OK, let's solve the health care issue.

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Re: OK, let's solve the health care issue.

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1989TransAm wrote:"The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Harry, that is correct. I believe people such as Stan that support the bill have good intentions. I also believe that the hierarchy of the Democrat party and others are using the health-care bill as a power play and expand the reaches of the government. Health-care represents one sixth of our economy and that is one big slush fund to play with. Can you say single payer? Can you say unionizing? That is the road paved to hell.

:wink: That's pretty much the way I see it as well, TransAm...... With the exception of unions. All unions are not carbon copies of the SEIU and their thugs who have engaged in all manner of intimidation on Obama's behalf and mimic Hitler's SA brownshirts more often than not. I worked for many years as a union pipefitter and plumber on heavy construction jobs and am retired now. Don't group all union people into one stereotype...... I can tell you for a fact that our union and its members are nothing like that.

We worked hard for what we got. There was no featherbedding and no 'job security'. You performed and did your job or you went back to the hiring hall at the end of the line. It wasn't a walk in the park by any means. For every high rise building you see on the Houston skyline, an average of 5 to 7 men died over 18 months or so putting them up (some jobs more, some jobs less). Most folks see 'progress' when they drive into town. But for me, the silhouette of each tall building resembles a tombstone.

Unions exist only where there is a long term situation where workers have legitimate grievances that management refuses to address in good faith and there are workers willing to risk their livelihood and their families' security to join together and get management to address those issues. Except for such situations, there is no reason to consider forming a union. In workplaces where workers are treated fairly, paid a fair wage for their labour and have reasonably safe working conditions...... They are better off without unions.

And no, I don't get any health care insurance as a part of my retirement package, 'Cadillac' or otherwise. My wife and I haven't had health care insurance since 2003. Its all out of pocket. That is because the place I worked at the time (the Engineering Dept. of a municipality) had such sorry and high priced insurance that we opted out. Later, they came up with an equally sorry HSA plan, which we opted out of as well. And no, I wouldn't support 'Obamacare', even if I got it free. I care too much about my country and the future of my kids, my grandkids and future generations of Americans to sell them out as has the present 'administration'.

How can we 'fix' health care? Simple. Treat it like a race car. If we make changes to a race car to address progressively changing track conditions at different venues and down the line, it runs slower, what do we do? We retrace our steps back to the point where it was running best before we began tweaking things and go from there.

Same with health care. When did our health care system last work for us rather than against us? That's easy to answer...... Before so-called 'managed health care'...... At which point, the insurance companies began calling the shots and inserting themselves between doctor and patient, between hospital and patient, etc. Go back to the system we had priour to 'managed health care' and tweak only those few things that can actually be improved upon...... Rather than allowing government to take over health care and destroy the best health care system in the world as a pretext to institute socialism in this country.

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This time Harry, you've got it absolutely right.

While working in the shop I often listen to a classical (or jazz) music radio station. I heard something that stopped me in my tracks (and the lathe as well). It was a commercial for Turkish Airlines, offering special discounts on airfares for those folks who would consider flying to Turkey to obtain major medical procedures such as surgery (at a 70 to 90% discount).

If this concept catches on, it would be quite possible for health care providers to set up medical shop outside of the US. Just a short plane ride away and you can combine it with a vacation, all of which is fully tax deductible.

Who would want crummy medical care in a third world country? Well consider that hundreds of thousand of doctors and nurses were trained at US medical schools but now choose to practice medicine elsewhere. Many countries now have access to medicines that are not yet approved in the US. China is building more MRI units per week than the US is building per year. The fact is that US health care is no longer the solitary standard of the world.

Thank you Rocky O'Bama. May the farce be with you. Our first and last black president.
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David Redszus wrote:This time Harry, you've got it absolutely right.

While working in the shop I often listen to a classical (or jazz) music radio station. I heard something that stopped me in my tracks (and the lathe as well). It was a commercial for Turkish Airlines, offering special discounts on airfares for those folks who would consider flying to Turkey to obtain major medical procedures such as surgery (at a 70 to 90% discount).

If this concept catches on, it would be quite possible for health care providers to set up medical shop outside of the US. Just a short plane ride away and you can combine it with a vacation, all of which is fully tax deductible.

Who would want crummy medical care in a third world country? Well consider that hundreds of thousand of doctors and nurses were trained at US medical schools but now choose to practice medicine elsewhere. Many countries now have access to medicines that are not yet approved in the US. China is building more MRI units per week than the US is building per year. The fact is that US health care is no longer the solitary standard of the world.

Thank you Rocky O'Bama. May the farce be with you. Our first and last black president.
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"it would be quite possible for health care providers to set up medical shop outside of the US."

That is exactly what some health-care companies are thinking. One I heard of is going to set up business in Costa Rica and include air fare. I don't think there will be a shortage of doctors and other health-care people moving down there. I would not want to be a doctor in this country with what is coming down the pike.
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1989TransAm wrote:"it would be quite possible for health care providers to set up medical shop outside of the US."

That is exactly what some health-care companies are thinking. One I heard of is going to set up business in Costa Rica and include air fare. I don't think there will be a shortage of doctors and other health-care people moving down there. I would not want to be a doctor in this country with what is coming down the pike.
Darn it!!!! Now Obama's really pizzed me off.
With all the problems going on in Mexico, I switched my retirement plans from Baja to Costa Rica.
Now all them darn Doctors are going to drive the prices up. :evil:
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David, many excellent points have been made by all who have posted on this rather lengthy thread. I am not sure which point(s) I made that you are in agreement with, but its good to see that folks of differing worldviews agree that we will all be shafted (higher taxes and health care costs, lost personal liberties and freedoms, increased government intrusion and control over our personal lives, poorer quality rationed government run health care, etc.), should the current administration's so-called 'health care reform' initiative (the framework upon which socialism will be forced on us in every aspect of our lives) ever be fully implemented.

Regarding Mr. Soetoro (AKA 'Obama')...... I am glad to see that he and his cohorts have now so overreached that there will be quite a few legal and constitutional challenges to what they have done thus far. And I am hopeful that this will open the door for the 2 dozen or so pending lawsuits regarding his eligibility to hold the office he now occupies to be heard as well. I believe he hopes to quash or stall any court proceedings in this regard until he can appoint enough liberal Supreme Court justices to ensure they go nowhere on appeal. It will be interesting to see if any of these legal challenges are given a fair hearing before his first (and hopefully last) term is done.

I did a thorough investigation of the man and his background priour to the '08 election. I knew his radical associations, where he was born (it wasn't Kenya as some think), his legal name, his citizenship status, etc. before he was ever sworn in (twice) under an assumed name. Over the past year, I have found nothing to change my mind. Only lots of sources formerly available which have since been 'scrubbed', people who have been harassed and threatened by his operatives and his misuse of the full force of the office of the presidency to quash and / or delay legal hearings on the matter of his citizenship status and eligibility to hold the office he now occupies.

From a practical standpoint, impeachment is off the table until the House of Representatives and the Senate are no longer under Democrat majority control. But once that is no longer the case, this may be an option...... Assuming that the Republicans grow a pair...... And assuming Soros doesn't beat them to it and cut his losses (give the Clinton machine the go ahead to take 'Obama' down or out).

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Don't worry. It's all been solved now.

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A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very interesting statistics from a survey by
the United Nations International Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent health":
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%

I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare" comparable to England or Canada .

Moreover, it was Sen. Harry Reid who said, "Elderly Americans must learn to accept the inconveniences
of old age." He is "elderly" himself but be sure to remember his health insurance is different from yours as Congress has their own high-end coverage! He will never have to learn to accept "inconveniences"!!!


AND THE WINNER IS VERY INTERESTING!
The percentage of each past president's cabinet members who had worked in the private business sector prior to their
appointment to the cabinet. You know what the private business sector is... A real life business, not a government job.
Here are the percentages.
T. Roosevelt........ 38%
Taft....................... 40%
Wilson ................. 52%
Harding..................49%
Coolidge............... 48%
Hoover ................. 42%
F. Roosevelt......... 50%
Truman..................50%
Eisenhower.......... 57%
Kennedy.............. 30%
Johnson...............47%
Nixon................... 53%
Ford..................... 42%
Carter.................. 32%
Reagan................56%
GH Bush............. 51%
Clinton ............... 39%
GW Bush............ 55%
And the winner of the Chicken Dinner is:
Obama............... 8% !!!
Yep! That's right! Only Eight Percent!!!..the least by far of the last 19 presidents!! And these people are trying to tell
our big corporations how to run their business?

How can the president of a major nation and society...the one with the most successful economic system in world history... Stand and talk about business when he's never worked for one?... Or about jobs when he has never really had one?
And neither has 92% of his senior staff and closest advisers! They've spent most of their time in academia, government and/or non-profit jobs...or as "community organizers" when they should have been in an employment line.
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Well said! David, we are most certainly in agreement regarding the points you made here.

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