Alabama abortion law

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by lefty o » Mon May 20, 2019 9:07 pm

j-c-c wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:40 pm
lefty o wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 11:34 am
the religious stuff is nonsense. add to that you guys are arguing with jcc who has previously claimed that life starts at sperm. bunch of idiots!!!! :lol:
Au Contraire wise one, my hypothetical previous argument you obviously missed was, if one can decide for others life begins with a heartbeat , I reserve the right to also decide when life begins, even if that is equally absurd to some, as sperm.

Pay attention.

Now who is the "idiot"? :lol:

And BTW, the first "heartbeats" pumps no blood, and there is yet no circulatory system formed for the "heartbeat" to connect to. Just minor details.
i paid attention, and you are still the idiot.

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by Splitter » Tue May 21, 2019 1:39 am

David Redszus wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:10 pm
Is the issue of abortion any business of the state?
Sure, why not? People who are anti-abortion can live in Alabama, and those who are pro choice can live somewhere else.

I think this is one issue that should be political instead of legal. Since nobody can agree on when life begins , it would make sense to leave it to rule by majority, and those who find themselves in the minority can choose to accept it or move to another state.

It makes the judicial system look bad when the Supreme Court is constantly changing their mind and overruling what was previously upheld, and vice versa.

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by exhaustgases » Tue May 21, 2019 2:33 am

And now just curious, why do demoncrats want to take away guns?

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by GRTfast » Tue May 21, 2019 8:46 am

Splitter wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 1:39 am
David Redszus wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:10 pm
Is the issue of abortion any business of the state?
Sure, why not? People who are anti-abortion can live in Alabama, and those who are pro choice can live somewhere else.

I think this is one issue that should be political instead of legal. Since nobody can agree on when life begins , it would make sense to leave it to rule by majority, and those who find themselves in the minority can choose to accept it or move to another state.

It makes the judicial system look bad when the Supreme Court is constantly changing their mind and overruling what was previously upheld, and vice versa.
The question isn't about when life begins, it is about whether or not the government can force a women to support a life (that couldn't survive otherwise) with her own body against her own will.

What if they figured out that a method to cure cancer is to hook a cancer patients up to healthy people similar to the way a placentas connect babies to mothers. Now imagine that the government wants to be able to force you to have cancer patients surgically attached to your body for some amount of time.

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by j-c-c » Tue May 21, 2019 10:51 am

lefty o wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:07 pm
j-c-c wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:40 pm
lefty o wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 11:34 am
the religious stuff is nonsense. add to that you guys are arguing with jcc who has previously claimed that life starts at sperm. bunch of idiots!!!! :lol:
Au Contraire wise one, my hypothetical previous argument you obviously missed was, if one can decide for others life begins with a heartbeat , I reserve the right to also decide when life begins, even if that is equally absurd to some, as sperm.

Pay attention.

Now who is the "idiot"? :lol:

And BTW, the first "heartbeats" pumps no blood, and there is yet no circulatory system formed for the "heartbeat" to connect to. Just minor details.
i paid attention, and you are still the idiot.

I support your right to think and say that, including having nothing to back it up, which actually is an an ironic way, says a lot by itself in the matter. =D>

And paying attention is only the first step, achieving comprehension takes effort.

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by j-c-c » Tue May 21, 2019 10:54 am

Splitter wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 1:39 am
David Redszus wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:10 pm
Is the issue of abortion any business of the state?
Sure, why not? People who are anti-abortion can live in Alabama, and those who are pro choice can live somewhere else.

I think this is one issue that should be political instead of legal. Since nobody can agree on when life begins , it would make sense to leave it to rule by majority, and those who find themselves in the minority can choose to accept it or move to another state.

It makes the judicial system look bad when the Supreme Court is constantly changing their mind and overruling what was previously upheld, and vice versa.
Kinda like slavery?

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by GRTfast » Tue May 21, 2019 11:05 am

Splitter wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 1:39 am
...leave it to rule by majority, and those who find themselves in the minority can choose to accept it or move to another state...
Individual liberty, bodily autonomy be damned.

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by j-c-c » Tue May 21, 2019 11:31 am

At a Wiki level of "bodily autonomy" discussion:

"The United States Constitution does not contain any specific provisions regarding the rights one has with respect to his or her physical body or the specific extent to which the state can act upon bodies.[12] However, the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld right to privacy, which, as articulated by Julie Lane, often protects rights to bodily integrity. In Griswold v. Connecticut (1965) the Court supported women's rights to obtain birth control (and thus, retain reproductive autonomy) without marital consent. Similarly, a woman's right to privacy in obtaining abortions was protected by Roe v. Wade (1973). In McFall v. Shimp (1978), a Pennsylvania court ruled that a person cannot be forced to donate bone marrow, even if such a donation would save another person's life.

Conversely, the Supreme Court has also protected the right of governmental entities to infringe upon bodily integrity. Examples include laws prohibiting the use of drugs, laws prohibiting euthanasia, laws requiring the use of seatbelts and helmets, strip searches of prisoners, and forced blood tests.[13]"

IMO, the converse exceptions above,' although I am not in 100% support of, I can understand the basis as to the restraint, since a case can be made, that not doing so can place a burden on the rest of society (except for euthanasia and blood tests by choice).

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by exhaustgases » Tue May 21, 2019 5:48 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 2:33 am
And now just curious, why do demoncrats want to take away guns?
The woman does not own the baby, the baby is a separate entity. God never gave man or woman authority over their fellow man.

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by David Redszus » Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 5:48 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 2:33 am
And now just curious, why do demoncrats want to take away guns?
The woman does not own the baby, the baby is a separate entity. God never gave man or woman authority over their fellow man.

God never gave man or woman anything.

Did God give the state authority over their fellow men?

If you do not want an abortion...don't get one. Otherwise, mind your own business.

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by GRTfast » Tue May 21, 2019 7:44 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 5:48 pm


The woman does not own the baby, the baby is a separate entity. God never gave man or woman authority over their fellow man.
^^^^^^^^^^^
This is an example of the retarded, backwards thinking that comes from irrationally held beliefs.

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by j-c-c » Tue May 21, 2019 7:46 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 5:48 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 2:33 am
And now just curious, why do demoncrats want to take away guns?
The woman does not own the baby, the baby is a separate entity. God never gave man or woman authority over their fellow man.

God never gave man or woman anything.

Did God give the state authority over their fellow men?

If you do not want an abortion...don't get one. Otherwise, mind your own business.
As a life long Republican, I thought that was our motto, boy, how times have changed. :shock:

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by gmrocket » Tue May 21, 2019 7:57 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:46 am
Splitter wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 1:39 am
David Redszus wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:10 pm
Is the issue of abortion any business of the state?
Sure, why not? People who are anti-abortion can live in Alabama, and those who are pro choice can live somewhere else.

I think this is one issue that should be political instead of legal. Since nobody can agree on when life begins , it would make sense to leave it to rule by majority, and those who find themselves in the minority can choose to accept it or move to another state.

It makes the judicial system look bad when the Supreme Court is constantly changing their mind and overruling what was previously upheld, and vice versa.
The question isn't about when life begins, it is about whether or not the government can force a women to support a life (that couldn't survive otherwise) with her own body against her own will.

What if they figured out that a method to cure cancer is to hook a cancer patients up to healthy people similar to the way a placentas connect babies to mothers. Now imagine that the government wants to be able to force you to have cancer patients surgically attached to your body for some amount of time.
FAIL

Even after birth, a baby would die without the mother or an adult around 24/7, That's probably true up till about 3 or 4

So that's not an argument. Babies have been born very prematurely, like in Japan recently.

The abortion debate is ludicrous in this day and age...except for rape or incest of a minor child which amounts to less than 1% of abortions..there are just way to many options for birth control .. crap, the morning after can be taken up till 72 hours after

99% are just pure laziness and stupidity.

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by j-c-c » Tue May 21, 2019 8:24 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:57 pm
GRTfast wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:46 am
Splitter wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 1:39 am


Sure, why not? People who are anti-abortion can live in Alabama, and those who are pro choice can live somewhere else.

I think this is one issue that should be political instead of legal. Since nobody can agree on when life begins , it would make sense to leave it to rule by majority, and those who find themselves in the minority can choose to accept it or move to another state.

It makes the judicial system look bad when the Supreme Court is constantly changing their mind and overruling what was previously upheld, and vice versa.
The question isn't about when life begins, it is about whether or not the government can force a women to support a life (that couldn't survive otherwise) with her own body against her own will.

What if they figured out that a method to cure cancer is to hook a cancer patients up to healthy people similar to the way a placentas connect babies to mothers. Now imagine that the government wants to be able to force you to have cancer patients surgically attached to your body for some amount of time.
FAIL

Even after birth, a baby would die without the mother or an adult around 24/7, That's probably true up till about 3 or 4

So that's not an argument. Babies have been born very prematurely, like in Japan recently.

The abortion debate is ludicrous in this day and age...except for rape or incest of a minor child which amounts to less than 1% of abortions..there are just way to many options for birth control .. crap, the morning after can be taken up till 72 hours after

99% are just pure laziness and stupidity.
Then make a law outlawing it.

BS.

Getting down to nitty gritty, people don't like others having more coitus then them, and will do anything to to prevent that and make them pay a price for doing so.

Best example, when you hear the old "Well they should have thought of that before having s*x" #-o

Also seems at odds, if sanctity of life is so important, why is incest/rape an exception, its still "murder" with the anti abortionists, right?

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Re: Alabama abortion law

Post by GRTfast » Tue May 21, 2019 9:21 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:57 pm
GRTfast wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:46 am
Splitter wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 1:39 am


Sure, why not? People who are anti-abortion can live in Alabama, and those who are pro choice can live somewhere else.

I think this is one issue that should be political instead of legal. Since nobody can agree on when life begins , it would make sense to leave it to rule by majority, and those who find themselves in the minority can choose to accept it or move to another state.

It makes the judicial system look bad when the Supreme Court is constantly changing their mind and overruling what was previously upheld, and vice versa.
The question isn't about when life begins, it is about whether or not the government can force a women to support a life (that couldn't survive otherwise) with her own body against her own will.

What if they figured out that a method to cure cancer is to hook a cancer patients up to healthy people similar to the way a placentas connect babies to mothers. Now imagine that the government wants to be able to force you to have cancer patients surgically attached to your body for some amount of time.
FAIL

Even after birth, a baby would die without the mother or an adult around 24/7, That's probably true up till about 3 or 4

So that's not an argument. Babies have been born very prematurely, like in Japan recently.

The abortion debate is ludicrous in this day and age...except for rape or incest of a minor child which amounts to less than 1% of abortions..there are just way to many options for birth control .. crap, the morning after can be taken up till 72 hours after

99% are just pure laziness and stupidity.
FAIL. That’s just how you rationalize legislating women’s choice to do what they want with their own bodies. Lame.

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