

Mogherini and European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker will outline to the leaders what measures the bloc could take to shield its now substantial economic interests in Iran, he said.

European firms, especially those from France and Germany, rushed to invest in Iran following the 2015 accord, under which Tehran agreed to freeze its nuclear programme in return for an end to punishing international sanctions.

German exports to Iran totalled nearly 3.0 billion euros in 2017, while French exports soared from 562 million euros in 2015 to 1.5 billion in 2017 and oil giant Total has pledged to invest some $5 billion in the South Pars gas field.
Good to see the EU take over where the US has failed.
Good for them. When Iran goes Nuclear ( now sooner rather than later) they'll be the first ones who'll get to experience a Nuclear Winter.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by Ratu » Tue May 15, 2018 2:10 pm

engineczar

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Anyway, it is European commercial interests that seek continued trade with Iran. It is the USA govt that wants to prevent the free passage of goods and services between Europe and Iran. If any country or territory were to be in Iran's military cross-hairs, it wouldn't be located in continental Europe...

BTW Iran has significant trade with Russia and China in non-US dollar denominated currency instruments. Does anyone seriously believe that this trade will be in any way diminished by USA trade and financial sanctions, 'cause it won't be. If anything it will grow. What this is all doing is pushing Iran closer to Russian and China. In other words, they are getting further towards integrating into the OBOR. For US diplomacy, this is like scoring an own-goal.

Finally. Iran is a regional power of significance. It occupies a key strategic location and its political and economic influence are only going to continue to grow. Rather than attempting to turn the clock back and stop it (which is rather like trying to hold back the tide), it would be better to co-operate. As with North Korea, the military option is not a solution (not unless you seek to murder tens of millions of civilians and wreck most of the West's supply of hydrocarbons for years to come).

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by engineczar » Tue May 15, 2018 2:21 pm

Ratu wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 2:10 pm
engineczar

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Anyway, it is European commercial interests that seek continued trade with Iran. It is the USA govt that wants to prevent the free passage of goods and services between Europe and Iran. If any country or territory were to be in Iran's military cross-hairs, it wouldn't be located in continental Europe...

BTW Iran has significant trade with Russia and China in non-US dollar denominated currency instruments. Does anyone seriously believe that this trade will be in any way diminished by USA trade and financial sanctions, 'cause it won't be. If anything it will grow. What this is all doing is pushing Iran closer to Russian and China. In other words, they are getting further towards integrating into the OBOR. For US diplomacy, this is like scoring an own-goal.

Finally. Iran is a regional power of significance. It occupies a key strategic location and its political and economic influence are only going to continue to grow. Rather than attempting to turn the clock back and stop it (which is rather like trying to hold back the tide), it would be better to co-operate. As with North Korea, the military option is not a solution (not unless you seek to murder tens of millions of civilians and wreck most of the West's supply of hydrocarbons for years to come).
That's the EU's choice then. They obviously don't have a problem with a nuclear Iran. A country that has openly declared it's desire for the destruction of another country as well as being a state sponsor of terrorism. Maybe that's just saber rattling maybe not. I guess so long as the EU gets paid it's ok.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by Ratu » Tue May 15, 2018 2:47 pm

The EU do not believe that Iran is going nuclear. They hold the same position as the UN, the IAEA, NATO intelligence services and US govt intelligence services. That is, Iran has been in compliance with the deal and is not running a nuclear weapons program. All the evidence demonstrates Iran is not a nuclear threat. Hence there is no "nuclear Iran" to "have a problem" with in the first instance.

BTW if anyone is seriously concerned with, "A country that has openly declared it's desire for the destruction of another country as well as being a state sponsor of terrorism." then it would pay to consider carefully........ the USA, its ally Saudi Arabia and so on....

There is plenty of rhetoric and propaganda to go around, but as was written, "By their deeds you shall know them." Watch what people are doing, not what they claim others are doing. Look at the facts first.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue May 15, 2018 3:37 pm

Iran's ultimate goal is to go nuclear. Anyone who things otherwise is foolhardy. Goal number one is to eliminate Israel. Goal number 2 is to defeat the Great Satin.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by Firedome8 » Tue May 15, 2018 3:38 pm

engineczar wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 2:21 pm
Ratu wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 2:10 pm
engineczar

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Anyway, it is European commercial interests that seek continued trade with Iran. It is the USA govt that wants to prevent the free passage of goods and services between Europe and Iran. If any country or territory were to be in Iran's military cross-hairs, it wouldn't be located in continental Europe...

BTW Iran has significant trade with Russia and China in non-US dollar denominated currency instruments. Does anyone seriously believe that this trade will be in any way diminished by USA trade and financial sanctions, 'cause it won't be. If anything it will grow. What this is all doing is pushing Iran closer to Russian and China. In other words, they are getting further towards integrating into the OBOR. For US diplomacy, this is like scoring an own-goal.

Finally. Iran is a regional power of significance. It occupies a key strategic location and its political and economic influence are only going to continue to grow. Rather than attempting to turn the clock back and stop it (which is rather like trying to hold back the tide), it would be better to co-operate. As with North Korea, the military option is not a solution (not unless you seek to murder tens of millions of civilians and wreck most of the West's supply of hydrocarbons for years to come).
That's the EU's choice then. They obviously don't have a problem with a nuclear Iran. A country that has openly declared it's desire for the destruction of another country as well as being a state sponsor of terrorism. Maybe that's just saber rattling maybe not. I guess so long as the EU gets paid it's ok.
How would you characterize our invasion of Iraq ?

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue May 15, 2018 3:41 pm

Firedome8 wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 3:38 pm
engineczar wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 2:21 pm
Ratu wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 2:10 pm
engineczar

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Anyway, it is European commercial interests that seek continued trade with Iran. It is the USA govt that wants to prevent the free passage of goods and services between Europe and Iran. If any country or territory were to be in Iran's military cross-hairs, it wouldn't be located in continental Europe...

BTW Iran has significant trade with Russia and China in non-US dollar denominated currency instruments. Does anyone seriously believe that this trade will be in any way diminished by USA trade and financial sanctions, 'cause it won't be. If anything it will grow. What this is all doing is pushing Iran closer to Russian and China. In other words, they are getting further towards integrating into the OBOR. For US diplomacy, this is like scoring an own-goal.

Finally. Iran is a regional power of significance. It occupies a key strategic location and its political and economic influence are only going to continue to grow. Rather than attempting to turn the clock back and stop it (which is rather like trying to hold back the tide), it would be better to co-operate. As with North Korea, the military option is not a solution (not unless you seek to murder tens of millions of civilians and wreck most of the West's supply of hydrocarbons for years to come).
That's the EU's choice then. They obviously don't have a problem with a nuclear Iran. A country that has openly declared it's desire for the destruction of another country as well as being a state sponsor of terrorism. Maybe that's just saber rattling maybe not. I guess so long as the EU gets paid it's ok.
We were not the only ones who invaded Iraq. It was a coalition. President Bush had the approval of Congress and the United Nations.
How would you characterize our invasion of Iraq ?

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by dirtracr5 » Tue May 15, 2018 4:23 pm

I for one hope Iran and the EU can get a deal done.

If so all that was really list is the United States credibility. That can always be fixed sometime in the future.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue May 15, 2018 4:43 pm

I think it is the EU that has a credibility problem. They are the ones that received bribes from Iran per the recent story to approve the deal.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by sanfordandson » Tue May 15, 2018 10:46 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 4:43 pm
I think it is the EU that has a credibility problem. They are the ones that received bribes from Iran per the recent story to approve the deal.
Trump has the world laughing at us. #-o

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue May 15, 2018 11:03 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 10:46 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 4:43 pm
I think it is the EU that has a credibility problem. They are the ones that received bribes from Iran per the recent story to approve the deal.
Trump has the world laughing at us. #-o
That's OK. We will have the last laugh. :D

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by mk e » Wed May 16, 2018 8:53 am

engineczar wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 1:31 pm

Good for them. When Iran goes Nuclear ( now sooner rather than later) they'll be the first ones who'll get to experience a Nuclear Winter.
So if we all agree that thanks to Pres Pee Brain breaking the nuke deal, Iran getting a nuke is now sooner rather than later and that is a bad thing, why exactly are you supporting him?
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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by RevTheory » Wed May 16, 2018 9:13 am

Trump will have those mullahs on their knees begging for sanction relief, we'll get a deal that actually prevents an arms race and you guys will be proven wrong again.

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Re: Iran upbeat on nuclear deal hopes after EU talks

Post by mk e » Wed May 16, 2018 9:25 am

RevTheory wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 9:13 am
Trump will have those mullahs on their knees begging for sanction relief, we'll get a deal that actually prevents an arms race and you guys will be proven wrong again.
Hopefully, unlikely but hopefully.

The original deal was done because Russian and China were pulling out of the sanctions and have already made it clear they are staying out and Rump is now telling Chinese companies there is no penalty for violating US sacntions....so the best we can do is make everything a little more expensive in Iran while China and Russia take a cut of all Iran's trade.

But I hope you're right.......
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