Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

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Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by 1989TransAm » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:35 am

"A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border to stop migrant caravan; A majority of all Americans support troops at the border; Half of women agree with the deployment of troops

A new Zogby Analytics nationwide survey of 866 likely voters, with a margin of error of +/-3.3%, conducted 10/30/18-10/31/18, shows a majority (57%) of Americans support the military's decision to send thousands of troops to the border to prevent a migrant caravan, numbered in the thousands, from entering the U.S. illegally. More than two in five disagree with the military deployment to the border.
Support for the military deployment to the border was pretty widespread demographically. Majorities of voters in the east, south, and central regions (56-62% agree/38-44% disagree) supported the deployment of troops. The only region where there was a majority who disagreed was in the west (51% disagree/49% agree).
As for environs, majorities of likely voters in large cities (55% agreed/46% disagreed), small cities (67% disagree/34% agree), suburbs (56% disagree/44% agree), and rural communities (57% disagree/44% agree) agree with the deployment of troops to prevent a large caravan of migrants from entering the U.S.
Among political parties, Democrats were most likely to disagree (69%), but 31% of Democrats did agree with sending troops to the U.S. - Mexico border. Republicans overwhelmingly support (91%) sending the military to the border. Independents were also in support of sending the military (53%) …"

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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by mk e » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:45 am

You must have forgot to post this part
Ethnicity was another area where there was more agreement than expected. A majority of African Americans disagree (59%) compared to 41% who agree. Interestingly, 51% of Hispanic respondents agree with the deployment of troops to the border to halt the migrant caravan; slightly less than half (49%) disagree. Also, 30% of Hispanics strongly agree compared to 28% who strongly disagree. It must also be noted that the sample of Hispanic respondents carries a larger margin of error (+/-10%), but nonetheless, the numbers do represent a significant finding.
MoE is pretty important when you talk about polls. Rumps victory was within 1SD on polling with a 3%MoE which is basically 2 SDs.....a 51/49 poll with 10 point MoE tell you to get a bigger sample and not much else.
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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by rebelrouser » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:03 am

Just to chime in, do the research before you believe posted numbers Zogby analytics does not have a good reputation for being accurate they are rated a C for accuracy. They on average only called 78% of political races accurately. So do you believe the numbers because they fit your political views or because they are accurate?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by 1989TransAm » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:19 pm

rebelrouser wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:03 am
Just to chime in, do the research before you believe posted numbers Zogby analytics does not have a good reputation for being accurate they are rated a C for accuracy. They on average only called 78% of political races accurately. So do you believe the numbers because they fit your political views or because they are accurate?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
You linking 538 is downright laughable. :D

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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by gmrocket » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:36 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:19 pm
rebelrouser wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:03 am
Just to chime in, do the research before you believe posted numbers Zogby analytics does not have a good reputation for being accurate they are rated a C for accuracy. They on average only called 78% of political races accurately. So do you believe the numbers because they fit your political views or because they are accurate?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
You linking 538 is downright laughable. :D
i think 538 had hillary at 90%+ :oops:

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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by mk e » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:44 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:36 pm

i think 538 had hillary at 90%+ :oops:
Her best was close to 70, she was low 60s% it the final days.
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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by gmrocket » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:50 pm

mk e wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:44 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:36 pm

i think 538 had hillary at 90%+ :oops:
Her best was close to 70, she was low 60s% it the final days.
i heard she lost :oops: :lol:

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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by mk e » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:00 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:50 pm

i heard she lost :oops: :lol:
That's kind of the point, polls are about probably not certainty which is why they (538) pull them all together and report odds more than absolute numbers which are meaningless. When you are up 3 in a poll with a MoE of 3....you may not be up at all and are only a small favorite odds wise. When you are up 1 in a poll with a MoE of 10 no meaningful odds can even be set without more data like how accurate has the groups polling proven in the past, not very in the case of Zogby so it's a set aside and wait for additional polls kind of result. Such are polls.
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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by gmrocket » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:10 pm

mk e wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:00 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:50 pm

i heard she lost :oops: :lol:
That's kind of the point, polls are about probably not certainty which is why they (538) pull them all together and report odds more than absolute numbers which are meaningless. When you are up 3 in a poll with a MoE of 3....you may not be up at all and are only a small favorite odds wise. When you are up 1 in a poll with a MoE of 10 no meaningful odds can even be set without more data like how accurate has the groups polling proven in the past, not very in the case of Zogby so it's a set aside and wait for additional polls kind of result. Such are polls.
538 gatthered all the garbage, mixed it up into a big can.. and spit out an average garbage number.

About the only one in the mix that was close.. Rasmussen. But when all the others were bs in the mix.. you know what happened

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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by mk e » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:20 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:10 pm
Rasmussen. But when all the others were bs in the mix.. you know what happened
Rasmussen called the election for Hillary, 538 did not. Just sayin.....
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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by gmrocket » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:59 pm

mk e wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:20 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:10 pm
Rasmussen. But when all the others were bs in the mix.. you know what happened
Rasmussen called the election for Hillary, 538 did not. Just sayin.....
The poles I was fallowing showed Rasmussen had trump way different than all the others..he was a plus when all other pollsters were showing him negative

On another automotive board I kept pointing out how in the 538 mish mash, Rasmussen stood out as the only one showing Trump gaining..they were usually 5 to 10 points + on trump compared to all others

Nate silvers 538 is the biggest load of horshyt .. he takes a bunch of junk left leaning pollsters, puts them in a garbage can,, pi s s e s in it for good luck, flicks a couple boogers in there too.. then mixes it all up and it spits out garbage

You were probably watching the left wing version, so that's why your so f'd up

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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by mk e » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:35 am

gmrocket wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:59 pm
mk e wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:20 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:10 pm
Rasmussen. But when all the others were bs in the mix.. you know what happened
Rasmussen called the election for Hillary, 538 did not. Just sayin.....
The poles I was fallowing showed Rasmussen had trump way different than all the others..he was a plus when all other pollsters were showing him negative
and yet 538 kept saying its just a probability and not a prediction of how the election will turn out and Rasmussen had it at Hillary by 2 in there final poll and called the election for her.

Rasmussen scores lower in the 538 rating because overall they are not particularly accurate and are prone to whats called "herding"...this is where they adjust the analysis towards the end of the election to get results that better align with other polls. Herding lets them publish results that tell you what you want to hear leading up the election then move to the average to give them the best shot at a correct final number....its about creating loyal views so they make money.
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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by 1989TransAm » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:44 am

Blacks for Trump. :D
Blacks for Trump.jpg

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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by mk e » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:57 am

Most likely come 2020 8-10% of blacks and about 40% of whites will vote Rump against their personal economic best interests.
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Re: Zogby Poll®: A majority of Hispanic respondents support the deployment of troops to the border

Post by gmrocket » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:54 pm

mk e wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:35 am
gmrocket wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:59 pm
mk e wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:20 pm


Rasmussen called the election for Hillary, 538 did not. Just sayin.....
The poles I was fallowing showed Rasmussen had trump way different than all the others..he was a plus when all other pollsters were showing him negative
and yet 538 kept saying its just a probability and not a prediction of how the election will turn out and Rasmussen had it at Hillary by 2 in there final poll and called the election for her.

Rasmussen scores lower in the 538 rating because overall they are not particularly accurate and are prone to whats called "herding"...this is where they adjust the analysis towards the end of the election to get results that better align with other polls. Herding lets them publish results that tell you what you want to hear leading up the election then move to the average to give them the best shot at a correct final number....its about creating loyal views so they make money.
Coming from the worst predictor in the world.. I'm gonna say your full of shyt

And dead wrong, like usual

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