Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

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Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by exhaustgases » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:56 pm

https://www.rt.com/news/453382-greenpea ... ming-scam/

He says man and mineral fuel has saved the planet. And mentions how they have made it a religion, truth always hurts donut.

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by exhaustgases » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:13 pm

And nice when someone comes up with something that the demoncrat climate religion can not battle. Truth is powerful isn't it?

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by Dave Koehler » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:04 pm

While I think Moore's summation of AOC is correct maybe there is more to it....
Likely clickbait but here it is.
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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by rebelrouser » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:19 pm

And you really think RT news is a source you can trust? I know Trump supports it but?

"RT (formerly Russia Today) is a Russian international television network funded by the Russian government.[4][5] It operates pay television channels directed to audiences outside of Russia, as well as providing Internet content in English, Spanish, French, German, Arabic and Russian.

RT International, based in Moscow, presents around-the-clock news bulletins, documentaries, talk shows, debates, sports news, and cultural programmes that it says provide "a Russian viewpoint on major global events"

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by GRTfast » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:23 pm

rebelrouser wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:19 pm
And you really think RT news is a source you can trust? I know Trump supports it but?

"RT (formerly Russia Today) is a Russian international television network funded by the Russian government.[4][5] It operates pay television channels directed to audiences outside of Russia, as well as providing Internet content in English, Spanish, French, German, Arabic and Russian.

RT International, based in Moscow, presents around-the-clock news bulletins, documentaries, talk shows, debates, sports news, and cultural programmes that it says provide "a Russian viewpoint on major global events"
EG posts a lot of stuff from Russia Today. Not surprising at all.

That said, some co2 in the atmosphere is good. Optimal levels vary depending on what you are after. I think a solid case can be made that the levels we have, or even a bit more can potentially be a good thing. The problem is the rate we are increasing it by.

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Post by David Redszus » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:26 pm

Regardless of the source or media, the fact remains that CO2 is very good for the planet and all living things on it.

Acres of greenhouses on the Netherlands pump in CO2 to help plant growth.

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by exhaustgases » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:41 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:23 pm
rebelrouser wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:19 pm
And you really think RT news is a source you can trust? I know Trump supports it but?

"RT (formerly Russia Today) is a Russian international television network funded by the Russian government.[4][5] It operates pay television channels directed to audiences outside of Russia, as well as providing Internet content in English, Spanish, French, German, Arabic and Russian.

RT International, based in Moscow, presents around-the-clock news bulletins, documentaries, talk shows, debates, sports news, and cultural programmes that it says provide "a Russian viewpoint on major global events"
EG posts a lot of stuff from Russia Today. Not surprising at all.

That said, some co2 in the atmosphere is good. Optimal levels vary depending on what you are after. I think a solid case can be made that the levels we have, or even a bit more can potentially be a good thing. The problem is the rate we are increasing it by.
I find the links on a real news source. It is sad you have to see news from other country's to see what is really going on. GRT you should like Russia that is where all your now commies came from.

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by GRTfast » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:51 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:26 pm
Regardless of the source or media, the fact remains that CO2 is very good for the planet and all living things on it.

Acres of greenhouses on the Netherlands pump in CO2 to help plant growth.
At atmospheric concentrations roughly double what we have now, cognition can begin to be impaired. More isn't always better.

https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/co2 ... in-on-co2/

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by GRTfast » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:52 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:41 pm
GRTfast wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:23 pm
rebelrouser wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:19 pm
And you really think RT news is a source you can trust? I know Trump supports it but?

"RT (formerly Russia Today) is a Russian international television network funded by the Russian government.[4][5] It operates pay television channels directed to audiences outside of Russia, as well as providing Internet content in English, Spanish, French, German, Arabic and Russian.

RT International, based in Moscow, presents around-the-clock news bulletins, documentaries, talk shows, debates, sports news, and cultural programmes that it says provide "a Russian viewpoint on major global events"
EG posts a lot of stuff from Russia Today. Not surprising at all.

That said, some co2 in the atmosphere is good. Optimal levels vary depending on what you are after. I think a solid case can be made that the levels we have, or even a bit more can potentially be a good thing. The problem is the rate we are increasing it by.
I find the links on a real news source. It is sad you have to see news from other country's to see what is really going on. GRT you should like Russia that is where all your now commies came from.
You wouldn't know what a real news source was if it bit you on your old balls. Don't you have a flat earth rally to go to?

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by exhaustgases » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:32 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:52 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:41 pm
GRTfast wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:23 pm


EG posts a lot of stuff from Russia Today. Not surprising at all.

That said, some co2 in the atmosphere is good. Optimal levels vary depending on what you are after. I think a solid case can be made that the levels we have, or even a bit more can potentially be a good thing. The problem is the rate we are increasing it by.
I find the links on a real news source. It is sad you have to see news from other country's to see what is really going on. GRT you should like Russia that is where all your now commies came from.
You wouldn't know what a real news source was if it bit you on your old balls. Don't you have a flat earth rally to go to?
Real news is easy to spot, it does not contain social political brain washing garbage, like the MSM you are so in love with. If it does not support the climate religion then it is real news. Real simple to figure out.

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by j-c-c » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:17 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:32 pm
GRTfast wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:52 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:41 pm

I find the links on a real news source. It is sad you have to see news from other country's to see what is really going on. GRT you should like Russia that is where all your now commies came from.
You wouldn't know what a real news source was if it bit you on your old balls. Don't you have a flat earth rally to go to?
Real news is easy to spot, it does not contain social political brain washing garbage, like the MSM you are so in love with. If it does not support the climate religion then it is real news. Real simple to figure out.
To someone who understands and practices a smidgen of "critical thinking".

"Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment.[1] The subject is complex, and several different definitions exist, which generally include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis, or evaluation of factual evidence. Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined, self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking. It presupposes assent to rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. It entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a commitment to overcome native egocentrism[2][3] and sociocentrism." Woki

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by David Redszus » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:42 am

David Redszus wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:26 pm
Regardless of the source or media, the fact remains that CO2 is very good for the planet and all living things on it.

Acres of greenhouses on the Netherlands pump in CO2 to help plant growth.

At atmospheric concentrations roughly double what we have now, cognition can begin to be impaired.
More isn't always better.
Not quite. CO2 levels would have to exceed 1500 to 2000ppm for sustained periods of time to have
cognitive effects. Assuming the CO2 curves does not reverse (it often has), it could take a thousand years
for CO2 levels to cause us to think like looney liberal lefties. i.s Ms Cortez.

NASA has recently announced that an ongoing reduction in sun activity will bring on an extended reduction in global
temperature, possibly similar to an ice age.

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by GRTfast » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:59 am

David Redszus wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:42 am
David Redszus wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:26 pm
Regardless of the source or media, the fact remains that CO2 is very good for the planet and all living things on it.

Acres of greenhouses on the Netherlands pump in CO2 to help plant growth.

At atmospheric concentrations roughly double what we have now, cognition can begin to be impaired.
More isn't always better.
Not quite. CO2 levels would have to exceed 1500 to 2000ppm for sustained periods of time to have
cognitive effects. Assuming the CO2 curves does not reverse (it often has), it could take a thousand years
for CO2 levels to cause us to think like looney liberal lefties. i.s Ms Cortez.

NASA has recently announced that an ongoing reduction in sun activity will bring on an extended reduction in global
temperature, possibly similar to an ice age.
Citation?

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Re: Green peace cofounder says Co2 is good

Post by j-c-c » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:15 am

I'm thinking the first cognitive effects on increased CO2 might just be denial :lol:, using current observations on behavior, just might be tough to support cause and effect.

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Post by David Redszus » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:01 pm

NASA has recently announced that an ongoing reduction in sun activity will bring on
an extended reduction in global temperature, possibly similar to an ice age.
Citation?
Those promoting CO2 as the reason for global warming are hucksters
and those taken in by hucksters.


“We see a cooling trend,” said Martin Mlynczak of NASA’s Langley Research Center. “High above
Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends
continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.”

The new data is coming from NASA’s Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission
Radiometry or SABER instrument, which is onboard the space agency’s Thermosphere Ionosphere
Mesosphere Energetics and Dynamics (TIMED) satellite. SABER monitors infrared radiation from
carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances that play a vital role in the energy output
of our thermosphere, the very top level of our atmosphere.

“The thermosphere always cools off during Solar Minimum. It’s one of the most important ways
the solar cycle affects our planet,” said Mlynczak, who is the associate principal investigator for SABER.

The new NASA findings are in line with studies released by UC-San Diego and Northumbria University
in Great Britain last year, both of which predict a Grand Solar Minimum in coming decades due to
low sunspot activity. Both studies predicted sun activity similar to the Maunder Minimum of the
mid-17th to early 18th centuries, which coincided to a time known as the Little Ice Age, during
which temperatures were much lower than those of today.

If all of this seems as if NASA is contradicting itself, you’re right — sort of. After all, NASA also
reported last week that Arctic sea ice was at its sixth lowest level since measuring began. Isn’t
that a sure sign of global warming? All any of this “proves” is that we have, at best, a cursory
understanding of Earth’s incredibly complex climate system. So when mainstream media and
carbon-credit salesman Al Gore breathlessly warn you that we must do something about climate
change, it’s all right to step back, take a deep breath, and realize that we don’t have the knowledge,
skill or resources to have much effect on the Earth’s climate.

See the problem? Alarmists take one variable, CO2 that is only a tiny part of extremely long cycles
and make projections far into to the future based off it.

When I was in grade school, the alarmists were worried about global cooling. Amusingly, I recall
discussing in science class the need to put soot on the arctic ice to melt it to stop the advance of
glaciers. The latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Report said we have only
12 years left to save the planet. It triggered the usual frantic and ridiculous reactions.

NBC News offered this gem: “A last-ditch global warming fix? A man-made ‘volcanic’ eruption” to
cool the planet.” Its article proclaimed, “Scientists and some environmentalists believe nations
might have to mimic volcanic gases as a last-ditch effort to protect Earth from extreme warming.”

From 1940 to almost 1980, the average global temperature went down. Political concerns and
the alleged scientific consensus focused on global cooling. Alarmists said it could be the end of
agriculture and civilization. Journalist Lowell Ponte wrote in his 1976 book, The Cooling.

The problem then was – and still is now – that people are educated in the false philosophy of
uniformitarianism: the misguided belief that conditions always were and always will be as they
are now, and any natural changes will occur over long periods of time.


Consequently, most people did not understand that the cooling was part of the natural cycle of
climate variability, or that changes are often huge and sudden. Just 18,000 years ago we were at
the peak of an Ice Age. Then, most of the ice melted and sea levels rose 150 meters (490 feet),
because it was warmer for almost all of the last 10,000 years than it is today.

During the cooling “danger,” geo-engineering proposals included:
* building a dam across the Bering Straits to block cold Arctic water, to warm the North Pacific and
the middle latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere;
* dumping black soot on the Arctic ice cap to promote melting;
* adding carbon dioxide (CO2) to the atmosphere to raise global temperatures.

“Taking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere,” as advocated by the IPCC in its October 8 news
conference, is also foolish. Historic records show that, at about 410 parts per million (ppm), the
level of CO2 supposedly in the atmosphere now, we are near the lowest in the last 280 million years.
As plants evolved over that time, the average level was 1200 ppm. That is why commercial
greenhouses boost CO2 to that level to increase plant growth and yields by a factor of four.

The IPCC has been wrong in every prediction it’s made since 1990. It would be a grave error to use its
latest forecasts as the excuse to engage in geo-engineering experiments with the only planet we have.

Next, please consider Extreme weather not proof of global warming, NASA on global cooling.
To understand the great confusion about global warming or climate change, my most lucid guide
has been Dr. Richard Lindzen — a former Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology at MIT and
member of the US National Academy of Sciences — and his now famous lecture for the Global
Warming Policy Foundation last October 8. In just a number of segments of his lecture,
Dr. Lindzen crystallized for me why the church of global warming errs so badly in its dogma.

Global warming promoters fostered the popular public perception of the science of climate
change as quite simple. It is that here’s one phenomenon to be explained (“global average
temperature,” or GAT, which, says Lindzen, is a thoroughly unscientific concept). And there’s
one explanation for it: the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. GAT is only one of many important
phenomena to measure in the climate system, and CO2 is only one of many factors that influence
both GAT and all the other phenomena.

CO2’s role in controlling GAT is at most perhaps 2 percent, yet climate alarmists think of it
as the “control knob.” Most people readily confuse weather (short-term, local-scale temperature,
humidity, precipitation, wind, cloudiness, and more) with climate (long-term, large-scale of each)
and think weather phenomena are driven by climate phenomena; they aren’t.

Consequently, as Lindzen says, the currently popular narrative concerning this system is this:
The climate, a complex multifactor system, can be summarized in just one variable, the globally
averaged temperature change, and is primarily controlled by the 1 to 2 percent perturbation in the energy
budget due to a single variable — carbon dioxide — among many variables of comparable importance.

Did You Know the Greatest Two-Year Global Cooling Event Just Took Place?
Would it surprise you to learn the greatest global two-year cooling event of the last century
just occurred? From February 2016 to February 2018 (the latest month available) global average
temperatures dropped 0.56°C. You have to go back to 1982-84 for the next biggest two-year drop,
0.47°C—also during the global warming era. All the data in this essay come from GISTEMP Team,
2018: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP). NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies
(dataset accessed 2018-04-11 at https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/). This is the standard
source used in most journalistic reporting of global average temperatures.

The 2016-18 Big Chill was composed of two Little Chills, the biggest five month drop ever (February
to June 2016) and the fourth biggest (February to June 2017). A similar event from February to June
2018 would bring global average temperatures below the 1980s average. February 2018 was colder
than February 1998. If someone is tempted to argue that the reason for recent record cooling periods
is that global temperatures are getting more volatile, it's not true. The volatility of monthly global
average temperatures since 2000 is only two-thirds what it was from 1880 to 1999.

None of this argues against global warming. The 1950s was the last decade cooler than the
previous decade, the next five decades were all warmer on average than the decade before.
Two year cooling cycles, even if they set records, are statistical noise compared to the long-term trend.

My point is that statistical cooling outliers garner no media attention. The global average
temperature numbers come out monthly. If they show a new hottest year on record, that's a big story.
If they show a big increase over the previous month, or the same month in the previous year,
that's a story. If they represent a sequence of warming months or years, that's a story. When they
show cooling of any sort—and there have been more cooling months than warming months since
anthropogenic warming began—there's no story.

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