NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

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NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:23 am

President Trump you Magnificent Bastard. :mrgreen:

"NATO’s secretary-general reiterated Thursday that allies have committed to spending 2 percent of their gross domestic product on defense without directly commenting on President Trump’s claim that allies agreed to his demand to go higher.
In an interview with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg was repeatedly pressed on Trump’s claim that allies agreed to increase their defense spending to 4 percent of their GDPs.

“So we have a commitment to spend 2 percent,” Stoltenberg replied. “The important thing now is that we need to invest more. We need to get more money. And the good thing is that, very much because of that very clear message from President Trump on this meeting, I think that allies understand there is a need to do that. There’s an urgency, there’s a sense of urgency when it comes to delivering on that commitment.”
Stoltenberg’s comment comes after Trump roiled this week’s NATO summit by upping his demands that allies spend more on defense.
In 2014, NATO allies agreed to spend 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Eight allies are meeting or are expected to meet the goal this year, and at least 15 allies will be there in 2024.

But on Wednesday, Trump urged allies in a closed-door meeting to increase their target to 4 percent.
Several reports Thursday indicated he also threatened to withdraw from NATO if other countries did not commit to a spending hike.
In a post-summit press conference, Trump said allies agreed to boost their spending.
“Tremendous progress has been made. Everyone’s agreed to substantially up their commitment. They’re going to up it at levels that they’ve never thought of before,” Trump said.
Trump did not provide specifics on which countries agreed to increase spending, or by how much, only saying that “the commitment was at 2 percent, ultimately that’ll be going up quite a bit higher than that.”
NATO spending has increased every year since 2015, with last year’s 5.2 percent bump the largest in nearly 25 years. This year, spending is expected to increase another 3.78 percent.

Stoltenberg, walking a fine line not to incite Trump, has repeatedly credited Trump with corralling allies to accelerate their spending plans even as he has cautioned against alliance divisions.
Asked at his own post-summit press conference about Trump’s reported threat to “go it alone” if NATO does not increase its spending goal, Stoltenberg said “we had a very frank and open discussion on burden sharing.”
“I think that discussion has made NATO stronger,” Stoltenberg continued. “It has created a new sense of urgency when it comes to the importance of investing more in defense, and new money has come in.”

He also said there was agreement to “redouble” efforts to increase spending.
“The fact that we had this open discussion has also clearly stated that we will redouble our efforts,” he said, “and it also shows that a clear message from President Trump is having an impact.”

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/39667 ... -made-nato

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by sanfordandson » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:50 am

i thought the trumptards like you hated NATO and wanted out?

Now you want to spend MORE money on NATO to make it "stronger" :lol: =D> :^o :^o

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Post by rebelrouser » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:34 pm

Frank discussions on things like NATO spending levels should be done behind closed doors, the results of these meeting are what should be made public. Trump chewing on leaders in public is an insult to out friends and allies. Plus it is not adult behavior,, it is the behavior of a bully. I am embarrassed as an American that our elected leader treats our friends and allies in this way. The chief of NATO is being diplomatic about this issue, I think he should have called Trump out in public for being insulting and quoting facts that were not correct. Trump needs to understand getting in peoples faces is not leadership, it is what a person with a low level IQ does.

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Post by engineczar » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:39 pm

rebelrouser wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:34 pm
Frank discussions on things like NATO spending levels should be done behind closed doors, the results of these meeting are what should be made public. Trump chewing on leaders in public is an insult to out friends and allies. Plus it is not adult behavior,, it is the behavior of a bully. I am embarrassed as an American that our elected leader treats our friends and allies in this way. The chief of NATO is being diplomatic about this issue, I think he should have called Trump out in public for being insulting and quoting facts that were not correct. Trump needs to understand getting in peoples faces is not leadership, it is what a person with a low level IQ does.
This is code for "I like it when the country gets cuckolded". What is an embarrassment is that it's gone on for so long.

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Post by lefty o » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:40 pm

rebelrouser wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:34 pm
Frank discussions on things like NATO spending levels should be done behind closed doors, the results of these meeting are what should be made public. Trump chewing on leaders in public is an insult to out friends and allies. Plus it is not adult behavior,, it is the behavior of a bully. I am embarrassed as an American that our elected leader treats our friends and allies in this way. The chief of NATO is being diplomatic about this issue, I think he should have called Trump out in public for being insulting and quoting facts that were not correct. Trump needs to understand getting in peoples faces is not leadership, it is what a person with a low level IQ does.
what is an insult, is that our so called friends have taken advantage of us for far too long. our so called friends and allies should be embarrassed that we have carried their obligations for so long.

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:52 pm

I never said I wanted out of NATO. As far as closed doors go that has not got us anywhere. Time for a new tactic and that appears to be paying off according to this article. President Trump is the most open President I have seen in a long time. On track to become the greatest President in modern times. :D =D> :wink: One more thing for you that are butthurt.

Trump butthurt salve.jpg

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by mk e » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:56 pm

And they all took Rump very seriously!

When asked about the meeting, he (Mr Stoltenberg ) said: “The breakfast was good… paid for by the United States.”
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Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:58 pm

Some must be taking him seriously going by the article. :wink: The problem are the big slackers such as Germany whose military is going to hell in a hand basket.

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Post by mk e » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:17 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:58 pm
Some must be taking him seriously going by the article. :wink:
Because God knows a politician would never tell you what you want to hear then go doing whatever they please.

Germany's spending is about average for the block. Traditionally the germans were encouraged to have a smallish military so as not to scare their neighbors so the only thing odd is Rumps attack which mostly appears aimed at trying to weaken Merkel politically.
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Post by rebelrouser » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:33 pm

Obama administration already had an agreement that NATO spending was to be increased, this process had already began. It does take time, all NATO countries are free democracy's, the US does not control them, they also have elections and leaders responsible to their people. My main point is not the policy of asking NATO members to pay more, my point is beware how you treat your friends and enemy's, you never know when you need a friend, If you insult your friends, in my experience they may tend to tell you to go to h*ll when it comes time to help. Trump needs to remember article 5 was only used one time by NATO, it was the US after 911, and NATO sent troops to die for our country, bases to launch planes from, etc. Trump needs to understand being a bully does not get things done, it may make good TV for some low IQ people in this country, but not most people with any common sense. After all how do you treat a boss in the workplace who blows up at you all the time? As in Trumps own white house its clear, they quit.

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by lefty o » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:40 pm

rebelrouser wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:33 pm
Obama administration already had an agreement that NATO spending was to be increased, this process had already began. It does take time, all NATO countries are free democracy's, the US does not control them, they also have elections and leaders responsible to their people. My main point is not the policy of asking NATO members to pay more, my point is beware how you treat your friends and enemy's, you never know when you need a friend, If you insult your friends, in my experience they may tend to tell you to go to h*ll when it comes time to help. Trump needs to remember article 5 was only used one time by NATO, it was the US after 911, and NATO sent troops to die for our country, bases to launch planes from, etc. Trump needs to understand being a bully does not get things done, it may make good TV for some low IQ people in this country, but not most people with any common sense. After all how do you treat a boss in the workplace who blows up at you all the time? As in Trumps own white house its clear, they quit.
you are sort of right, our "friends" have been screwing us for a long time, we should all be very insulted!

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Re: NATO chief: 'Very frank and open discussion' on defense spending 'has made NATO stronger'

Post by David Redszus » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:45 pm

Frank discussions on things like NATO spending levels should be done behind closed doors, the results of these meeting are what should be made public.
That approach has been tried and has failed. Public shaming of selfish European leaders is a practical tactic and will get results.
Trump chewing on leaders in public is an insult to out friends and allies. Plus it is not adult behavior,, it is the behavior of a bully.
These "leaders" are not really our friends at all; at best they are only fairweather friends. What is not adult behavior is an attempt to take advantage of the US by cheating on their commitments.
I am embarrassed as an American that our elected leader treats our friends and allies in this way.
You don''t sound like a real American. You seem more concerned with European "feelings" instead of American best interests. Trump said: America first, and he means it. Perhaps you should consider residence in Sweden or France.
The chief of NATO is being diplomatic about this issue, I think he should have called Trump out in public for being insulting and quoting facts that were not correct.
You read that entirely wrong. He was appreciative that Trump demanded more funding for NATO military. It was a task he was seeking but met little success. He owes Trump a big favor.
Trump needs to understand getting in peoples faces is not leadership, it is what a person with a low level IQ does.
That is pure nonsense. Study the great leaders of history.
Napolean
Bismark
Stalin
Hitler
Mao
Ghengis Kahn
Alexander
Hanibal
etc..
None were shrinking violets.

Look how well high IQ levels are doing on campus. Pathetic.

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Post by Ratu » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:07 pm

The President was right when he said that NATO is obsolete. Stop the waste of taxpayer money. Close NATO down, take the US troops home and give the people their money back.

All this plea for more spend is mere lobbying to keep the denizens of the military-industrial partnership rich. They are only interested in keeping the tax money spigot wide open with cash flowing right into their pockets. NATO has no reason to exist. There is no USSR ready to invade Europe. In case you'd not noticed, there hasn't been such an entity as the USSR, let alone the possibility of one, for decades...

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Post by gmrocket » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:39 pm

rebelrouser wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:34 pm
Frank discussions on things like NATO spending levels should be done behind closed doors, the results of these meeting are what should be made public. Trump chewing on leaders in public is an insult to out friends and allies. Plus it is not adult behavior,, it is the behavior of a bully. I am embarrassed as an American that our elected leader treats our friends and allies in this way. The chief of NATO is being diplomatic about this issue, I think he should have called Trump out in public for being insulting and quoting facts that were not correct. Trump needs to understand getting in peoples faces is not leadership, it is what a person with a low level IQ does.
That's what got NATO in trouble in the first.

Unbelievable you would rather not hear what they really want to say...it's refreshing to hear trump tell the truth in front of the media.

And watch the other world leaders squirm

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Post by gmrocket » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:49 pm

Trump just tweeted he has commitments for billions more from NATO allies..

Now the USA can reduce its spending when he actually sees those dollars .

WINNING!

Which idiot said speaking out in the open about these things is embarrassing?

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