AFR TITAN SBC Intake manifold

[Yoozer]

WOW!
I didn't intend to cause a stink over this. I just wanted to put in my two bits.
But a response such as yours Tony, is something I could only wish for from a customer service point of view.
Hopefully I don't have to bother you with a return / replacement, but by you simply offering a solution such as this, shows me (and others) the level of pride you, and the rest of the folks, at AFR have in the products you carry.

I'll talk to you soon,
Mike

[mmmitch588]

Hey Tony, give him nothing & let him go through what EVERY good engine builder has to do all the time

[swatson454]

Right on, Tony. That's how it's done

[289nate]

Told you. LOL

You'd be nuts to send them back when a very small amount of time and little effort will clean them up just fine.

[The Engineer]

FYI, I ordered a Titan and was very disappointed with the amount of burs and casting off-sets in the runners. This photo is out-of-the-box!

[JWRE]

"The Engineer", I'm not taking sides in this debate one way or another, but it would be cool if you did a track test to compare the Titan and your old intake. Who knows, maybe Tony will pay for the gaskets.

[The Engineer]

"The Engineer", I'm not taking sides in this debate one way or another, but it would be cool if you did a track test to compare the Titan and your old intake. Who knows, maybe Tony will pay for the gaskets.

The reason I bought the Titan in the first place, was so I could have "out-of-the-box" performance! Specifically, not spend hours of work cleaning-up casting, or molding issues. Additionally, the casting off-sets in the plenum and runners (off-sets and shifts, from the two mold halves) would be almost impossible to correct.

So, now I've got a new cast aluminum intake that has been hand-ported and I'm very happy with it.

Warren

[mmmitch588]

"The Engineer", I'm not taking sides in this debate one way or another, but it would be cool if you did a track test to compare the Titan and your old intake. Who knows, maybe Tony will pay for the gaskets.

The reason I bought the Titan in the first place, was so I could have "out-of-the-box" performance! Specifically, not spend hours of work cleaning-up casting, or molding issues. Additionally, the casting off-sets in the plenum and runners (off-sets and shifts, from the two mold halves) would be almost impossible to correct.

So, now I've got a new cast aluminum intake that has been hand-ported and I'm very happy with it.

Warren

Yeah, so which one made more power, the AFR or the Victor? What ci engine is it going on & what application? The cleanup looks nice, what did it cost you?

[1989TransAm]

"Yeah, so which one made more power, the AFR or the Victor? What ci engine is it going on & what application? The cleanup looks nice, what did it cost you?"

I was wondering the same thing. He paid to have the Victor cleaned up but nothing with the AFR. I would think it would be a piece of cake to clean up the flash on a plastic intake manifold.

[Tony Mamo @ AFR]

"Yeah, so which one made more power, the AFR or the Victor? What ci engine is it going on & what application? The cleanup looks nice, what did it cost you?"

I was wondering the same thing. He paid to have the Victor cleaned up but nothing with the AFR. I would think it would be a piece of cake to clean up the flash on a plastic intake manifold.

Exactly....Im glad I wasn't the one to have to bring that point to light.

Guys....we never made claims that these intakes look like $2000 race prepped manifolds in a composite material.

We could have tooled up an aluminum version of this intake for a third of the cost and a fifth of the time....we just chose to think outside the box and try and provide the community with a more unique product without breaking the bank. Also, had we chose to go down the road more often traveled, the end product in aluminum wouldn't have been as light nor as effective, would have still required porting for a really finished look (like every other alloy as cast piece on the market) and quite frankly wouldn't have looked nearly as cool as this intake does perched on top of a 23' smallblock.

The bottom line is the new AFR composite manifolds out of the box show the improvements on the dyno we have documented (versus standard out of the box aluminum intakes) without any additional hand blending....shape, runner length, taper, and other important issues in manifold design trump surface finish every time. And of course, much like any other airflow related performance product, some additional prep work could potentially improve those gains even further if handled properly. Not to mention the composite material is alot easier to shape and work with than aluminum and the small cosmetic flashing issues are easily addressed if that bothers you. We could do even more CNC and hand deburring at AFR but that would drive up costs for virtually no performance gain and we tried to price these as aggressively as we could considering all the tooling and R&D costs involved to build and design this very unique product.

In the case of Yoozer, his intake should have been better deburred at the factory (we do spend some time CNC porting, machining the carb pad, and deburring every piece) and thats the reason I stepped in this thread and offered to help him out. We also spoke with "The Engineer" who posted the enlarged high def pic of the plenum above, and we were going to try and help him out as well (he had a couple of conversations with one of our Sales Techs) but he opted to return the intake to the large warehouse he purchased it from instead so we never had the opportunity.

Thanks,
Tony

[Fatman]

FYI, I ordered a Titan and was very disappointed with the amount of burs and casting off-sets in the runners. This photo is out-of-the-box!

Hi Tony,

In this plenum pic, it looks like the casting (molding?) process has left sharp edges along about 1/2 the dividers length. Not just the circled area. Is this the case or am i mistaken?

Most builders would regard this as quite a critical area on a high performance intake.

[greywolf]

[quote="ItalianJohnny

It would be nice if someone (AFR) could/would build their intake and incorporate the bottom valley plate into the top portion. It doesn't look to difficult, and again to do a cam change, or lifter maintenence you would not need to touch the coolant system or distributor!!! and not necessarily end up with a 3 piece intake, but either way it could be done!

[rookie]

Can you do a cam change with out removing the distributor?
You can always use these lifters and not have to remove the intake.
http://www.google.com/search?q=spring+l ... 00&bih=835

[MadBill]

Or 16 magnets...

[greywolf]

ya, for a cam change you would need to lift the distributor,
seems like on solid roller race motors that the valve train including lifters can be high maintenance, if so, it would make a lifter(s) replacement easier..