Opinions on SBC intakes
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Opinions on SBC intakes
Brodix (HV1002), Dart (42421000), Edelbrock (2970)
Of these three which would you lean to. The only part of the combo that is sorted out yet. SBC 440 ci., AFR 245 head, 13.5 to 1 Diamond.
Will have solid roller cam, have not decided on specs yet and will be using nitrous. Holley list 9375.
Of these three which would you lean to. The only part of the combo that is sorted out yet. SBC 440 ci., AFR 245 head, 13.5 to 1 Diamond.
Will have solid roller cam, have not decided on specs yet and will be using nitrous. Holley list 9375.
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In my mind and relating to experiences most successful builds have had, all three are good choices but that is with work. Get the manifold which ever you choose and have it optimized (Ported and clean up) for your high flowing combo as you are probably leaving 25-35 HP on the table if you don't.
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Re: Opinions on SBC intakes
RPM working range and the entire vehicle combination with how it will be used ... might make a differenceKevin Willis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:55 pm Brodix (HV1002), Dart (42421000), Edelbrock (2970)
Of these three which would you lean to. The only part of the combo that is sorted out yet. SBC 440 ci., AFR 245 head, 13.5 to 1 Diamond.
Will have solid roller cam, have not decided on specs yet and will be using nitrous. Holley list 9375.
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Another to consider is a World products Motown. Like all of the above they need work. But, the general shape of the plenum is good. So, they come around pretty quick.
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That would be my choice, ported with a Dominator adapter, 440 inches on nitrous don't favor runner extensions taking up plenum volume, they are good for NA in some cases but few are actually cast for 440 inches.B Original wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:00 pm Holley Keith Dorton series? Intake 300-110.
https://www.holley.com/products/intakes ... ts/300-110
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300-110 OR THE 2970.
Cam around mid 270s/280 .750 lift or more.
Those heads are too small at the gasket btw.
Cam around mid 270s/280 .750 lift or more.
Those heads are too small at the gasket btw.
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One problem with the 2970 is if your running a plate nitrous system you are spraying the top of the clover leaf, this is the intake Billy Glidden got Edelbrock to do for his big ci 18* small blocks with nitrous, it still needs porting but starts at a 3.2 cross section runner, many guys find et buy paying to machine out the clover leaf and most of the extensions on the 2970.
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The problem isn't any of the intakes. It's the size of the engine he is building. I'm my opinion those heads are too small, as well as any off the shelf cast intake. Both need work. Unless you plan on keeping it under 7000rpm and less on sprayGARY C wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:30 pm One problem with the 2970 is if your running a plate nitrous system you are spraying the top of the clover leaf, this is the intake Billy Glidden got Edelbrock to do for his big ci 18* small blocks with nitrous, it still needs porting but starts at a 3.2 cross section runner, many guys find et buy paying to machine out the clover leaf and most of the extensions on the 2970.
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Yeah the 2 I was involved with years ago was 227 cc range crossing the 1/8 mile trap at 6800 5.50 et and the intake still was not sufficient for that.
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Re: Opinions on SBC intakes
if you have enough Camshaft + you want a max-effort 440cid EngineKevin Willis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:55 pm Brodix (HV1002), Dart (42421000), Edelbrock (2970)
Of these three which would you lean to. The only part of the combo that is sorted out yet. SBC 440 ci., AFR 245 head, 13.5 to 1 Diamond.
Will have solid roller cam, have not decided on specs yet and will be using nitrous. Holley list 9375.
then the Edelbrock #2925 + Moroso#65000 2inch adapter spacer .. all maxed out will make great HP
likewise the Edelbrock #2970
those 2 Manifold combos will make more hi RPM HP than either Brodix HV or Dart Manifolds
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Dyno Test# 12 with old Edelbrock #2970 Super Victor
Peak TQ= 578.1 at 6500
Peak HP= 815.8 at 8200
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Dyno Test# 12 with old Edelbrock #2970 Super Victor
Peak TQ= 578.1 at 6500
Peak HP= 815.8 at 8200
October_11_2013 Kirk Dupuis and Chris SBC442.3 4.195x4.000
Dart Pro1 2.125/1.600 maxed out - rough carbide
Chris Dyno Headers 2.000x11.0/2.125x20.0 4.000x13.0 Collector
Starr Vac Pump
Cam Motion solid roller
Jesel 1.80/1.70
13.558:1 CR Q-16 Race Gas
Welded maxed out new Edelbrock Super Victor
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36 btdc .025 Lash across
105 jet sizes from 102 front and rear
.154 from .142 rear only drill sizes
38 from 36 btdc
40 from 38 btdc
retard Cam 2 deg to 116 from 114
.153 from .142 front jets
.160 from .154 in rear only
retard Cam to 118 from 116
201 cranking Psi at 250-253 RPM 16-Volts
put on old Edelbrock 2970 SuperVictor manifold
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Corrected Torque and HorsePower
Range: 6300 RPM - 8300 RPM
EngSpd: 7300 RPM
STPTrq: 553.1 Clb-ft
STPPwr: 766.5 CHp
BSFC : 0.529 lb/hph
Fuel A: 182.8 lb/hr
Fuel B: 185.6 lb/hr
Oil P : 79.5 psig
WtrOut: 127 degF
ManPrs: -16.8 inHg
EngSpd STPTrq STPPwr BSFC Fuel A Fuel B FulA+B Oil P ManPrs WtrOut
RPM Clb-ft CHp lb/hph lb/hr lb/hr lb/hr psig inHg degF
6300 573.3 687.7 0.556 165 185.4 350.4 75.1 -16.7 125
6400 572.7 697.9 0.549 167.3 183.2 350.5 75.2 -16.8 125
6500 578.1 715.5 0.555 166.5 197 363.5 75.3 -16.7 126
6600 576.9 725 0.555 180.8 187.1 367.9 75.7 -16.7 126
6700 573.9 732.2 0.556 191.5 180.5 372 76.1 -16.7 126
6800 574.2 743.4 0.549 185.8 187.2 373 76.8 -16.7 126
6900 566.7 744.5 0.536 181.5 183 364.5 77.3 -16.7 126
7000 571.6 761.9 0.524 181.9 182.1 364 77.9 -16.7 126
7100 564.6 763.3 0.535 187.2 184.9 372.1 78.5 -16.7 126
7200 560.7 768.7 0.539 178.4 199.2 377.6 79.1 -16.8 126
7300 557.4 774.7 0.526 186 185.1 371.1 79.7 -16.8 127
7400 551.8 777.5 0.535 192.2 186 378.2 80.3 -16.8 127
7500 551.1 786.9 0.5 182.1 175.5 357.6 80 -16.7 128
7600 544.1 787.3 0.501 174.5 183.6 358.1 81.2 -16.8 128
7700 543.3 796.5 0.533 190.3 195.3 385.6 81.6 -16.8 128
7800 537.3 797.9 0.517 178.3 196 374.3 82 -16.8 128
7900 536.5 807 0.508 185.7 186.1 371.8 82.4 -16.8 129
8000 527.5 803.4 0.502 191.6 174 365.6 82.9 -16.8 129
8100 527.9 814.1 0.494 181.6 181.9 363.5 83.6 -17.1 129
8200 522.5 815.8 0.514 190.1 187.8 377.9 84.1 -17.3 130
8300 503.8 796.2 0.526 201 176.8 377.8 84.9 -17.3 130
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Re: Opinions on SBC intakes
I think the afr 245 will do ok, I would think if he isn't turning it over 7000 RPM he needs get them to flow 345+ cfm at lift. he can maybe stretch it to 7500 with 355 cfm
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Even a 337 cfm and whatever cam and lift anyone talking about kinda thinking a 1050 carb may be a limiting factor .... also anyone know if these intakes come close to cross section of the head or head flow??
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If he gets them to flow any more it will make less power.B Original wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:29 pmI think the afr 245 will do ok, I would think if he isn't turning it over 7000 RPM he needs get them to flow 345+ cfm at lift. he can maybe stretch it to 7500 with 355 cfm
He needs to slow them down and increase the cross section (gasket area).
How many sets of these heads have you used? Out of curiosity.
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MTENGINES wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:32 pmIf he gets them to flow any more it will make less power.B Original wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:29 pmI think the afr 245 will do ok, I would think if he isn't turning it over 7000 RPM he needs get them to flow 345+ cfm at lift. he can maybe stretch it to 7500 with 355 cfm
He needs to slow them down and increase the cross section (gasket area).
How many sets of these heads have you used? Out of curiosity.
October 11 2013 12:56:33 PM
OCT11012.SFD
Dyno Test# 12 with old Edelbrock #2970 Super Victor
Peak TQ= 578.1 at 6500
Peak HP= 815.8 at 8200<<---- this is with only 322 CFM @ 28" inches
... ... i see someone is catching onIf he gets them to flow any more it will make less power.
355 CFM should make less HP ..at best => no difference in HP
would need to weldup the AFR's Pushrod Pinch area + Offset Rockers + Lifters to make higher RPM HP than 8000-8300 RPM Range
and to effectively use more than 325 CFM
317 to 325 CFM ... is all you need to make 800+ HP at 8000 to 8300 Peak HP RPM Range
that will run low 8.30 to 8.40's second ET's at 162+ MPH in 2450 lbs Berretta
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maxracesoftware wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:42 pmMTENGINES wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:32 pmIf he gets them to flow any more it will make less power.B Original wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:29 pm
I think the afr 245 will do ok, I would think if he isn't turning it over 7000 RPM he needs get them to flow 345+ cfm at lift. he can maybe stretch it to 7500 with 355 cfm
He needs to slow them down and increase the cross section (gasket area).
How many sets of these heads have you used? Out of curiosity.
October 11 2013 12:56:33 PM
OCT11012.SFD
Dyno Test# 12 with old Edelbrock #2970 Super Victor
Peak TQ= 578.1 at 6500
Peak HP= 815.8 at 8200<<---- this is with only 322 CFM @ 28" inches
... ... i see someone is catching onIf he gets them to flow any more it will make less power.
355 CFM should make less HP ..at best => no difference in HP
would need to weldup the AFR's Pushrod Pinch area + Offset Rockers + Lifters to make higher RPM HP than 8000-8300 RPM Range
and to effectively use more than 325 CFM
317 to 325 CFM ... is all you need to make 800+ HP at 8000 to 8300 Peak HP RPM Range
that will run low 8.30 to 8.40's second ET's at 162+ MPH in 2450 lbs Berretta