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Any smart meter stories

Post by exhaustgases » Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:58 am

Being the fire hazards that they are.

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Re: Any smart meter stories

Post by Truckedup » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:55 am

Explain the hazard please...
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Re: Any smart meter stories

Post by exhaustgases » Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:20 am

From an attorney for this state anyway.
Smart meters fail to comply with the National Fire Protection Association NFPA Rule 70, with National Electrical Code NEC Section 240.4, and with National Electrical Safety Code (NESC) Sections 92D and 215B.

They have a high current switch that is of course held in plastic, contacts can get corroded and heat up melting the plastic. Just do a youtube search of smart meter fires and you will see. Or just look for news stories about them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV_cHlxKoIE Please listen to the man about the plastic in the meters.

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Re: Any smart meter stories

Post by Truckedup » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:39 am

I was an electrician and contractor,but I have been retired for a few years...The News article is vague... Plastic? what type? The breaker panel in your house has "plastic" breakers...How much current is high current? What is the purpose of the high current switch? .. Over the years,I was commercial/industrial/institutional, I have seen electrical fires, have testified as an expert...99 percent of fires are faulty wires or devices as mentioned in the news article...A dozen failures out of hundreds of thousands is very very slight...Of course if it's your home statistics don't matter...
To get an accurate idea of the risk factor they need to show fire/failure rates of the old analog meter vs the smart meter...
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Re: Any smart meter stories

Post by exhaustgases » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:13 pm

Truckedup wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:39 am
I was an electrician and contractor,but I have been retired for a few years...The News article is vague... Plastic? what type? The breaker panel in your house has "plastic" breakers...How much current is high current? What is the purpose of the high current switch? .. Over the years,I was commercial/industrial/institutional, I have seen electrical fires, have testified as an expert...99 percent of fires are faulty wires or devices as mentioned in the news article...A dozen failures out of hundreds of thousands is very very slight...Of course if it's your home statistics don't matter...
To get an accurate idea of the risk factor they need to show fire/failure rates of the old analog meter vs the smart meter...
Just go online and research it. There are many smart meter fires shown happening on youtube in Ca. They are either made in china or mexico so, that may help determining the quality control of not just the meter but also the materials it is made from. I can see it now. In the language of the country....
Hey boss we are out of that special plastic what do we do, it will take a week to get it and production will stop, the toy factory around the corner has lots of plastic. The boss lets do it, since they all go to the US we don't care.

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Post by exhaustgases » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:07 pm

One other thing they have a switch so you can be easily remotely disconnected. And if we remember what used to happen to the good old point distributors, with corrosion and pitting, that causes resistance, resistance causes heat, the contacts carrying high current get hot melt the supporting plastic that supports the switch, then you have an arc welder on the side of your house. That is the difference between a smart meter and the old analog units. All you have to do is study it all, just like you would if your were trying to build a race engine for your race car.

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Re: Any smart meter stories

Post by Keith Morganstein » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:39 pm

The main issues of heat and fires with smart meters, are that the smart meters are less tolerant of issues such as:
Hot sockets (resistance and heat in the meter sockets)
Incorrect installations.
Electrical surges.

Hot sockets are the bigggest problem, and they are with electro-mechanical meters too, it’s just more likely for the plastic smart meter to catch fire.

If a tech does a quick change out to a smart meter, and doesn’t check socket condition and tension...
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Post by exhaustgases » Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:51 pm

And so funny the worry about electric codes etc in any building especially when they will allow an unapproved (making it illegal) arson device(plastic smart meter) to be attached to any building. All electric meters should be remotely mounted and never attached to a flammable building period.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatch ... -1.2723046
One of the story's about Canada removing them because of fires. Oh and the photo is NOT a hot socket.

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Post by Truckedup » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:21 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:13 pm


Just go online and research it. There are many smart meter fires shown happening on youtube in Ca. They are either made in china or mexico so, that may help determining the quality control of not just the meter but also the materials it is made from. I can see it now. In the language of the country....
Hey boss we are out of that special plastic what do we do, it will take a week to get it and production will stop, the toy factory around the corner has lots of plastic. The boss lets do it, since they all go to the US we don't care.
So you have no made in China or Mexico electrical devices in your house? ..You mentioned in another post about meters never should be mounted on a flammable surface and should be mounted remotely...How about the beaker/fuse panel in your home? Is that mounted on or close to wood? Does it have plastic parts inside?
I live in the electrical service are of Rochester NY Gas and Electric...In the last three years they have planned to install smart meters but still haven't done it because of the fires scares...The potential issue is the plastic globe on the meter and the less durable plug in blades creating heat during times of heavy current flow..
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Re: Any smart meter stories

Post by Keith Morganstein » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:49 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:51 pm
And so funny the worry about electric codes etc in any building especially when they will allow an unapproved (making it illegal) arson device(plastic smart meter) to be attached to any building. All electric meters should be remotely mounted and never attached to a flammable building period.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatch ... -1.2723046
One of the story's about Canada removing them because of fires. Oh and the photo is NOT a hot socket.
How would you know that isn’t from a hot socket? It probably is . Do you even know what a hot socket is?
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Re: Any smart meter stories

Post by Truckedup » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:53 am

Keith Morganstein wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:49 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:51 pm
And so funny the worry about electric codes etc in any building especially when they will allow an unapproved (making it illegal) arson device(plastic smart meter) to be attached to any building. All electric meters should be remotely mounted and never attached to a flammable building period.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatch ... -1.2723046
One of the story's about Canada removing them because of fires. Oh and the photo is NOT a hot socket.
How would you know that isn’t from a hot socket? It probably is . Do you even know what a hot socket is?
Existing meter cabinets have spring loaded female receptacles that the meter it male terminals plugs into..Much like the wall outlet in a home...Some Smart meters have male terminals that are thinner than the old meter...They don't grip tightly , there's resistance, heat and in some cases the meter catches fire...A workman should notice when installing the meter it plugs in too loosely. It takes both hands and a firm shove to plug in a meter that fits properly....
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Re: Any smart meter stories

Post by Keith Morganstein » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:10 am

Truckedup wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:53 am
Keith Morganstein wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:49 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:51 pm
And so funny the worry about electric codes etc in any building especially when they will allow an unapproved (making it illegal) arson device(plastic smart meter) to be attached to any building. All electric meters should be remotely mounted and never attached to a flammable building period.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatch ... -1.2723046
One of the story's about Canada removing them because of fires. Oh and the photo is NOT a hot socket.
How would you know that isn’t from a hot socket? It probably is . Do you even know what a hot socket is?
Existing meter cabinets have spring loaded female receptacles that the meter it male terminals plugs into..Much like the wall outlet in a home...Some Smart meters have male terminals that are thinner than the old meter...They don't grip tightly , there's resistance, heat and in some cases the meter catches fire...A workman should notice when installing the meter it plugs in too loosely. It takes both hands and a firm shove to plug in a meter that fits properly....
wrote:They don't grip tightly , there's resistance, heat and in some cases the meter catches fire...A workman should notice when installing the meter it plugs in too loosely. It takes both hands and a firm shove to plug in a meter that fits properly....
Exactly , Resistance and current flow causes heat, hence the term " hot socket"

That can be going on with any meter socket but a metal and glass meters is going to stand a whole lot more heat than a plastic one.

The installers have a van load of meters, are doing a hot swap and they're probably not checking anything.
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Re: Any smart meter stories

Post by exhaustgases » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:51 pm

Keith Morganstein wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:49 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:51 pm
And so funny the worry about electric codes etc in any building especially when they will allow an unapproved (making it illegal) arson device(plastic smart meter) to be attached to any building. All electric meters should be remotely mounted and never attached to a flammable building period.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatch ... -1.2723046
One of the story's about Canada removing them because of fires. Oh and the photo is NOT a hot socket.
How would you know that isn’t from a hot socket? It probably is . Do you even know what a hot socket is?
Loose or corroded contacts that the meter plugs into. Causes heating due to the bad or resistive connections.
And all fine and dandy. Why deny and not look at the other facts as well? There is a ton of info about the switch that is internal causing the problems as well. A whole row of homes in Ca with burning smartmeters after some kind of transmission system electrical problem, look at the links I added.

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Re: Any smart meter stories

Post by exhaustgases » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:58 pm

So today I learned the old meters at the plug area are ceramic, and anyone with a bit of thought power should know that will handle a Hot socket way better than plastic. Even the meter installer guy thought it was crazy for them to be plastic. This is just like the world of automotive or for that matter any modern engineering(think Max 8 jets), all the new young and dumb engineers tossing out all the knowledge that was hard earned by the old timer engineers of years past.

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