Where did AOC come from?

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by woody b » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:57 pm

Once again

So, a question for the liberals. Do you support AOC and her agenda?
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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by GRTfast » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:11 pm

woody b wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:57 pm
Once again

So, a question for the liberals. Do you support AOC and her agenda?
Well, I don't consider myself a liberal, but I will answer since everyone here like to call me one.

In general, I do not support AOC. I think she is very naive and unrealistic. I don't think she's "evil", I just think she doesn't have much of a clue when it comes to most topics she speaks on.

I think some of the problems that she is attempting to address are very real, but I would suggest a much more pragmatic approach. I think offering incentives (positive reinforcement) is a better motivator than outright banning or telling corporations and individuals what they can't do.

I tend toward the libertarian side of the libertarian/authoritarian axis, so I am generally reluctant to support any kind of large scale government mandates or takeover. That said, I think liberty has a limit. My freedom to swing my fist ends at your nose. There has to be some rules and regulations to prevent runaway destruction in the pursuit of profits.
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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by LoganD » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:17 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:47 am
j-c-c wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:59 pm
Truckedup wrote:
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To answer the original question, she is from NYC, college graduate who worked as a waitress before being elected to congress. With respect for waitresses, why go to college if all you want is basic blue collar job?
Some people I suspect just enjoy increasing their knowledge, seems like a personal choice if you ask me. its not written in stone that higher education is only about a paycheck.
So that higher education didn't pay off for ya huh?

Are you still paying back that 150k loan for your 25k job?
The insecurity in your posts is unreal.

There's no reason to ridicule someone for not going to college, for some people that may be the wrong choice. There's nothing wrong with a blue collar job, or learning things through experience. Conversely, there's no reason to ridicule someone for pursuing higher education, we would never have gotten people like Newton or Einstein and their corresponding breakthroughs without that pursuit. That's the great thing about having options, we can choose different paths for our own reasons.

As for the money side....while I'm sure there's people who made bad decisions with student loans, there's also people who are making more than you'll ever make due to their education. I'm not sure why this has to be about people who have a degree vs. people who don't, what does that have to do with anything?

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by GRTfast » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:29 pm

LoganD wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:17 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:47 am
j-c-c wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:59 pm


Some people I suspect just enjoy increasing their knowledge, seems like a personal choice if you ask me. its not written in stone that higher education is only about a paycheck.
So that higher education didn't pay off for ya huh?

Are you still paying back that 150k loan for your 25k job?
The insecurity in your posts is unreal.

There's no reason to ridicule someone for not going to college, for some people that may be the wrong choice. There's nothing wrong with a blue collar job, or learning things through experience. Conversely, there's no reason to ridicule someone for pursuing higher education, we would never have gotten people like Newton or Einstein and their corresponding breakthroughs without that pursuit. That's the great thing about having options, we can choose different paths for our own reasons.

As for the money side....while I'm sure there's people who made bad decisions with student loans, there's also people who are making more than you'll ever make due to their education. I'm not sure why this has to be about people who have a degree vs. people who don't, what does that have to do with anything?
With reasoned posts like that, you’ll be labeled as a liberal lefty socialist communist in no time! Welcome. :)

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by David Redszus » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:41 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:28 pm
David Redszus wrote:
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He speaks like you; loudly and arrogantly. And ignorantly.
Man, I can think of one politician that fits that description to a T. Can you guess who it is? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Shnonold Shnrump.
I can think of several: Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Feinstein, Warren.....and the loony beat goes on.
But those names are harder for slow minds to pronounce.

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by David Redszus » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:46 pm

I think some of the problems that she is attempting to address are very real, but I would suggest a much more pragmatic approach. I think offering incentives (positive reinforcement) is a better motivator than outright banning or telling corporations and individuals what they can't do.

I tend toward the libertarian side of the libertarian/authoritarian axis, so I am generally reluctant to support any kind of large scale government mandates or takeover. That said, I think liberty has a limit.
Your comment is thoughtful and intelligent; it should lead to useful discourse.

Which problems do you think AOC is attempting to solve?

What are her qualifications or experience that would allow her to make a valid contribution?

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by LoganD » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:53 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:41 pm
GRTfast wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:28 pm
David Redszus wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:28 am

He speaks like you; loudly and arrogantly. And ignorantly.
Man, I can think of one politician that fits that description to a T. Can you guess who it is? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Shnonold Shnrump.
I can think of several: Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Feinstein, Warren.....and the loony beat goes on.
But those names are harder for slow minds to pronounce.
I can think of several hundred politicians who are loud, arrogant, and ignorant. Liberals don't have a corner on that market, and Republicans don't either.....politicians do.

AOC is following the exact formula laid down by Donald Trump. Be loud, be brash, be controversial. Your supporters will follow you ignorantly and blindly, screw the people who don't agree. It's clearly working, here we are discussing a woman who has had very little real political impact at this point, but she's on the tip of everyone's tongue. Sounds a bit like Trump, eh? To try and pretend that Trump is somehow better because he's identified as Republican, or that AOC is somehow better because she's a Democrat is ridiculous. They're both playing a popularity game, and both of them are doing it well.

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by gmrocket » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:59 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:29 pm
LoganD wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:17 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:47 am


So that higher education didn't pay off for ya huh?

Are you still paying back that 150k loan for your 25k job?
The insecurity in your posts is unreal.

There's no reason to ridicule someone for not going to college, for some people that may be the wrong choice. There's nothing wrong with a blue collar job, or learning things through experience. Conversely, there's no reason to ridicule someone for pursuing higher education, we would never have gotten people like Newton or Einstein and their corresponding breakthroughs without that pursuit. That's the great thing about having options, we can choose different paths for our own reasons.

As for the money side....while I'm sure there's people who made bad decisions with student loans, there's also people who are making more than you'll ever make due to their education. I'm not sure why this has to be about people who have a degree vs. people who don't, what does that have to do with anything?
With reasoned posts like that, you’ll be labeled as a liberal lefty socialist communist in no time! Welcome. :)
i guess you missed his post about my most articulate post ever huh? hahahahhahaha

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by gmrocket » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:01 pm

LoganD wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:17 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:47 am
j-c-c wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:59 pm


Some people I suspect just enjoy increasing their knowledge, seems like a personal choice if you ask me. its not written in stone that higher education is only about a paycheck.
So that higher education didn't pay off for ya huh?

Are you still paying back that 150k loan for your 25k job?
The insecurity in your posts is unreal.

There's no reason to ridicule someone for not going to college, for some people that may be the wrong choice. There's nothing wrong with a blue collar job, or learning things through experience. Conversely, there's no reason to ridicule someone for pursuing higher education, we would never have gotten people like Newton or Einstein and their corresponding breakthroughs without that pursuit. That's the great thing about having options, we can choose different paths for our own reasons.

As for the money side....while I'm sure there's people who made bad decisions with student loans, there's also people who are making more than you'll ever make due to their education. I'm not sure why this has to be about people who have a degree vs. people who don't, what does that have to do with anything?
you missed the meaning of my post...stick around and youll see the jcc clown and the other tall forehead GRTfast are the ones who are the bashers of the uneducated

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by GRTfast » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:03 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:46 pm
Your comment is thoughtful and intelligent; it should lead to useful discourse.

Which problems do you think AOC is attempting to solve?
I think the one she is targeting that is real and has the potential to be a big big problem in the next 50-100 years is anthropomorphic climate change. The problem with all the doomsday predictions is, they don't tale into account the new ideas and advancements that will end up solving the problems. I actually have a lot of trust in the inventive and innovative capabilities of humans. We will solved the problems, and we will solve them with methods and techniques that we haven't thought of yet.
David Redszus wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:46 pm
What are her qualifications or experience that would allow her to make a valid contribution?
None that I can think of.

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by GRTfast » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:05 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:01 pm
LoganD wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:17 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:47 am


So that higher education didn't pay off for ya huh?

Are you still paying back that 150k loan for your 25k job?
The insecurity in your posts is unreal.

There's no reason to ridicule someone for not going to college, for some people that may be the wrong choice. There's nothing wrong with a blue collar job, or learning things through experience. Conversely, there's no reason to ridicule someone for pursuing higher education, we would never have gotten people like Newton or Einstein and their corresponding breakthroughs without that pursuit. That's the great thing about having options, we can choose different paths for our own reasons.

As for the money side....while I'm sure there's people who made bad decisions with student loans, there's also people who are making more than you'll ever make due to their education. I'm not sure why this has to be about people who have a degree vs. people who don't, what does that have to do with anything?
you missed the meaning of my post...stick around and youll see the jcc clown and the other tall forehead GRTfast are the ones who are the bashers of the uneducated
Willful ignorance is my pet peeve. I know plenty of uneducated people who are reasonably intelligent. Its those who reject information because it doesn't agree with their worldview that I have disdain for. You know what at least one of those guys looks like, you see him in the mirror daily.

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by GRTfast » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:07 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:59 pm

i guess you missed his post about my most articulate post ever huh? hahahahhahaha
I do not think his post means what you think it means.

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by David Redszus » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:11 pm

AOC is following the exact formula laid down by Donald Trump.
Why of course she is. She has spent most of her childhood building things and giving thousands of jobs to middle income workers, just like Trump.
Be loud, be brash, be controversial. Your supporters will follow you ignorantly and blindly, screw the people who don't agree.
From out of the past come the thrundering hoofbeast of the great horse Bernie and his faithful? companion Hillary, who single handedly persuaded us with their wisdon and hoinesty.
It's clearly working, here we are discussing a woman who has had very little real political impact at this point, but she's on the tip of everyone's tongue.
Good point. She should pray to the CNN god every day. Got Listerine?
To try and pretend that Trump is somehow better because he's identified as Republican, or that AOC is somehow better because she's a Democrat is ridiculous.
Of course, but no one is pretending to that. Everyone is recognizing that AOC is a silly little buffoon who has become the new standard bearer of the Democrap party. Who is at fault" AOC or the looney leftist Democraps? No, it must be Trump's fault. Everyhting else is.

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by LoganD » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:22 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:11 pm
AOC is following the exact formula laid down by Donald Trump.
Why of course she is. She has spent most of her childhood building things and giving thousands of jobs to middle income workers, just like Trump.
You think Trump won because of his past business exploits? If so, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. He won because he got in everyone's face, he won because all media coverage is good media coverage. When he messed up, he kept right on marching and his followers loved it.
David Redszus wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:11 pm
Be loud, be brash, be controversial. Your supporters will follow you ignorantly and blindly, screw the people who don't agree.
From out of the past come the thrundering hoofbeast of the great horse Bernie and his faithful? companion Hillary, who single handedly persuaded us with their wisdon and hoinesty.
I never said that AOC or Trump had a corner on this. I do think that politicians like AOC and Trump are taking things a step further, the fact they have no political experience is actually an asset rather than a detriment to their followers. It's insanity, even Reagan paid his dues before Presidency.
David Redszus wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:11 pm
It's clearly working, here we are discussing a woman who has had very little real political impact at this point, but she's on the tip of everyone's tongue.
Good point. She should pray to the CNN god every day. Got Listerine?
She's marketing herself to a certain demographic very well. Trump did the same. It's no accident that older voters loved Trump and younger voters didn't, and it's no accident that the situation is reversed for AOC.
David Redszus wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:11 pm
To try and pretend that Trump is somehow better because he's identified as Republican, or that AOC is somehow better because she's a Democrat is ridiculous.
Of course, but no one is pretending to that. Everyone is recognizing that AOC is a silly little buffoon who has become the new standard bearer of the Democrap party. Who is at fault" AOC or the looney leftist Democraps? No, it must be Trump's fault. Everyhting else is.
? I'm going to presume that you're just being sarcastic here. AOC saw that Trump had a great amount of success marketing himself to a very specific demographic, and she's doing the same. The fact that it's not the same demographic is immaterial.

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Re: Where did AOC come from?

Post by David Redszus » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:42 pm

You think Trump won because of his past business exploits? If so, we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
My point is that Trump did something with his life. She has not; and can't be expected to.
the fact they have no political experience is actually an asset rather than a detriment to their followers.
Trump had the experience of building and operating a very large enterprise. She has none at all, of any kind. The media needed Trump to shore up ratings. Why do theyt need her? They don't and will soon recognize that fact.
She's marketing herself to a certain demographic very well. Trump did the same. It's no accident that older voters loved Trump and younger voters didn't, and it's no accident that the situation is reversed for AOC.
Most things that happen in politics are accidents. Very little is properly anticipated and planned. Ask Hillary.
AOC saw that Trump had a great amount of success marketing himself to a very specific demographic, and she's doing the same.
Almost right. Trump did not select his supporters; they choose him, because they were completely fed up with the inept and corrupt Obama regime. Were it not so, Hillary would have won easily. Why didn't she?

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