33 shot, 4 fatally, in Chicago over warmest weekend this year (spraying bullets at a baby shower)

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33 shot, 4 fatally, in Chicago over warmest weekend this year (spraying bullets at a baby shower)

Post by 1989TransAm » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:10 pm

Global warming made them do it. :D

"CHICAGO --More than two dozen people were shot in Chicago during the warmest weekend so far this year.
Four children under the age of 16 are among those injured.
According to police records, at least 33 people have been shot since Friday afternoon.
Among those 33 shot, at least four have died this weekend.
The latest shooting happened shortly after midnight Monday at 72nd and Stony Island. A man was walking to his vehicle when someone opened fired. He was shot in the chest and transported to University of Chicago Medical Center in critical condition.
Two children and four adults were shot during a baby shower at 63rd and Seeley in West Englewood on Saturday.
Witnesses say the shooters fired into a crowd, sending three people to hospital in critical condition; including an 8-year old boy shot in the chest and back, a 10-year old girl shot in the shin, and a 29-year old woman shot in the chest.
Police believe this shooting is gang-related, in retaliation for another in Englewood.
Mayor-elect Lori Lightfoot tweeted that she's heartbroken, and “we must stop the epidemic of violence in our city.”"

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Re: 33 shot, 4 fatally, in Chicago over warmest weekend this year (spraying bullets at a baby shower)

Post by lefty o » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:23 pm

strictest gun laws in the country. only proves more laws wont work, and that it doesnt work to play catch and release with criminals.

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Post by 86_regal » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:16 pm

Let's try a different approach on this topic rather than the falsely dichotomous pro-gun vs anti-gun debate.

Republicans tend to be very quick to legislatively impose what they believe to, or should, be "social norms" (like the drug war, the Patriot Act, heightened "vigilance" of law enforcement, same [Blank Post] marriage, ETC, ETC, ETC) on the citizenry of this country (AND many others), YET are either BLIND of or REFUSE to view such incidences as this shooting, as a social problem and NOT enacting legislation because it would either be "ineffective" or would infringe upon the citizens' Constitutional rights...?

Democrats are (or have been) quick to point out that people should have the right to marry whoever they wish, the drug war is a grossly "ineffective" ABJECT FAILURE, the INSIDIOUS, calculated and "uncaring" acts perpetrated by the "Military Industrial complex" across the globe and police brutality, YET, are quick to espouse imposing MORE LEGISLATION for STATE sanctioned gun control...?

The conclusion I draw from both of these "positions" other than their inconsist application of principles, is that our government is not equipped to remedy such matters effectively. AND that such matters have the best chance of "remedy" or change, on a SOCIAL, community, "grass roots" level.

For the SAME reasons that GENERATIONS of people who would NEVER be considered a threat with a firearm, are not the people who were "told so" by their state representative, congressman or governor, are the SAME reasons why GENERATIONS of people have acclimated and perpetuated the welfare state along with the benefits (with ZERO regard for the costs of others in their community) distribution of drugs.

What's say you???

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Re: 33 shot, 4 fatally, in Chicago over warmest weekend this year (spraying bullets at a baby shower)

Post by GRTfast » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:34 pm

86_regal wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:16 pm
Let's try a different approach on this topic rather than the falsely dichotomous pro-gun vs anti-gun debate.

Republicans tend to be very quick to legislatively impose what they believe to, or should, be "social norms" (like the drug war, the Patriot Act, heightened "vigilance" of law enforcement, same [Blank Post] marriage, ETC, ETC, ETC) on the citizenry of this country (AND many others), YET are either BLIND of or REFUSE to view such incidences as this shooting, as a social problem and NOT enacting legislation because it would either be "ineffective" or would infringe upon the citizens' Constitutional rights...?

Democrats are (or have been) quick to point out that people should have the right to marry whoever they wish, the drug war is a grossly "ineffective" ABJECT FAILURE, the INSIDIOUS, calculated and "uncaring" acts perpetrated by the "Military Industrial complex" across the globe and police brutality, YET, are quick to espouse imposing MORE LEGISLATION for STATE sanctioned gun control...?

The conclusion I draw from both of these "positions" other than their inconsist application of principles, is that our government is not equipped to remedy such matters effectively. AND that such matters have the best chance of "remedy" or change, on a SOCIAL, community, "grass roots" level.

For the SAME reasons that GENERATIONS of people who would NEVER be considered a threat with a firearm, are not the people who were "told so" by their state representative, congressman or governor, are the SAME reasons why GENERATIONS of people have acclimated and perpetuated the welfare state along with the benefits (with ZERO regard for the costs of others in their community) distribution of drugs.

What's say you???
I think the conclusion is that government is made up of people, and people are generally hypocrites. They generally support measures based on whether or not they agree with the specifics of what the measure is aiming to accomplish, not on the underlying principles such as legality, liberty or equality.

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Re: 33 shot, 4 fatally, in Chicago over warmest weekend this year (spraying bullets at a baby shower)

Post by gmrocket » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:15 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:34 pm
86_regal wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:16 pm
Let's try a different approach on this topic rather than the falsely dichotomous pro-gun vs anti-gun debate.

Republicans tend to be very quick to legislatively impose what they believe to, or should, be "social norms" (like the drug war, the Patriot Act, heightened "vigilance" of law enforcement, same [Blank Post] marriage, ETC, ETC, ETC) on the citizenry of this country (AND many others), YET are either BLIND of or REFUSE to view such incidences as this shooting, as a social problem and NOT enacting legislation because it would either be "ineffective" or would infringe upon the citizens' Constitutional rights...?

Democrats are (or have been) quick to point out that people should have the right to marry whoever they wish, the drug war is a grossly "ineffective" ABJECT FAILURE, the INSIDIOUS, calculated and "uncaring" acts perpetrated by the "Military Industrial complex" across the globe and police brutality, YET, are quick to espouse imposing MORE LEGISLATION for STATE sanctioned gun control...?

The conclusion I draw from both of these "positions" other than their inconsist application of principles, is that our government is not equipped to remedy such matters effectively. AND that such matters have the best chance of "remedy" or change, on a SOCIAL, community, "grass roots" level.

For the SAME reasons that GENERATIONS of people who would NEVER be considered a threat with a firearm, are not the people who were "told so" by their state representative, congressman or governor, are the SAME reasons why GENERATIONS of people have acclimated and perpetuated the welfare state along with the benefits (with ZERO regard for the costs of others in their community) distribution of drugs.

What's say you???
I think the conclusion is that government is made up of people, and people are generally hypocrites. They generally support measures based on whether or not they agree with the specifics of what the measure is aiming to accomplish, not on the underlying principles such as legality, liberty or equality.
So they vote according to feelings, not facts?

Whooda thunk it

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Re: 33 shot, 4 fatally, in Chicago over warmest weekend this year (spraying bullets at a baby shower)

Post by 86_regal » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:03 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:34 pm
86_regal wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:16 pm
Let's try a different approach on this topic rather than the falsely dichotomous pro-gun vs anti-gun debate.

Republicans tend to be very quick to legislatively impose what they believe to, or should, be "social norms" (like the drug war, the Patriot Act, heightened "vigilance" of law enforcement, same [Blank Post] marriage, ETC, ETC, ETC) on the citizenry of this country (AND many others), YET are either BLIND of or REFUSE to view such incidences as this shooting, as a social problem and NOT enacting legislation because it would either be "ineffective" or would infringe upon the citizens' Constitutional rights...?

Democrats are (or have been) quick to point out that people should have the right to marry whoever they wish, the drug war is a grossly "ineffective" ABJECT FAILURE, the INSIDIOUS, calculated and "uncaring" acts perpetrated by the "Military Industrial complex" across the globe and police brutality, YET, are quick to espouse imposing MORE LEGISLATION for STATE sanctioned gun control...?

The conclusion I draw from both of these "positions" other than their inconsist application of principles, is that our government is not equipped to remedy such matters effectively. AND that such matters have the best chance of "remedy" or change, on a SOCIAL, community, "grass roots" level.

For the SAME reasons that GENERATIONS of people who would NEVER be considered a threat with a firearm, are not the people who were "told so" by their state representative, congressman or governor, are the SAME reasons why GENERATIONS of people have acclimated and perpetuated the welfare state along with the benefits (with ZERO regard for the costs of others in their community) distribution of drugs.

What's say you???
I think the conclusion is that government is made up of people, and people are generally hypocrites. They generally support measures based on whether or not they agree with the specifics of what the measure is aiming to accomplish, not on the underlying principles such as legality, liberty or equality.
I look at it a bit differently...
Our government(s) is/are made up of people who (in many cases collectively) aspire to the acquisition of POWER. The overwhelming majority of people who vote along party lines are not cognizant of, cannot or "refuse" to see hypocrisy of their party's rhetoric AND ACTIONS due to the DECADES long propaganda & slogans peddled by the political class(es).

MANY examples abound such as:
As I've mentioned in the past, when was the last time the "small government" Republican Party came close to reducing the federal budget from the previous year?????
When was the last time we've heard from the "non-interventionist, anti military" left to bring our troops home from the 2 DECADES long "war on terror" in Afghanistan and if not, make it their MISSION to put the Republicans "in the spot light" to answer for why our Military Industrial Complex, at the cost of tens of TRILLIONS of dollars, has STILL NOT completed it's mission and why we're still "less safe" now than were then?????
When was last time EITHER PARTY has ACTUALLY ABOLISHED any ONE of thousands of government programs due to it's lack of efficacy?????

Imagine for a moment, the political benefit of BOTH parties to agree NOT to use either of this rhetoric against the other...?

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Re: 33 shot, 4 fatally, in Chicago over warmest weekend this year (spraying bullets at a baby shower)

Post by David Redszus » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:57 pm

The conclusion I draw from both of these "positions" other than their inconsist application of principles, is that our government is not equipped to remedy such matters effectively. AND that such matters have the best chance of "remedy" or change, on a SOCIAL, community, "grass roots" level.
Your perspective reveals an insight overlooked by the media and politicians. You are correct but stop short of a proper solution to the problem.

First, you should know that I am a Chicagoan; I grew up in the city and travel through all parts of the city. There are areas of the city that are quite safe and a few that are not. The shootings described in the OP occurred not far from each other; in the West Englewood and Woodlawn areas. Along with a few other areas,they are considered to be "combat" zones where even savy street cops fear to tread.
If you must answer a call in these areas, you will have your weapon at the ready, loaded and cocked. You will be nervous and fearful of your own safety and very trigger happy in an attempt to survive and go home to your family. It does not matter if the cop is black or white; both are targeted equally.

No laws can be written (much less enforced) that will change the behavior of these neighborhoods. No amount of gun control, drug enforcement, harsh penalties or soft welfare programs will serve a useful purpose. ALL proposed and attempted political solutions (which have all come from Democraps since they are the ruling party) have failed and will continue to fail.

Poverty is not the cause; it is the outcome of behavior. Education does not work; they do not attend and those who do, seek to vandalize school property. The thugs survive by feeding on the weak; black on black crime is extensive. Nothing grows in those areas. There is no investment, no structual repair, no real concern at all; no one gives a damn.

The very misguided social protests (Black lives matter, etc.) serve to make matters worse. Cops , firemen, social workers shun the area as a result of the hostility that has developed against "the man." Kids hate cops and run drugs for gangs until they are old enough to shoot someone as a rite of passage into a gang.

The problems are not political. The problems are cultural in nature, and therefore a cultural solution must be found. The solutions must come from within; they cannot be imposed externally. The necessary role models, fathers, and respected elders, are missing or non-existent. Some who make it out of the cultural ghetto via sports or entertainment, never look back and never come back.

Talk about political differences, "the military industrial complex", food stamps, welfare programs, affordable housing programs are all pure mumbo jumbo bullshiit. They simply serve to cloud the real issues and prevent real solutions from surfacing.

And so, what proposals to "progressives" have to solve real problems, instead of petty bickering?

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Re: 33 shot, 4 fatally, in Chicago over warmest weekend this year (spraying bullets at a baby shower)

Post by rebelrouser » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:08 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:57 pm
The conclusion I draw from both of these "positions" other than their inconsist application of principles, is that our government is not equipped to remedy such matters effectively. AND that such matters have the best chance of "remedy" or change, on a SOCIAL, community, "grass roots" level.
Your perspective reveals an insight overlooked by the media and politicians. You are correct but stop short of a proper solution to the problem.

First, you should know that I am a Chicagoan; I grew up in the city and travel through all parts of the city. There are areas of the city that are quite safe and a few that are not. The shootings described in the OP occurred not far from each other; in the West Englewood and Woodlawn areas. Along with a few other areas,they are considered to be "combat" zones where even savy street cops fear to tread.
If you must answer a call in these areas, you will have your weapon at the ready, loaded and cocked. You will be nervous and fearful of your own safety and very trigger happy in an attempt to survive and go home to your family. It does not matter if the cop is black or white; both are targeted equally.

No laws can be written (much less enforced) that will change the behavior of these neighborhoods. No amount of gun control, drug enforcement, harsh penalties or soft welfare programs will serve a useful purpose. ALL proposed and attempted political solutions (which have all come from Democraps since they are the ruling party) have failed and will continue to fail.

Poverty is not the cause; it is the outcome of behavior. Education does not work; they do not attend and those who do, seek to vandalize school property. The thugs survive by feeding on the weak; black on black crime is extensive. Nothing grows in those areas. There is no investment, no structual repair, no real concern at all; no one gives a damn.

The very misguided social protests (Black lives matter, etc.) serve to make matters worse. Cops , firemen, social workers shun the area as a result of the hostility that has developed against "the man." Kids hate cops and run drugs for gangs until they are old enough to shoot someone as a rite of passage into a gang.

The problems are not political. The problems are cultural in nature, and therefore a cultural solution must be found. The solutions must come from within; they cannot be imposed externally. The necessary role models, fathers, and respected elders, are missing or non-existent. Some who make it out of the cultural ghetto via sports or entertainment, never look back and never come back.

Talk about political differences, "the military industrial complex", food stamps, welfare programs, affordable housing programs are all pure mumbo jumbo bullshiit. They simply serve to cloud the real issues and prevent real solutions from surfacing.

And so, what proposals to "progressives" have to solve real problems, instead of petty bickering?
I agree sound bytes and political slogans are not going to fix this problem. Generations have been affected, it will take at least a generation of effort to fix it. But cops fearing to go there is not going to cut it. good people have to know somebody has their back when confronting those in society who are causing these crimes.

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Post by David Redszus » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:43 pm

rebelrouser wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:08 pm
David Redszus wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:57 pm
The conclusion I draw from both of these "positions" other than their inconsist application of principles, is that our government is not equipped to remedy such matters effectively. AND that such matters have the best chance of "remedy" or change, on a SOCIAL, community, "grass roots" level.
Your perspective reveals an insight overlooked by the media and politicians. You are correct but stop short of a proper solution to the problem.

First, you should know that I am a Chicagoan; I grew up in the city and travel through all parts of the city. There are areas of the city that are quite safe and a few that are not. The shootings described in the OP occurred not far from each other; in the West Englewood and Woodlawn areas. Along with a few other areas,they are considered to be "combat" zones where even savy street cops fear to tread.
If you must answer a call in these areas, you will have your weapon at the ready, loaded and cocked. You will be nervous and fearful of your own safety and very trigger happy in an attempt to survive and go home to your family. It does not matter if the cop is black or white; both are targeted equally.

No laws can be written (much less enforced) that will change the behavior of these neighborhoods. No amount of gun control, drug enforcement, harsh penalties or soft welfare programs will serve a useful purpose. ALL proposed and attempted political solutions (which have all come from Democraps since they are the ruling party) have failed and will continue to fail.

Poverty is not the cause; it is the outcome of behavior. Education does not work; they do not attend and those who do, seek to vandalize school property. The thugs survive by feeding on the weak; black on black crime is extensive. Nothing grows in those areas. There is no investment, no structual repair, no real concern at all; no one gives a damn.

The very misguided social protests (Black lives matter, etc.) serve to make matters worse. Cops , firemen, social workers shun the area as a result of the hostility that has developed against "the man." Kids hate cops and run drugs for gangs until they are old enough to shoot someone as a rite of passage into a gang.

The problems are not political. The problems are cultural in nature, and therefore a cultural solution must be found. The solutions must come from within; they cannot be imposed externally. The necessary role models, fathers, and respected elders, are missing or non-existent. Some who make it out of the cultural ghetto via sports or entertainment, never look back and never come back.

Talk about political differences, "the military industrial complex", food stamps, welfare programs, affordable housing programs are all pure mumbo jumbo bullshiit. They simply serve to cloud the real issues and prevent real solutions from surfacing.

And so, what proposals do "progressives" have to solve real problems, instead of petty bickering?
I agree sound bytes and political slogans are not going to fix this problem. Generations have been affected, it will take at least a generation of effort to fix it. But cops fearing to go there is not going to cut it. good people have to know somebody has their back when confronting those in society who are causing these crimes.
The passage of time will make things even worse as new generations adopt a hostile counter culture. Affirmative action programs, leftist court decisions, political profiteering and misguided media have contributed to a code of silence among the affected society. The victims see their cause is hopeless as the deck is stacked against them. Case in point: Smolett.

The National Guard cannot be used (although it should be used), prisons are overpacked and serve as criminal graduate schools, and not a single politician or citizen or acedemic has offered a possible solution that has not been tried and failed.

What is your specific recommendation?

Similar problems exist in numerous other major inner cities, all controlled by Democraps. Why?

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Post by 86_regal » Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:54 pm

rebelrouser wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:08 pm
David Redszus wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:57 pm
The conclusion I draw from both of these "positions" other than their inconsist application of principles, is that our government is not equipped to remedy such matters effectively. AND that such matters have the best chance of "remedy" or change, on a SOCIAL, community, "grass roots" level.
Your perspective reveals an insight overlooked by the media and politicians. You are correct but stop short of a proper solution to the problem.

First, you should know that I am a Chicagoan; I grew up in the city and travel through all parts of the city. There are areas of the city that are quite safe and a few that are not. The shootings described in the OP occurred not far from each other; in the West Englewood and Woodlawn areas. Along with a few other areas,they are considered to be "combat" zones where even savy street cops fear to tread.
If you must answer a call in these areas, you will have your weapon at the ready, loaded and cocked. You will be nervous and fearful of your own safety and very trigger happy in an attempt to survive and go home to your family. It does not matter if the cop is black or white; both are targeted equally.

No laws can be written (much less enforced) that will change the behavior of these neighborhoods. No amount of gun control, drug enforcement, harsh penalties or soft welfare programs will serve a useful purpose. ALL proposed and attempted political solutions (which have all come from Democraps since they are the ruling party) have failed and will continue to fail.

Poverty is not the cause; it is the outcome of behavior. Education does not work; they do not attend and those who do, seek to vandalize school property. The thugs survive by feeding on the weak; black on black crime is extensive. Nothing grows in those areas. There is no investment, no structual repair, no real concern at all; no one gives a damn.

The very misguided social protests (Black lives matter, etc.) serve to make matters worse. Cops , firemen, social workers shun the area as a result of the hostility that has developed against "the man." Kids hate cops and run drugs for gangs until they are old enough to shoot someone as a rite of passage into a gang.

The problems are not political. The problems are cultural in nature, and therefore a cultural solution must be found. The solutions must come from within; they cannot be imposed externally. The necessary role models, fathers, and respected elders, are missing or non-existent. Some who make it out of the cultural ghetto via sports or entertainment, never look back and never come back.

Talk about political differences, "the military industrial complex", food stamps, welfare programs, affordable housing programs are all pure mumbo jumbo bullshiit. They simply serve to cloud the real issues and prevent real solutions from surfacing.

And so, what proposals to "progressives" have to solve real problems, instead of petty bickering?
I agree sound bytes and political slogans are not going to fix this problem. Generations have been affected, it will take at least a generation of effort to fix it. But cops fearing to go there is not going to cut it. good people have to know somebody has their back when confronting those in society who are causing these crimes.
I agree with virtually everything you've stated David except for ascribing these "political differences" as bullshit.

It's hard to argue how these listed "differences" ARE NOT REAL problems. In the context of the inner city "combat zone" problem cited, the hiring of MORE "brave police" with more munitions, tactical gear and even MORE strict drug laws WILL only serve to continue to erode the people's morale, no differently than the DECADES long spewing of the political "oppression narrative" rhetoric to justify the continually peddled government policies in the name "reversing the oppression of minorities".

Our government's "solutions" to such problems have not only NOT solved these problems, they have BECOME the problem(s) which exacerbate them. IMO, these government policies, born out of such "political differences" must be recognized as such and ABOLISHED before the "real solutions" can be implemented and effective...

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Re: 33 shot, 4 fatally, in Chicago over warmest weekend this year (spraying bullets at a baby shower)

Post by pdq67 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:06 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:57 pm
The conclusion I draw from both of these "positions" other than their inconsist application of principles, is that our government is not equipped to remedy such matters effectively. AND that such matters have the best chance of "remedy" or change, on a SOCIAL, community, "grass roots" level.
Your perspective reveals an insight overlooked by the media and politicians. You are correct but stop short of a proper solution to the problem.

First, you should know that I am a Chicagoan; I grew up in the city and travel through all parts of the city. There are areas of the city that are quite safe and a few that are not. The shootings described in the OP occurred not far from each other; in the West Englewood and Woodlawn areas. Along with a few other areas,they are considered to be "combat" zones where even savy street cops fear to tread.
If you must answer a call in these areas, you will have your weapon at the ready, loaded and cocked. You will be nervous and fearful of your own safety and very trigger happy in an attempt to survive and go home to your family. It does not matter if the cop is black or white; both are targeted equally.

No laws can be written (much less enforced) that will change the behavior of these neighborhoods. No amount of gun control, drug enforcement, harsh penalties or soft welfare programs will serve a useful purpose. ALL proposed and attempted political solutions (which have all come from Democraps since they are the ruling party) have failed and will continue to fail.

Poverty is not the cause; it is the outcome of behavior. Education does not work; they do not attend and those who do, seek to vandalize school property. The thugs survive by feeding on the weak; black on black crime is extensive. Nothing grows in those areas. There is no investment, no structual repair, no real concern at all; no one gives a damn.

The very misguided social protests (Black lives matter, etc.) serve to make matters worse. Cops , firemen, social workers shun the area as a result of the hostility that has developed against "the man." Kids hate cops and run drugs for gangs until they are old enough to shoot someone as a rite of passage into a gang.

The problems are not political. The problems are cultural in nature, and therefore a cultural solution must be found. The solutions must come from within; they cannot be imposed externally. The necessary role models, fathers, and respected elders, are missing or non-existent. Some who make it out of the cultural ghetto via sports or entertainment, never look back and never come back.

Talk about political differences, "the military industrial complex", food stamps, welfare programs, affordable housing programs are all pure mumbo jumbo bullshiit. They simply serve to cloud the real issues and prevent real solutions from surfacing.

And so, what proposals to "progressives" have to solve real problems, instead of petty bickering?
It's because nobody wants to break anybody's, "rice bowl"!!

People consider ALL this Gov. wasteful stuff as just JOBS so why upset the apple cart OR break somebody's, "rice bowl"!!

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Re: 33 shot, 4 fatally, in Chicago over warmest weekend this year (spraying bullets at a baby shower)

Post by j-c-c » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:11 pm

lefty o wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:23 pm
strictest gun laws in the country. only proves more laws wont work, and that it doesnt work to play catch and release with criminals.

You would make one heck of a researcher. #-o

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Post by lefty o » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:22 pm

j-c-c wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:11 pm
lefty o wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:23 pm
strictest gun laws in the country. only proves more laws wont work, and that it doesnt work to play catch and release with criminals.

You would make one heck of a researcher. #-o
at least i understand that criminals dont obey laws. i know its a fairly simple concept to understand, but you'll catch on eventually. :lol:

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Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:13 am

There is no hope for the boy.

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Post by David Redszus » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:13 am

Talk about political differences, "the military industrial complex", food stamps, welfare programs, affordable housing programs are all pure mumbo jumbo bullshiit. They simply serve to cloud the real issues and prevent real solutions from surfacing.
It's hard to argue how these listed "differences" ARE NOT REAL problems.
My point was to indicate the political differences have nothing to do with the REAL problems of the inner city.
They are pseudo solutions or failed solutions which need not be repeated.
Our government's "solutions" to such problems have not only NOT solved these problems, they have BECOME the problem(s)
Agreed. But continued political bickering over taxation of the rich, gun control, tax returns, border immigration, abortion, gay rights, climate change, etc., have never addressed the real issues that have grown from marbles to mountains.

The Civil Rights movement, the Great Society, the War on Poverty, the Women's Movement, Voting Rights, Equal Opportunity programs...all have all been tried and failed.

Still we hear of no proposed, specific solutions of any kind from any source.
And the beat goes on...

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