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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby dfree383 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:32 am

Matt Gruber wrote:tom
i agree, except it was not race based, that would be illegal.
the US congress has had more ideas to inflate house ownership than any other country in the world. Early plans, decades ago were very successful. But they eventually went too far,
the congress passed a LAW that REQUIRED banks to make no money down loans in bad neighborhoods.
no wonder things collapsed
but that plan was just the final nail in the coffin.
the numerous previous schemes were plenty bad enough.


The root problem is they want something for nothing.... bunch of laze POS's.... And they are looking for somebody to blame for there own irresponsibility and failure......... Hint If you can't afford it..... Don't buy it and if your not willing to work your ass of for it..... you don't deserve it.
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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby Matt Gruber » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:03 pm

if u want protests, just try to take away some of the crazy deals US homeowners get.
1. no more tax free income! sell your house and pay tax on the profits.
2. no more mortgage interest deductions! why do u need welfare?
3. No more itemized deductions! So u paid a hefty property tax. Too bad. No more welfare for homeowners.
Buck up and pay your fair share!
Don't PM me! it is dfree's idea! :lol: if you are not willing to work for it, u dont deserve a house.
If u are not upset losing the first 3, this should get u out there with a picket sign:
4. No more exemption from state sales tax! That was just more welfare for homeowners :lol:
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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby af2 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:45 pm

Matt Gruber wrote:if u want protests, just try to take away some of the crazy deals US homeowners get.
1. no more tax free income! sell your house and pay tax on the profits.
2. no more mortgage interest deductions! why do u need welfare?
3. No more itemized deductions! So u paid a hefty property tax. Too bad. No more welfare for homeowners.
Buck up and pay your fair share!
Don't PM me! it is dfree's idea! :lol: if you are not willing to work for it, u dont deserve a house.
If u are not upset losing the first 3, this should get u out there with a picket sign:
4. No more exemption from state sales tax! That was just more welfare for homeowners :lol:


Lets start with #1

#1 Sell your house at a loss and get compensation for the loss.
#2 Just rent like many do and have no land lord because of #1
#3 Just work for the big companies and have no income because they can't write it off.
#4 Don't have clue were that came from. I have no exemption as a business owner and a home owner.
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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby Kenova » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:09 pm

Up here in Canuckistan mortgage interest is not tax deductible, but you don't pay a capital gains tax on any profit you may make on your principle residence. This makes for a very good incentive to pay the mortgage off early.

Property tax is deductible on a sliding scale. The more you earn, the less you can deduct. Same deal for rent.

Does that help ? :lol:

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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby Matt Gruber » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:50 am

af2
1. you hit the nail on the head! sell at at loss and get a tax credit. this would be far better than the ill-fated stimulus plan(s). The gov gets capital gains in good times and gives credits in bad times.
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so in CA u have to pay a sales tax on house sales? Now i know why CA ranks 51st, behind DC, as a place to do business. What percent?
Philadelphia has a sales tax, was around 5%.
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yes, that helps. I've read canada has no mortgage interest deduction and the banks avoided the crisis by not making stupid no money down loans.
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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby Kenova » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:56 am

Matt Gruber wrote:
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yes, that helps. I've read canada has no mortgage interest deduction and the banks avoided the crisis by not making stupid no money down loans.


The requirements and rules for acquiring a mortgage are a little tighter too.
Minimum 10% down payment.
The banks make damn sure you can afford the monthly payments.
I think the maximum mortgage term is now 30 yrs.
For those that like to take out equity loans on their homes, the most they can borrow is 75% ( maybe 80%) of the value of their home.

The rules make it harder to buy a home. I have three kids, the youngest is 28, and only the oldest has been able to buy a home, but on the up-side very few loose their homes to foreclosure.
Home prices up here continue to climb faster than wages so something is bound to happen to the real estate market sooner or later. Hopefully the correction will not be as severe as in the US.
It's not a perfect system, but it seems to be working for us.

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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby enigma57 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:53 am

ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents, After Exposed as Players Behind Occupy Wall Street Protests

By Jana Winter
Published November 03, 2011

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Nov. 1, 2011: Jonathan Westin, organizing director, New York Communities for Change, attends a protest in New York City

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03/ac ... r-exposed/

Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York -- operating as New York Communities for Change -- have fired staff, shredded reams of documents and told workers to blame disgruntled ex-employees for leaking information in an effort to explain away a FoxNews.com report last week on the group’s involvement in Occupy Wall Street protests, according to sources.

NYCC also is installing surveillance cameras and recording devices at its Brooklyn offices, removing or packing away supplies bearing the name ACORN and handing out photos of Fox News staff with a stern warning not to talk to the media, the sources said.

“They’re doing serious damage control right now,” said an NYCC source.

NYCC Executive Director Jon Kest has been calling a series of emergency meetings to discuss last week’s report—and taking extreme measures to identify the sources in their office and to prevent further damage, a source within NYCC told FoxNews.com.

Two staffers were fired after NYCC officials suspected them as the source of the leaks, a source told FoxNews.com. “One was fired the day the story came out, the other was fired on Friday. (NYCC senior staff) told everyone that they were fired because they talked to you,” a source said.

NYCC spokesman Scott Levenson denied that anyone was fired for talking to the press.

FoxNews.com’s report identified NYCC as a key organizing force behind the Occupy Wall Street protests. Sources within the group also told FoxNews.com NYCC was hiring people to carry signs and join the protests. NYCC -- a nonprofit organization run almost entirely by former ACORN officials and employees --did not reply for comment prior to the publication of the initial article, but later posted a statement on its website dismissing the article and denying that it pays protesters.

A source said that immediately following publication of the FoxNews.com report staff were called into the Brooklyn office for meetings headed by NYCC’s organizing director, Jonathan Westin. Westin handed out copies of the article and went through it line-by-line, the source said.

Staffers were also given copies of photos of Senior Fox News Correspondent Eric Shawn and three other Fox News staff members, including this reporter.

“They reminded us that we can get fired, sued, arrested for talking to the press,” the source said. “Then they went through the article point-by-point and said that the allegation that we pay people to protest isn’t true.”

“‘That’s the story that we’re sticking to,’” Westin said, according to the source.

The source said staffers at the meeting contested Westin’s denial:

“It was pretty funny. Jonathan told staff they don’t pay for protesters, but the people in the meeting who work there objected and said, ‘Wait, you pay us to go to the protests every day?’ Then Jonathan said ‘No, but that’s your job,’ and staffers were like, ‘Yeah, our job is to protest,’ and Westin said, ‘No your job is to fight for economic and social justice. We just send you to protest.’

“Staff said, ‘Yes, you pay us to carry signs.’ Then Jonathan says, ‘That’s your job.’ It went on like that back and forth for a while.”

During the meetings, NYCC Deputy Director Greg Basta provided Westin with the copied photos of Fox News reporters to hand out to staff members, the source said. Basta told staffers they might be asked about the article when out in communities working on campaigns or when calling people by phone, the source said.

“They told us if people bring up the article, we’re supposed to say the source and all the stuff in there came from a disgruntled ex-employee who’s not working with us anymore.”

NYCC is also monitoring its staff’s behavior, cracking down on phone use and socialization. Officials have ordered all papers -- even scraps -- to be shredded every night, the source said.

“And all the supplies—everything around the office that said ‘ACORN’ -- is now all in storage until this blows over,” the source said. “People literally have to cover up the cameras on the back of their cellphones in the office.”

“Now there’s no texting in the office, no phone calls in the office. They tell us to take our phone calls out into the waiting room where there’s an intercom, and then they turn on the intercom to hear our conversations. They’re installing new cameras and speakers around the building so they can hear everything.

“It’s almost like working at Fort Knox.”

NYCC officials declined repeated requests to respond to specific questions about the organization’s response to last week’s story. The group on Wednesday instead sent this statement, attributed to NYCC board member Jean Sassine:

"New York Communities for Change participates in protests, direct action, social activism and campaigns that promote social and economic justice. We see FOX as the enemy to those efforts. For the record, this is consistent with Fox attacks on Van Jones, Shirley Sherrod, George Soros, Citizen Action, Planned Parenthood and all those who stand for social justice. Once again, FOX entertainment poses as FOX News. Once again, FOX makes a series of false, unsubstantiated claims and accusations which have no basis in fact. Once again, through a series of sources FOX structures a story which is nothing but a series of lies."

Westin did respond to some questions a day earlier, when approached by FoxNews.com at an NYCC event in Manhattan.

When asked if a staff member was fired because people thought he’d talked to the press, Westin said, “I have no idea.” When asked about handing out photos of Fox News employees, he said, “I have been? No, I don’t think I have been. That wasn’t me.”

Westin did acknowledge NYCC staff have met to discuss last week’s report. “People talked about it,” he said. “People are interested.”

He also deflected a question about the allegation that staffers were being told to blame the report on disgruntled staffers, telling this reporter to contact him later via email.

Responding to reports of pushback from staffers who said they were being paid to go to the protests, and reports NYCC had recently hired people as canvassers or organizers and then sent them to the protests, Westin replied repeatedly “We don’t pay people to protest.”

Westin later did not reply to two emails asking for follow-up.

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EXCLUSIVE: ACORN Playing Behind Scenes Role in 'Occupy' Movement

By Jana Winter
Published October 26, 2011

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/ex ... -movement/

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The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group, is playing a key role in the self-proclaimed “leaderless” Occupy Wall Street movement, organizing “guerrilla” protest events and hiring door-to-door canvassers to collect money under the banner of various causes while spending it on protest-related activities, sources tell FoxNews.com.

The former director of New York ACORN, Jon Kest, and his top aides are now busy working at protest events for New York Communities for Change (NYCC). That organization was created in late 2009 when some ACORN offices disbanded and reorganized under new names after undercover video exposes prompted Congress to cut off federal funds.

NYCC’s connection to ACORN isn’t a tenuous one: It works from the former ACORN offices in Brooklyn, uses old ACORN office stationery, employs much of the old ACORN staff and, according to several sources, engages in some of the old organization’s controversial techniques to raise money, interest and awareness for the protests.

Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.

At least some of those hired are being used as door-to-door canvassers to collect money that’s used to support the protests.

Sources said cash donations collected by NYCC on behalf of some unions and various causes are being pooled and spent on Occupy Wall Street. The money is used to buy supplies, pay staff and cover travel expenses for the ex-ACORN members brought to New York for the protests.

In one such case, sources said, NYCC staff members collected cash donations for what they were told was a United Federation of Teachers fundraising drive, but the money was diverted to the protests.

Sources who participated in the teachers union campaign said NYCC supervisors gave them the addresses of union members and told them to go knock on their doors and ask for contributions—and did not mention that the money would go toward Occupy Wall Street expenses. One source said the campaign raked in about $5,000.

Current staff members at NYCC told FoxNews.com the union fundraising drive was called off abruptly last week, and they were told NYCC should not have been raising money for the union at all.

Sources said staff members also collected door-to-door for NYCC’s PCB campaign — which aims to test schools for deadly toxins —but then pooled that money together with cash raised for the teachers union and other campaigns to fund Occupy Wall Street.

“We go to Freeport, Central Islip, Park Slope, everywhere, and we say we’re collecting money for PCBs testing in schools. But the money isn’t going to the campaign," one source said.

"It’s going to Occupy Wall Street, and we’re not using that money to get schools tested for deadly chemicals or to make their kids safer. It’s just going to the protests, and that’s just so terrible.”

A spokesman for the United Federation of Teachers told FoxNews.com, "The UFT is not involved in any NYCC fundraising on the PCB issue.”

Multiple sources said NYCC is also using cash donations through canvassing efforts in New York’s Harlem and Washington Heights neighborhoods for union-backed campaigns to fund the Wall Street protests.

“All the money collected from canvasses is pooled together back at the office, and everything we’ve been working on for the last year is going to the protests, against big banks and to pay people’s salaries—and those people on salary are, of course, being paid to go to the protests every day,” one NYCC staff member told FoxNews.com.

Those who contribute don't know the money is going to fund the protests, the source said.

“They give contributions because we say if they do we can fix things - whatever specific problem they’re having in their area, housing, schools, whatever ... then we spend the contributions paying staff to be at the protests all day, every day. That’s where these contributions - the community’s money – is going,” the source said.

“They’re doing the same stuff now that got ACORN in trouble to begin with. And yes, we’re still ACORN, there is a still a national ACORN.”

Another source, who said she was hired from a homeless shelter, said she was first sent to the protests before being deployed to Central Islip, Long Island, to canvass for a campaign against home foreclosures.

“I went to the protests every day for two weeks and made $10 an hour. They made me carry NYCC signs and big orange banners that say NYCC in white letters. About 50 others were hired around my time to go to the protests. We went to protests in and around Zuccotti Park, then to the big Times Square protest,” she said.

“But now they have me canvassing on Long Island for money, so I get the money and then the money is being used for Occupy Wall Street—to pay for all of it, for supplies, food, transportation, salaries, for everything ... all that money is going to pay for the protests downtown and that’s just messed up. It’s just wrong.”

Neither Kest, NYCC executive director, nor his communications director returned repeated email and telephone requests for comment, nor did his communications director. A Fox News producer who visited the Brooklyn office on Tuesday was told, "The best people to speak to who are involved with Occupy Wall Street aren't available."

But the organization responded to this story late Wednesday, alerting a FoxNews.com reporter by Twitter message to a statement posted on its website that called the story a "smear campaign."

"Fox News is trying to discredit Occupy Wall Street. New York Communities for Change is a new organization that fights for low- and moderate-income families," the agency said in the online statement, credited to board member Linnette Ebanks. "We don't pay protesters and any monies raised by NYCC's canvass are used in support of our ongoing issue campaigns. Period."

The statement also argued that Occupy Wall Street is "an organic movement" that has the support of most Americans.

NYCC Deputy Director Greg Basta subsequently declined an invitation for an on-the-record interview with Kest to discuss FoxNews.com's reporting of the story.

In a phone interview on Tuesday, Harrison Schultz, an Occupy Wall Street spokesman, said he knew nothing about NYCC’s involvement in the Occupy movement.

“Haven’t seen them, couldn’t tell you,” he said.

He said he couldn’t comment on the Occupy the Boardroom website’s relationship to the movement and to NYCC.

“It’s a horizontal organization, a leaderless organization, it’s difficult to explain it,” Schultz said, “difficult to explain it to people who haven’t worked in this, who haven’t been part of it.”

Kest publicly threw his organization’s support behind the movement in a Sept. 30 opinion piece on HuffingtonPost.com. But top ex-ACORN staff members and current NYCC officials have been planning events like the Occupy Wall Street protests since February, a source within the group told FoxNews.com.

That’s when planning began for May 12 protests against Chase bank foreclosures, which were followed by the formation of the Beyond May 12 campaign, targeting Wall Street and big banks. That campaign was rolled out by a coalition of community groups and unions and led by the revamped former ACORN group.

“What people don’t understand is that ACORN is behind this — and that this, what’s happening now, is all part of the May 12 and Beyond May 12 plans to go after the banks, Chase in particular,” a source said.

Sources said NYCC was a key player behind a series of recent Occupy Wall Street events, including the Oct. 11 Millionaires March, which brought protests and union and community groups on walking tours of Upper East Side homes of wealthy New Yorkers; and the launch of the “Occupy the Boardroom” website, registered to Kest, which encouraged protesters to contact high-profile bankers, among others.
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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby dfree383 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:04 am

Imagine that.... Thanks for Posting Harry.
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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby enigma57 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:23 am

:wink: You are quite welcome, dfree383! FWIW...... In the planning stages of the 'Occupy Wall Street' and 'Occupy (fill in the blank here)' mob scenes, SEIU was (and remains) heavily involved in staging these 'protests', as well.....

SEIU Organizer Stephen Lerner: We Need to Create a Crisis for the "Super Rich" by "Escalating Activity" and "Direct Action"

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Tuesday, September 20, 2011

Open the link below and click on the video of Lerner to hear this in his own words (this video has since been scrubbed by the many Soros controlled media outlets and was unearthed by 'the Blaze')......

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SEIU union organizer Stephen Lerner spoke to a crowd of progressives in Minnesota and said they must "create a crisis for the super rich."

According to Lerner, this can be accomplished with 3 main steps. The first is to "focus on corporate power." Secondly, they must have a "commitment to escalating activity that creates a crisis for the other side." Finally, 'Non-violent' disobedience and direct action" is needed.

In the past, Lerner has stated his aspirations to destroy JP Morgan Chase and cause the collapse of the entire stock market and is reportedly one of the people behind the 'US Day of Rage: Occupy Wall Street' which occurred on September 17, 2011.

Stephen Lerner also was responsible for SEIU's "Justice for Janitors" campaign in the 1980's with a goal of organizing large scale property owners who exercise control over hundreds, if not billions, of dollars embedded into commercial real estate.

According to Canada Free Press:

"These property owners typically hire building managers who out-source the work of office-cleaning to subcontractors who hire non-union cleaning crews. SEIU’s aim was to shame and harass the building’s owner by organizing noisy and disruptive strikes and protests against the subcontractor and demanding “justice for janitors.” Lerner and his staff learned how to coordinate their outcries, involve church and civic leaders in their protests, and denounce the owner as a wealthy absentee landlord profiting from the manual labor of the poor. Cleaning crews were trained in protest tactics to disrupt pedestrian and vehicular traffic, interfere with the building’s tenants and foment other nuisance-generating actions.

The Justice for Janitors campaign helped SEIU leaders show how to coordinate the union’s tactics so that they had a social and political dimension far greater than a mere dispute over custodians’ wages. What came to be called a “corporate campaign” gave the union leverage over the major owners of capital. Rather than rely on any single labor action, a corporate campaign could produce multiple benefits. The trick was to learn how to shake up the downtowns of major American cities, frighten commuters, worry the mayor, and produce editorials in the newspapers urging the property owner to demonstrate “social responsibility.”

The White House visitor log shows that "Stephen Lerner" has visited the Obama White House four times.
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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby Matt Gruber » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:24 am

everybody has their own spin. on european TV they just said it is an "anti-capitalism protest" :lol: what do u expect from a bunch of socialists?

it is like a traffic jam. u can find all sorts of people in public.
if u disagree, get a sign and join in with your view. bring like minded people if u like.
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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby Engguy » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:00 pm

Are they protesting the comming big insurance company profits from Obama care? If not its just instigated hokeum, if it doesn't make Obama look bad then you know who is causing it. Pretty simple.
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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby dfree383 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:58 pm

Matt Gruber wrote:everybody has their own spin. on european TV they just said it is an "anti-capitalism protest" :lol: what do u expect from a bunch of socialists?

it is like a traffic jam. u can find all sorts of people in public.
if u disagree, get a sign and join in with your view. bring like minded people if u like.


I always like how the TV news get the right camera angles to make the protest look massive..... But when your actually at them, its a few hundred people..... absolute BS the way they want to spin things, trying to make the actions of a very, very small minority represent 99%........ :^o :^o :^o
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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby enigma57 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:44 am

:wink: Kinda like some of the old Westerns where the Indians are riding in a circle around the wagon train and it looks as if there are a great many...... Until you begin to see the same ones get shot off their horses over and over again.

I heard one of the 'protestors' being interviewed live on camera the other day. When asked why he was protesting, he said he was protesting 'for the right to print more money'! I nearly fell outta my chair. The Obama administration should have their surrogates (ACORN and SEIU) coach these people better in what to say. That was...... Well...... Embarrassing.

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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby machine shop tom » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:30 pm

I'm on the SEIU's email list. I was asked to join the movement some time ago. Instead, I sent them links to videos showing SEIU thugs beating up TEA party members.

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Re: Vent your OWS perspectives

Postby af2 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:35 pm

machine shop tom wrote:I'm on the SEIU's email list. I was asked to join the movement some time ago. Instead, I sent them links to videos showing SEIU thugs beating up TEA party members.

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