Paul Manafort gets less than 4 years for tax, bank fraud

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Paul Manafort gets less than 4 years for tax, bank fraud

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:32 pm

This is far less than what Mueller wanted.

"Paul Manafort was sentenced Thursday to just under four years in prison for a massive fraud scheme tied to his work as a political consultant for Ukraine’s pro-Russian government, according to reports from the Virginia courthouse.
The 47-month sentence imposed by federal Judge T.S. Ellis III was far below sentencing guidelines of 19-1/2 to 24 years, which Ellis called “excessive.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/paul-mana ... -virginia/

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Re: Paul Manafort gets less than 4 years for tax, bank fraud

Post by GLHS60 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:46 pm

Good, the 19/24 year guideline seemed excessive.

He has another sentencing coming up soon I believe.

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Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:55 pm

Also what ever happened to Manafort's partner Tony Podesta in all of this?

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Re: Paul Manafort gets less than 4 years for tax, bank fraud

Post by j-c-c » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:34 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:32 pm
This is far less than what Mueller wanted.

"Paul Manafort was sentenced Thursday to just under four years in prison for a massive fraud scheme tied to his work as a political consultant for Ukraine’s pro-Russian government, according to reports from the Virginia courthouse.
The 47-month sentence imposed by federal Judge T.S. Ellis III was far below sentencing guidelines of 19-1/2 to 24 years, which Ellis called “excessive.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/paul-mana ... -virginia/
Based on the financial numbers I have heard tossed around the convicted gained, crime does pay, rather nicely.

And most "assume" that Mueller discovered 100% of his ill gotten gains.

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Re: Paul Manafort gets less than 4 years for tax, bank fraud

Post by Dave Koehler » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:32 am

Sounds like any other negotiation.
Prosecution demands life.
Defense demands Probation.
Judge settles on something in between.

However as we have seen with a few exceptions the lighter sentences go to those that have connections and their crimes may be seen as a bit fuzzy.
Fuzzy means we know he did unlawful things and we can't prove all of them but we can latch on to what we can see.
Not that he will do the 4 years (plenty of appeals left) but it can be the same as Life to some people.
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Re: Paul Manafort gets less than 4 years for tax, bank fraud

Post by 1989TransAm » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:12 pm

j-c-c wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:34 am
1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:32 pm
This is far less than what Mueller wanted.

"Paul Manafort was sentenced Thursday to just under four years in prison for a massive fraud scheme tied to his work as a political consultant for Ukraine’s pro-Russian government, according to reports from the Virginia courthouse.
The 47-month sentence imposed by federal Judge T.S. Ellis III was far below sentencing guidelines of 19-1/2 to 24 years, which Ellis called “excessive.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/paul-mana ... -virginia/
Based on the financial numbers I have heard tossed around the convicted gained, crime does pay, rather nicely.

And most "assume" that Mueller discovered 100% of his ill gotten gains.
The Clintons are exhibit A when it comes to ill gotten financial gains.

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Re: Paul Manafort gets less than 4 years for tax, bank fraud

Post by j-c-c » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:12 pm

Dave Koehler wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:32 am
Sounds like any other negotiation.
Prosecution demands life.
Defense demands Probation.
Judge settles on something in between.

However as we have seen with a few exceptions the lighter sentences go to those that have connections and their crimes may be seen as a bit fuzzy.
Fuzzy means we know he did unlawful things and we can't prove all of them but we can latch on to what we can see.
Not that he will do the 4 years (plenty of appeals left) but it can be the same as Life to some people.
When does a conviction warrant a compromise in sentencing?

Never heard of that before.

Would a not guilty verdict warrant the same sentencing compromise? :lol:

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Post by TrOll » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:21 am

Manafort is 69 years old and his health is failing, likely due to the solitary confinement he's been subjected to since his bail was revoked! In his last few court appearances he's been confined to a wheel chair because he's not able to walk.

Having said that, a 4 year sentence is likely to be "life" because he's probably going to die before he gets out. That and he hasn't been sentenced yet for the other charges he was convicted of.

Once all his trials and sentencing is done, I look for President Trump to commute his sentences, not pardon him so he doesn't die in prison!
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Post by Alan Roehrich » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:10 pm

What it amounts to is Mueller getting called on his insane over reach. The judge, quite accurately, noted that what Mueller was asking for was about ten times the usual sentence for the stated offenses. What is going on is Mueller is attempting to extort bogus confessions by charging crimes well outside the scope of his investigation, and trying to get ludicrous sentences. It's prosecutorial misconduct, and a no nonsense judge called him on it. Mueller has absolutely nothing with regards to "Russian collusion", he and his democrat handlers are desperate to find anything. If they want to find real Russian collusion, they need to look at the millions of dollars the Russians gave Hillary in order to get the right to buy U.S. uranium.

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Post by Firedome8 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:31 pm

Alan Roehrich wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:10 pm
What it amounts to is Mueller getting called on his insane over reach. The judge, quite accurately, noted that what Mueller was asking for was about ten times the usual sentence for the stated offenses. What is going on is Mueller is attempting to extort bogus confessions by charging crimes well outside the scope of his investigation, and trying to get ludicrous sentences. It's prosecutorial misconduct, and a no nonsense judge called him on it. Mueller has absolutely nothing with regards to "Russian collusion", he and his democrat handlers are desperate to find anything. If they want to find real Russian collusion, they need to look at the millions of dollars the Russians gave Hillary in order to get the right to buy U.S. uranium.
Who signed off on the Uranium 1 deal ?

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Post by TrOll » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:53 pm

Firedome8 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:31 pm
Alan Roehrich wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:10 pm
What it amounts to is Mueller getting called on his insane over reach. The judge, quite accurately, noted that what Mueller was asking for was about ten times the usual sentence for the stated offenses. What is going on is Mueller is attempting to extort bogus confessions by charging crimes well outside the scope of his investigation, and trying to get ludicrous sentences. It's prosecutorial misconduct, and a no nonsense judge called him on it. Mueller has absolutely nothing with regards to "Russian collusion", he and his democrat handlers are desperate to find anything. If they want to find real Russian collusion, they need to look at the millions of dollars the Russians gave Hillary in order to get the right to buy U.S. uranium.
Who signed off on the Uranium 1 deal ?
Typical dumb ass, like you couldn't do a google search and find that out for yourself? And you point is?? :roll: Yet you continue to find other peoples articles that you copy and paste here WITHOUT ever giving the author credit for their copyrighted work?

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/
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Re: Paul Manafort gets less than 4 years for tax, bank fraud

Post by j-c-c » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:00 pm

TrOll wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:53 pm
Firedome8 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:31 pm
Alan Roehrich wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:10 pm
What it amounts to is Mueller getting called on his insane over reach. The judge, quite accurately, noted that what Mueller was asking for was about ten times the usual sentence for the stated offenses. What is going on is Mueller is attempting to extort bogus confessions by charging crimes well outside the scope of his investigation, and trying to get ludicrous sentences. It's prosecutorial misconduct, and a no nonsense judge called him on it. Mueller has absolutely nothing with regards to "Russian collusion", he and his democrat handlers are desperate to find anything. If they want to find real Russian collusion, they need to look at the millions of dollars the Russians gave Hillary in order to get the right to buy U.S. uranium.
Who signed off on the Uranium 1 deal ?
Typical dumb ass, like you couldn't do a google search and find that out for yourself? And you point is?? :roll: Yet you continue to find other peoples articles that you copy and paste here WITHOUT ever giving the author credit for their copyrighted work?

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/
Do we have a new self proclaimed Copyright NAZI in our midst? :shock:

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Post by 1989TransAm » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:05 pm

You got caught moron. :^o [-X ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Post by Firedome8 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:15 am

Firedome8 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:31 pm
Alan Roehrich wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:10 pm
What it amounts to is Mueller getting called on his insane over reach. The judge, quite accurately, noted that what Mueller was asking for was about ten times the usual sentence for the stated offenses. What is going on is Mueller is attempting to extort bogus confessions by charging crimes well outside the scope of his investigation, and trying to get ludicrous sentences. It's prosecutorial misconduct, and a no nonsense judge called him on it. Mueller has absolutely nothing with regards to "Russian collusion", he and his democrat handlers are desperate to find anything. If they want to find real Russian collusion, they need to look at the millions of dollars the Russians gave Hillary in order to get the right to buy U.S. uranium.
Who signed off on the Uranium 1 deal ?
Again who signed off.. lol

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Re: Paul Manafort gets less than 4 years for tax, bank fraud

Post by Firedome8 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:38 am

TrOll wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:53 pm
Firedome8 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:31 pm
Alan Roehrich wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:10 pm
What it amounts to is Mueller getting called on his insane over reach. The judge, quite accurately, noted that what Mueller was asking for was about ten times the usual sentence for the stated offenses. What is going on is Mueller is attempting to extort bogus confessions by charging crimes well outside the scope of his investigation, and trying to get ludicrous sentences. It's prosecutorial misconduct, and a no nonsense judge called him on it. Mueller has absolutely nothing with regards to "Russian collusion", he and his democrat handlers are desperate to find anything. If they want to find real Russian collusion, they need to look at the millions of dollars the Russians gave Hillary in order to get the right to buy U.S. uranium.
Who signed off on the Uranium 1 deal ?
Typical dumb ass, like you couldn't do a google search and find that out for yourself? And you point is?? :roll: Yet you continue to find other peoples articles that you copy and paste here WITHOUT ever giving the author credit for their copyrighted work?

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/
Try to say something intelligent with out ad hominem attacks that come from your weak position. You missed the point completely. So who signed off on Uranium 1 deal ? Obviously you have no f idea whatsoever you just like parroting right wing radio or your comprehension skills are lacking. So try harder next time little guy.

Oh last but not least fuc$ u.


For this and other reasons, we have written that Trump is wrong to claim that Clinton “gave away 20 percent of the uranium in the United States” to Russia. Clinton could have objected — as could the eight other voting members — but that objection alone wouldn’t have stopped the sale of the stake of Uranium One to Rosatom.

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