North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

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North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

Post by sanfordandson » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:28 pm

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Trumptards fell for this one HARD! #-o
More than a month after North Korea pledged to immediately return some American war dead, the promise is unfulfilled.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who traveled to Pyongyang this month to press the North Koreans further, said Wednesday the return could begin "in the next couple of weeks." But it could take months or years to positively identify the bones as those of specific American servicemen.

In a joint statement at their Singapore summit, President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un committed to recovering the remains of prisoners of war and those missing in action decades after the Korean War — "including the immediate repatriation of those already identified."

That was more than a month ago, on June 12. Although Trump said eight days later that the repatriation had happened, it had not. It still has not. So, it was not "immediate," though the Stars and Stripes newspaper reported from South Korea on Tuesday that the North has agreed to transfer as many as 55 sets of remains next week. The Pentagon and the State Department declined to comment on any specifics promised by the North.

"We're making progress along the border to get the return of remains, a very important issue for those families," Pompeo said Wednesday at the White House. "I think in the next couple of weeks we'll have the first remains returned, that's the commitment, so progress certainly being made there."

Likely also to prove untrue is the part of the Trump-Kim statement that said the North had war remains "already identified." It apparently has bones and perhaps associated personal effects, but history shows that any remains handed over by the North are likely to be difficult to identify. In recent days the State Department has changed that phrase to "already collected," suggesting it realized the remains have not been identified.

"There are no missing Americans who have been 'already identified' by the DPRK (North Korea) to be repatriated," says Paul Cole, who has researched POW-MIA issues from the Korean War for decades and served for four years as a scientific fellow at the Pentagon's Central Identification Laboratory in Hawaii. He said this element of the Singapore statement "reflects a near total ignorance of the role of science" in accounting for war dead.

There is even some doubt that any remains turned over would be of Americans. Trump admitted as much in a CBS News interview July 14.

"You know, remains are complicated," he said. "Some of the remains, they don't even know if they are remains."

That's a big step back from his false assertion June 20 in Duluth, Minnesota: "We got back our great fallen heroes, the remains sent back today, already 200 got sent back."

Richard Downes, whose father, Air Force Lt. Hal Downes, is among the Korean War missing, says hopes may have been raised too quickly.

"Yes, the Singapore statement overpromised," he said, "exacerbated by our hope that it was accurate."

Hope has long sustained Downes and thousands of other Americans who seek closure after decades of uncertainty about a relative missing from the war. The Pentagon says 7,699 U.S. servicemen are missing from Korea, including about 5,300 believed to be in the North. Downes, 70, was 3½ when his father's B-26 Invader went down on Jan. 13, 1952, northeast of Pyongyang, the North Korean capital. His family was left to wonder about his fate. Downes is now executive director of the Coalition of Families of Korean and Cold War POW/MIAs, which advocates for remains recovery.

The Singapore statement may yet prove to be an important breakthrough. Bringing its promise to fruition, however, is proving harder than Trump made it seem.

As Mark Fitzpatrick of the International Institute for Strategic Studies put it in a web essay last week, "What was supposed to be the easiest item on the United States-North Korea negotiations agenda — the return of Korean War soldiers' remains — is proving to be yet another sticking point."

Beyond the promised initial return of remains that the North may have been holding in storage for years, the State Department said Sunday the two sides have agreed to restart searches for burial locations of U.S. war remains in North Korea. That effort was suspended by the U.S. in 2005. This raises another delicate issue to be negotiated: how much the U.S. would pay the North for this access. In the past it has paid millions, saying the money was "fair and reasonable compensation" for the North's help, not payment for bones or information.

In Fitzpatrick's view, the North has dangled the promise of war remains as bait to attain political objectives such as progress toward a peace treaty to replace the armistice agreement that ended the fighting on the Korean Peninsula in July 1953. The North sees this political objective as an essential element of ending what it calls Washington's hostile policy toward the North, which in turn is linked to its willingness to give up its nuclear weapons.

The Singapore summit was mainly about Trump's push to rid North Korea of its nuclear weapons. He said afterward there was no longer a nuclear threat from the North, though Kim agreed only to "work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula," and no detailed plan has been worked out. On Tuesday, Trump seemed to reveal his own doubts about timing. He told reporters, "We have no rush for speed," adding, "We're just going through the process."

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Re: North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

Post by Dave Koehler » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:49 pm

Did someone think this was going to happen on some kind of schedule? That's just naive.
Nam remains took years to find their way home and that was even after we made semi-nice with the north again.
Many more have yet to be found. Heck, every once in a while we read about a WW2 guy getting found.
It will happen most likely but not fast enough for the instant gratification crowd.

I wonder what the Japanese think about this.
Consider all their troops entombed in those South Pacific cave systems.
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Re: North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

Post by sanfordandson » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:56 pm

Dave Koehler wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:49 pm
Did someone think this was going to happen on some kind of schedule? That's just naive.
Some on here claimed it was happening already. Yes I agree very naive.

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Post by lefty o » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:03 pm

very naive to think your gong to go dig up that many bodies instantly!

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Re: North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

Post by mk e » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:03 pm

Dave Koehler wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:49 pm
Did someone think this was going to happen on some kind of schedule? That's just naive.
Thinking NK will do anything they promise is pretty naive....its a game they play so smart presidents pretty much ignore them, but say thank you when something we want actually happens.
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Re: North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:38 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:56 pm
Dave Koehler wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:49 pm
Did someone think this was going to happen on some kind of schedule? That's just naive.
Some on here claimed it was happening already. Yes I agree very naive.
The process is happening you nitwit. Had a story about it the other day.

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Re: North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:41 pm

mk e wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:03 pm
Dave Koehler wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:49 pm
Did someone think this was going to happen on some kind of schedule? That's just naive.
Thinking NK will do anything they promise is pretty naive....its a game they play so smart presidents pretty much ignore them, but say thank you when something we want actually happens.
Now that statement is just plain stupid. President Trump has always stated that North Korea may back out of the deal. That is why the sanctions are still in place. The only concession we have made is not to hold the war games in South Korea. Those war games can be restarted in a heartbeat. You are slipping badly. #-o

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Post by j-c-c » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:35 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:41 pm
mk e wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:03 pm
Dave Koehler wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:49 pm
Did someone think this was going to happen on some kind of schedule? That's just naive.
Thinking NK will do anything they promise is pretty naive....its a game they play so smart presidents pretty much ignore them, but say thank you when something we want actually happens.
Now that statement is just plain stupid. President Trump has always stated that North Korea may back out of the deal. That is why the sanctions are still in place. The only concession we have made is not to hold the war games in South Korea. Those war games can be restarted in a heartbeat. You are slipping badly. #-o
Wrong, We conceded our stature as a principled world leader not easily played.

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Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:42 pm

j-c-c wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:35 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:41 pm
mk e wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:03 pm


Thinking NK will do anything they promise is pretty naive....its a game they play so smart presidents pretty much ignore them, but say thank you when something we want actually happens.
Now that statement is just plain stupid. President Trump has always stated that North Korea may back out of the deal. That is why the sanctions are still in place. The only concession we have made is not to hold the war games in South Korea. Those war games can be restarted in a heartbeat. You are slipping badly. #-o
Wrong, We conceded our stature as a principled world leader not easily played.
How did we do that? Was it by trying to get nukes off the Korean Peninsula? Was it by getting 3 Americans released from North Korean prisons?

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Re: North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

Post by mk e » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:16 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:42 pm
j-c-c wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:35 pm


Wrong, We conceded our stature as a principled world leader not easily played.
How did we do that? Was it by trying to get nukes off the Korean Peninsula? Was it by getting 3 Americans released from North Korean prisons?
By letting Litl'Kim yank him around like he his b!tch. It was a disgusting spectacle which hes repeated multiple times with Putin. Rump has real issues and has dragged the US to global disrespect. Seeing the weakness of the oblahblah years has sad, but this is just plain sickening.
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Re: North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

Post by j-c-c » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:36 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:42 pm
j-c-c wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:35 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:41 pm


Now that statement is just plain stupid. President Trump has always stated that North Korea may back out of the deal. That is why the sanctions are still in place. The only concession we have made is not to hold the war games in South Korea. Those war games can be restarted in a heartbeat. You are slipping badly. #-o
Wrong, We conceded our stature as a principled world leader not easily played.
How did we do that? Was it by trying to get nukes off the Korean Peninsula? Was it by getting 3 Americans released from North Korean prisons?
Asking a legit question? That's Progress.

Its naive to think the damage done by this poorly planned/prepared/ill advised NK recent summit will be immediately obvious.
The three released where never part of the two sided negotiations if I remember correctly, more attributed to "good will", if that is even possible with NK

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Re: North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

Post by mk e » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:41 am

j-c-c wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:36 am

Asking a legit question? That's Progress.

Its naive to think the damage done by this poorly planned/prepared/ill advised NK recent summit will be immediately obvious.
The three released where never part of the two sided negotiations if I remember correctly, more attributed to "good will", if that is even possible with NK
NK routinely grabs US citizens to use as pawns. The focus should never be on the release, it should always remain on the abduction....a crime.
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Post by 1989TransAm » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:23 pm

mk e wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:16 am
1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:42 pm
j-c-c wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:35 pm


Wrong, We conceded our stature as a principled world leader not easily played.
How did we do that? Was it by trying to get nukes off the Korean Peninsula? Was it by getting 3 Americans released from North Korean prisons?
By letting Litl'Kim yank him around like he his b!tch.
Give some examples?

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Post by mk e » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:24 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:23 pm

Give some examples?
You didn't watch the leD up to the on again/off again meeting?
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Re: North Korea hasn't met its promise to return US war remains

Post by 1989TransAm » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:27 pm

mk e wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:24 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:23 pm

Give some examples?
You didn't watch the leD up to the on again/off again meeting?
That is your example. Bwahahahahahaha

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