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Re: Trump says climate change not a hoax, not sure of its source

Post by Kevin Johnson » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:00 am

GRTfast wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:52 pm
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This is like the forth time in a month that someone has said that BS on here. This is why I can’t take any of you guys seriously. You’re just wrong, over and over. The problem is, there’s enough of you that you begin to beleive yourselves.

There was never a time in the 70’s where the consensus was that we were “decades from an ice age”. The vast majority of scientific studies and articles back them were predicting warming. A small minority talked about cooling, and were proven wrong. A Time magazine cover said something about global cooling. It was the media propagating a minority opinion. Educate yourself. Or don’t.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10 ... nload=true
:lol: I have the sense that people do not read some of my citations.

I am shocked.

Months back I posted a link to an MIT PhD thesis (so peer-reviewed). That thesis predates the 2008 article linked above by 31 years and is particularly relevant since it was actually written during the 1970s as a meta-analysis of existing contemporary literature.

There is no mystery as to what references the candidate used (listed below). Here is the abstract, i.e. a brief synopsis of his findings [my emphasis]:

(A consensus either way? I do not think so.)
CLIMATE PREDICTABILITY AND SIMULATION
WITH A GLOBAL CLIMATE MODEL

by
ALAN DAVID ROBOCK

Submitted to the Department of Meteorology.on May 5, 1977 in partial
fulfillment of the requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy

ABSTRACT

Various theories of both internal and external causes of climate
change on the time scale of 100 years are critically examined. Volcanic
dust; solar variation; anthropogenic carbon dioxide, aerosols and heat;
and stochastic variability (almost intransitivity) are all considered
plausible. Data on the past variations of these forcings are collected.
Observational data on climate change during the past are also assembled,
and the sources of error in the data are evaluated.

A seasonal, zonally-averaged, vertically-averaged, highly-parameterizpd
numerical model, similar to that of Sellers (1973, 1974) is used
to test the above theories of climate change. The model simulates the
present climate fairly well, but several improvements are suggested for
further studies with the model. These include more accurate formulations
of cryospheric and other seasonal variations, radiative flux, and oceanic
heat flux and mixed layer depth variations.

Results show that volcanic dust and the natural atmospheric variability
are sufficient to explain the observed Northern Hemisphere climate
change of the past 100 years. Solar variation may have contributed
to the Little Ice Age, but its influence is not evident during the past
100 years. Anthropogenic carbon dioxide has a much larger effect than
anthropogenic heat, and is just now becoming important enough to cause
climate change. Anthropogenic aerosols are insufficiently understood to
determine their effects, but may cancel out the warming effects of carbon
dioxide and heat.


Thesis Supervisor: Edward N. Lorenz

Title: Professor of Meteorology
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Re: Trump says climate change not a hoax, not sure of its source

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The sheep would rather believe al gore and bill nye

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Re: Trump says climate change not a hoax, not sure of its source

Post by lefty o » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:13 am

Kevin Johnson wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:00 am
GRTfast wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:52 pm
...
This is like the forth time in a month that someone has said that BS on here. This is why I can’t take any of you guys seriously. You’re just wrong, over and over. The problem is, there’s enough of you that you begin to beleive yourselves.

There was never a time in the 70’s where the consensus was that we were “decades from an ice age”. The vast majority of scientific studies and articles back them were predicting warming. A small minority talked about cooling, and were proven wrong. A Time magazine cover said something about global cooling. It was the media propagating a minority opinion. Educate yourself. Or don’t.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10 ... nload=true
:lol: I have the sense that people do not read some of my citations.

I am shocked.

Months back I posted a link to an MIT PhD thesis (so peer-reviewed). That thesis predates the 2008 article linked above by 31 years and is particularly relevant since it was actually written during the 1970s as a meta-analysis of existing contemporary literature.

There is no mystery as to what references the candidate used (listed below). Here is the abstract, i.e. a brief synopsis of his findings [my emphasis]:

(A consensus either way? I do not think so.)
CLIMATE PREDICTABILITY AND SIMULATION
WITH A GLOBAL CLIMATE MODEL

by
ALAN DAVID ROBOCK

Submitted to the Department of Meteorology.on May 5, 1977 in partial
fulfillment of the requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy

ABSTRACT

Various theories of both internal and external causes of climate
change on the time scale of 100 years are critically examined. Volcanic
dust; solar variation; anthropogenic carbon dioxide, aerosols and heat;
and stochastic variability (almost intransitivity) are all considered
plausible. Data on the past variations of these forcings are collected.
Observational data on climate change during the past are also assembled,
and the sources of error in the data are evaluated.

A seasonal, zonally-averaged, vertically-averaged, highly-parameterizpd
numerical model, similar to that of Sellers (1973, 1974) is used
to test the above theories of climate change. The model simulates the
present climate fairly well, but several improvements are suggested for
further studies with the model. These include more accurate formulations
of cryospheric and other seasonal variations, radiative flux, and oceanic
heat flux and mixed layer depth variations.

Results show that volcanic dust and the natural atmospheric variability
are sufficient to explain the observed Northern Hemisphere climate
change of the past 100 years. Solar variation may have contributed
to the Little Ice Age, but its influence is not evident during the past
100 years. Anthropogenic carbon dioxide has a much larger effect than
anthropogenic heat, and is just now becoming important enough to cause
climate change. Anthropogenic aerosols are insufficiently understood to
determine their effects, but may cancel out the warming effects of carbon
dioxide and heat.


Thesis Supervisor: Edward N. Lorenz

Title: Professor of Meteorology
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a lot of that was covered in the links he put forth too, but he doesnt read his own crap. just scans over it and runs his mouth.

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Re: Trump says climate change not a hoax, not sure of its source

Post by GRTfast » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:24 pm

Kevin Johnson wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:00 am
GRTfast wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:52 pm
...
This is like the forth time in a month that someone has said that BS on here. This is why I can’t take any of you guys seriously. You’re just wrong, over and over. The problem is, there’s enough of you that you begin to beleive yourselves.

There was never a time in the 70’s where the consensus was that we were “decades from an ice age”. The vast majority of scientific studies and articles back them were predicting warming. A small minority talked about cooling, and were proven wrong. A Time magazine cover said something about global cooling. It was the media propagating a minority opinion. Educate yourself. Or don’t.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10 ... nload=true
:lol: I have the sense that people do not read some of my citations.

I am shocked.

Months back I posted a link to an MIT PhD thesis (so peer-reviewed). That thesis predates the 2008 article linked above by 31 years and is particularly relevant since it was actually written during the 1970s as a meta-analysis of existing contemporary literature.

There is no mystery as to what references the candidate used (listed below). Here is the abstract, i.e. a brief synopsis of his findings [my emphasis]:

(A consensus either way? I do not think so.)
I can admit I misspoke when I said that the "consensus" in the 70's was warming. I should have said that there were significantly more papers during that time were predicting warming than cooling. I'll agree that there wasn't a consensus either way. We have learned a lot since then.

The point I was attempting to make was in opposition to the claim that Lefty made about how the prevailing opinion was cooling. If he didn't say that outright, he certainly inferred it. The links you and I posted both show that claim (or inference) to be incorrect.

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lefty o wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:13 am


a lot of that was covered in the links he put forth too, but he doesnt read his own crap. just scans over it and runs his mouth.
Nah, I read the whole thing. You "run your mouth" as much as anyone around here. Pot, meet kettle.

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gmrocket wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:04 am
The sheep would rather believe al gore and bill nye
Let me know when you see me quote either one of them.

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Post by lefty o » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:59 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:25 pm
lefty o wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:13 am


a lot of that was covered in the links he put forth too, but he doesnt read his own crap. just scans over it and runs his mouth.
Nah, I read the whole thing. You "run your mouth" as much as anyone around here. Pot, meet kettle.
i do, and good to see that you know you do to!

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Post by 1989TransAm » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:05 pm

The whole global warming is based on increased water vapor in the Artic. It does not get quite as cold in the Winter there but the highs in Summer have not increased. When I say quite as cold we are not talking very much of an increase. Maybe like going from -75 degrees to -74 degrees in the Artic. You will still freeze your nuts off if you went there in the Winter.

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Post by GRTfast » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:26 pm

lefty o wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:59 pm
GRTfast wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:25 pm
lefty o wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:13 am


a lot of that was covered in the links he put forth too, but he doesnt read his own crap. just scans over it and runs his mouth.
Nah, I read the whole thing. You "run your mouth" as much as anyone around here. Pot, meet kettle.
i do, and good to see that you know you do to!
:lol:

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Re: Trump says climate change not a hoax, not sure of its source

Post by gmrocket » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:04 pm

i dont think the climate change natzis will be around much longer,,just about every country in the world is turning its back on that crap. its failing everywhere

the carbon pricing scam is collapsing , green companies are losing investors faster than the temp is rising, green agendas are being cancelled all across canada and the usa.

its because people are seeing it for what it is..i big cash and tax grab

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Re: Trump says climate change not a hoax, not sure of its source

Post by lefty o » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:11 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:04 pm
i dont think the climate change natzis will be around much longer,,just about every country in the world is turning its back on that crap. its failing everywhere

the carbon pricing scam is collapsing , green companies are losing investors faster than the temp is rising, green agendas are being cancelled all across canada and the usa.

its because people are seeing it for what it is..i big cash and tax grab
yup, if al gore and his carbon credits scam dont open your eyes, your head is where the sun dont shine.

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Post by RevTheory » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:14 pm

The world would be much better off without the disease of progressivism taking over people's minds.

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Post by gmrocket » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:21 pm

climate gate, the mess that was found with temp data stations that gave false readings over 30 years and about a 100 other things is killing it internally. if the latest IPCC report doesnt wake everyone up...you need your head examined.

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Post by RevTheory » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:42 pm

As it turns out, the "fix" probably isn't going to come from virtue-signaling lefties who depend on fudged data to push their global redistribution of wealth agenda, it'll likely come from *gasp* common sense.

"The return of the trees teaches us a lesson. To reduce our destructive carbon output, the solution is not to reduce economic activity; rather, it's to combine a booming urban economy with smart policies that make growth and ecology work in harmony."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... e26147272/

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Re: Trump says climate change not a hoax, not sure of its source

Post by gmrocket » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:50 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:24 pm
Kevin Johnson wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:00 am
GRTfast wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:52 pm
...
This is like the forth time in a month that someone has said that BS on here. This is why I can’t take any of you guys seriously. You’re just wrong, over and over. The problem is, there’s enough of you that you begin to beleive yourselves.

There was never a time in the 70’s where the consensus was that we were “decades from an ice age”. The vast majority of scientific studies and articles back them were predicting warming. A small minority talked about cooling, and were proven wrong. A Time magazine cover said something about global cooling. It was the media propagating a minority opinion. Educate yourself. Or don’t.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10 ... nload=true
:lol: I have the sense that people do not read some of my citations.

I am shocked.

Months back I posted a link to an MIT PhD thesis (so peer-reviewed). That thesis predates the 2008 article linked above by 31 years and is particularly relevant since it was actually written during the 1970s as a meta-analysis of existing contemporary literature.

There is no mystery as to what references the candidate used (listed below). Here is the abstract, i.e. a brief synopsis of his findings [my emphasis]:

(A consensus either way? I do not think so.)
I can admit I misspoke when I said that the "consensus" in the 70's was warming. I should have said that there were significantly more papers during that time were predicting warming than cooling. I'll agree that there wasn't a consensus either way. We have learned a lot since then.

The point I was attempting to make was in opposition to the claim that Lefty made about how the prevailing opinion was cooling. If he didn't say that outright, he certainly inferred it. The links you and I posted both show that claim (or inference) to be incorrect.
what about my apology? you said i was full of shyt when i said there was a global cooling narrative back then?

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