NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by j-c-c » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:21 pm

lefty o wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:54 am
j-c-c wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:33 am
lefty o wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:23 am


sure jackass, we did nothing for the europeans before our physical entry into the war.
Relatively to their predicament, that is correct,
And Well done on furthering our across the Atlantic members belief on members "obnoxious" behavior, BTW.
no problems, its about time someone woke our so called allies up to real life instead of holding their hands as we have for decades. whats really amazing is you have no problem with the foreigners insulting our country!
I am not of the school that every perceived "insult" does not have a shred of merit. the amount of merit is where most differ, and you might have a different opinion I suspect.
Besides, "insults" say more about the insulter in most cases. :mrgreen:

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by gmrocket » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:23 pm

Belgian1979 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:11 am
Last answer to this :

We have no lessons to learn from the big Ol' US.
My grandfather fought in WW2 as a resistance fighter and was arrested by the Germans and sent to the concentration camps. Luckily he got out because it was at the end of the war or we wouldn't even be here. And yes that were American soldiers and yes we owe the gratitude. But we owe it to the guys that fought, not the policians like that ape, behind their desk.
His dad before him stood in the mud around the IJzer-river in WW1 and stood there for 4 years in the trenches being shot up by German artillery by over 4 years.
Don't tell me we don't know what war is. We know it better than you do.
We are a very little country with not enough money to buy a big machine of war and during the last 1000 we have been occupied more than once by foreign forces : The French, the Spanish, The Germans, The French again, then the Dutch and during WW1 and WW2 the Germans again. We know what war is because we have seen our fellow citizens being slaugtered , our cities shelled and bombed. We know what sacrifice is.
Wars are fought by policians not by people. In Europe we learned not to hold a grudge against people for too long since it will only make things worse especially when politics are involved.

With that circusact that ape pulled this week: I hope that Europe's ways and that of the US part. Right now the US political approach is the aggressor in the world and to be honest, the world is a better place without it. And it will take us time to get back up in Europe and come from under the custody of the US but it's high time we do that.

Where I come from we have this saying and it goes something like this : it doesn't make any difference who rules you, they will always steal your chicken.

I loved being on this forum to discuss technical items, but the way some of you have been treating us is downright abnoxious.
You ungrateful piece of shyt!

You have no idea how many battles were fought to save your sorry azz ..

I dare you and your country to go it alone now, see how well you do. You would be gone in less than 25 years!!

I suggest you read up on your history of how many times Canada, the USA and it's allies rescued your azz ...and you still think you don't need our help...your a pethetic week azz country..

Wonder why the Dutch , to this day, still have a huge celebration and a national holiday to thank the Canadians and its allies for saving them?

It's because they are appreciative, unlike you.

I'll give you a history lesson
40,000.00 Belgiums were killed during WW2

45,000.00 Canadians were killed defending you from the Germans, another 55,000.00 were injured!!! Our countries were of similar populations back then, so we had more die and get wounded than you did,,we were protecting you and liberated your country!!

Back then in war times 10% of our population was inlisted in active duty...I doubt your country was anywhere near that, or you wouldn't have needed our help..says a lot about laziness and the will to fight for ones country

I had ancestors die in the war, defending you , so you can insult me in 2018...wonderful

Your are one big ignorant, arrogant European prvck

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by j-c-c » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:04 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:23 pm
Belgian1979 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:11 am
Last answer to this :

We have no lessons to learn from the big Ol' US.
My grandfather fought in WW2 as a resistance fighter and was arrested by the Germans and sent to the concentration camps. Luckily he got out because it was at the end of the war or we wouldn't even be here. And yes that were American soldiers and yes we owe the gratitude. But we owe it to the guys that fought, not the policians like that ape, behind their desk.
His dad before him stood in the mud around the IJzer-river in WW1 and stood there for 4 years in the trenches being shot up by German artillery by over 4 years.
Don't tell me we don't know what war is. We know it better than you do.
We are a very little country with not enough money to buy a big machine of war and during the last 1000 we have been occupied more than once by foreign forces : The French, the Spanish, The Germans, The French again, then the Dutch and during WW1 and WW2 the Germans again. We know what war is because we have seen our fellow citizens being slaugtered , our cities shelled and bombed. We know what sacrifice is.
Wars are fought by policians not by people. In Europe we learned not to hold a grudge against people for too long since it will only make things worse especially when politics are involved.

With that circusact that ape pulled this week: I hope that Europe's ways and that of the US part. Right now the US political approach is the aggressor in the world and to be honest, the world is a better place without it. And it will take us time to get back up in Europe and come from under the custody of the US but it's high time we do that.

Where I come from we have this saying and it goes something like this : it doesn't make any difference who rules you, they will always steal your chicken.

I loved being on this forum to discuss technical items, but the way some of you have been treating us is downright abnoxious.
You ungrateful piece of shyt!

You have no idea how many battles were fought to save your sorry azz ..

I dare you and your country to go it alone now, see how well you do. You would be gone in less than 25 years!!

I suggest you read up on your history of how many times Canada, the USA and it's allies rescued your azz ...and you still think you don't need our help...your a pethetic week azz country..

Wonder why the Dutch , to this day, still have a huge celebration and a national holiday to thank the Canadians and its allies for saving them?

It's because they are appreciative, unlike you.

I'll give you a history lesson
40,000.00 Belgiums were killed during WW2

45,000.00 Canadians were killed defending you from the Germans, another 55,000.00 were injured!!! Our countries were of similar populations back then, so we had more die and get wounded than you did,,we were protecting you and liberated your country!!

I had ancestors die in the war, defending you , so you can insult me in 2018...wonderful

Your are one big ignorant, arrogant European prvck
300+ million in the US, there is always one in the crowd. I apologize on his behalf.

And tell us what sacrifice you personally made to enhance your position, other then maybe just being born in the USA by dumb luck?

Your numbers are slightly off BTW.

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by gmrocket » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:14 pm

j-c-c wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:04 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:23 pm
Belgian1979 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:11 am
Last answer to this :

We have no lessons to learn from the big Ol' US.
My grandfather fought in WW2 as a resistance fighter and was arrested by the Germans and sent to the concentration camps. Luckily he got out because it was at the end of the war or we wouldn't even be here. And yes that were American soldiers and yes we owe the gratitude. But we owe it to the guys that fought, not the policians like that ape, behind their desk.
His dad before him stood in the mud around the IJzer-river in WW1 and stood there for 4 years in the trenches being shot up by German artillery by over 4 years.
Don't tell me we don't know what war is. We know it better than you do.
We are a very little country with not enough money to buy a big machine of war and during the last 1000 we have been occupied more than once by foreign forces : The French, the Spanish, The Germans, The French again, then the Dutch and during WW1 and WW2 the Germans again. We know what war is because we have seen our fellow citizens being slaugtered , our cities shelled and bombed. We know what sacrifice is.
Wars are fought by policians not by people. In Europe we learned not to hold a grudge against people for too long since it will only make things worse especially when politics are involved.

With that circusact that ape pulled this week: I hope that Europe's ways and that of the US part. Right now the US political approach is the aggressor in the world and to be honest, the world is a better place without it. And it will take us time to get back up in Europe and come from under the custody of the US but it's high time we do that.

Where I come from we have this saying and it goes something like this : it doesn't make any difference who rules you, they will always steal your chicken.

I loved being on this forum to discuss technical items, but the way some of you have been treating us is downright abnoxious.
You ungrateful piece of shyt!

You have no idea how many battles were fought to save your sorry azz ..

I dare you and your country to go it alone now, see how well you do. You would be gone in less than 25 years!!

I suggest you read up on your history of how many times Canada, the USA and it's allies rescued your azz ...and you still think you don't need our help...your a pethetic week azz country..

Wonder why the Dutch , to this day, still have a huge celebration and a national holiday to thank the Canadians and its allies for saving them?

It's because they are appreciative, unlike you.

I'll give you a history lesson
40,000.00 Belgiums were killed during WW2

45,000.00 Canadians were killed defending you from the Germans, another 55,000.00 were injured!!! Our countries were of similar populations back then, so we had more die and get wounded than you did,,we were protecting you and liberated your country!!

I had ancestors die in the war, defending you , so you can insult me in 2018...wonderful

Your are one big ignorant, arrogant European prvck
300+ million in the US, there is always one in the crowd. I apologize on his behalf.

And tell us what sacrifice you personally made to enhance your position, other then maybe just being born in the USA by dumb luck?

Your numbers are slightly off BTW.
I'm not a US citizen...so your apology is kinda wierd &dead wrong...it shows you didn't read or understand my post..as usual

My numbers are correct for Canada...

I wasn't around during WW2, but if I was ...I would have been subscribed to fight for my country. I don't see any problem with that, then or now...except I would include woman in the draft now. I'm sure they would agree

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by David Redszus » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:46 pm

Perhaps someone should point out that the US had to defend itself against wars caused by European powers TWICE.
And the US volunteered to defend (and fund) Europe against one of their own TWICE.

When did Europe, and specifically Belgium, ever provide troops and military resources to protect the US?
Not to mention the wasted lives of soldiers who had much better things to do at home.
Apparently you're not afraid to take the money of those bastards you want to spend 4% of their GDP on American made defense products. So much for a fucking double standard.
Whatever made you think that your military expenditures go to the US? All you can think of is high tech weapons systems that you cannot build for yourselves. Most military expenditures are used for salaries, uniforms, training, medical, housing, transportation, fuel and arms depots. Most of your increased military expenditures will be spent in your own country and the EU and not the US. You exhibit the usual behavior pattern of the uninformed: Ready, Fire, Aim...
And as far as the US being under threat : what a fucking joke. You never were under any kind of threat whatsoever.
They only thing you couldn't stand was the threat of communism taking over you sphere of influence.
Where did i say the US is under threat? I said we have been attacked by European nations twice yet have defended European nations twice.

Big ape? Well that's Mr. BIG APE to you. All you have is political pygmies.
Don't tell me we don't know what war is. We know it better than you do.
No you don't know what war is or how to wage war or defend yourselves against war.
We are a very little country with not enough money to buy a big machine of war and during the last 1000 we have been occupied more than once by foreign forces : The French, the Spanish, The Germans, The French again, then the Dutch and during WW1 and WW2 the Germans again.
You don't have enough money to defend yourselves because you piss away your resources on social programs and over tax your citizens reducing productive incentives. You people are losers and your neighbors know it and take advantage of that fact.
We know what war is because we have seen our fellow citizens being slaugtered , our cities shelled and bombed. We know what sacrifice is.
How many Belgians died compared to Americans? Sacrifice? We employed millions of defense plant workers and went on rations to produce weapons to save your asses, not ours. We sacrificed what should have been an affluent lifestyle to produce war materiel that you could not produce. You people owe the Americans a debt of gratitude you can never repay.
Wars are fought by policians not by people. In Europe we learned not to hold a grudge against people for too long since it will only make things worse especially when politics are involved.
Wrong. Wars are started by politicians for political purposes, and fought by average people on both sides. Its your piss poor politicians that started the wars, not ours.
I hope that Europe's ways and that of the US part. Right now the US political approach is the aggressor in the world and to be honest, the world is a better place without it.
Right, it is American immigrants that are killing Europeans in your own cities while you stand helplessly by.
And it will take us time to get back up in Europe and come from under the custody of the US but it's high time we do that.
Back up to what? Europe has been a sorry place since WW2 and there is no end in sight. Your socialist policies will never allow you to improve your sorry way of life.
As a side note, one of the most embarrassing chapters in recent US history is how the US sat on the sidelines for 2 years 3 months and watched Hitler nearly destroy Europe, and we never made a significant sacrifice until the US was attacked 12/7/41.
More silly blather. You expose your considerable ignorance on the subject. Considering the lack of military preparation of the US, it took a few years to convert from a peacetime economy and ramp up to a war time economy and to recruit and train troops. In 1941, Hitler's effect on Europe was positive, not negative; having been named TIME magazine man of the year just a few years earlier.

If you, or anyone else is going to speak critically of the US and Trump, which is your right (at least in the US and not so in much of the rest of the world) go ahead, but please get your facts straight and stop lying.
Ooops, i forgot lying is embedded in a liberals DNA. They have nothing else.

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by gmrocket » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:08 pm

I say we should cut every sorry liberal European country loose.. let them fend for themselves

The smart ones like Poland and a few others who "get it" are the ones who deserve and should recive military support as long as they live up to the promises of the gdp spending...

The way Europe is imploding before our eyes, it won't take long for those winey leftists to come begging for help.....again.

Thanks to the lefties in Belgium, that small country is the hot bed for producing radical Islamists...that will be their own undoing.

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by j-c-c » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:01 pm

gmrocket wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:14 pm
j-c-c wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:04 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:23 pm


You ungrateful piece of shyt!

You have no idea how many battles were fought to save your sorry azz ..

I dare you and your country to go it alone now, see how well you do. You would be gone in less than 25 years!!

I suggest you read up on your history of how many times Canada, the USA and it's allies rescued your azz ...and you still think you don't need our help...your a pethetic week azz country..

Wonder why the Dutch , to this day, still have a huge celebration and a national holiday to thank the Canadians and its allies for saving them?

It's because they are appreciative, unlike you.

I'll give you a history lesson
40,000.00 Belgiums were killed during WW2

45,000.00 Canadians were killed defending you from the Germans, another 55,000.00 were injured!!! Our countries were of similar populations back then, so we had more die and get wounded than you did,,we were protecting you and liberated your country!!

I had ancestors die in the war, defending you , so you can insult me in 2018...wonderful

Your are one big ignorant, arrogant European prvck
300+ million in the US, there is always one in the crowd. I apologize on his behalf.

And tell us what sacrifice you personally made to enhance your position, other then maybe just being born in the USA by dumb luck?

Your numbers are slightly off BTW.
I'm not a US citizen...so your apology is kinda wierd &dead wrong...it shows you didn't read or understand my post..as usual

My numbers are correct for Canada...

I wasn't around during WW2, but if I was ...I would have been subscribed to fight for my country. I don't see any problem with that, then or now...except I would include woman in the draft now. I'm sure they would agree
You mentioned Canada and others a number of times, never mentioned what country exactly you claim to be a citizen of.

So what country do you owe your allegiance to?

I feel sorry they have such an arrogant disrespectful citizen, if you were US, I'd be more blunt.

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by gmrocket » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:37 pm

j-c-c wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:01 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:14 pm
j-c-c wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:04 pm


300+ million in the US, there is always one in the crowd. I apologize on his behalf.

And tell us what sacrifice you personally made to enhance your position, other then maybe just being born in the USA by dumb luck?

Your numbers are slightly off BTW.
I'm not a US citizen...so your apology is kinda wierd &dead wrong...it shows you didn't read or understand my post..as usual

My numbers are correct for Canada...

I wasn't around during WW2, but if I was ...I would have been subscribed to fight for my country. I don't see any problem with that, then or now...except I would include woman in the draft now. I'm sure they would agree
You mentioned Canada and others a number of times, never mentioned what country exactly you claim to be a citizen of.

So what country do you owe your allegiance to?

I feel sorry they have such an arrogant disrespectful citizen, if you were US, I'd be more blunt.
Sure sounds like I got you pegged huh?

More lefty insults cuz you have nothing...you have an empty soal who cannot think for yourself .

You actually think Obama was someone to be proud of.

You and all the lefties are sore losers...

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