Tesla moving production to China to avoid tariffs

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Re: Tesla moving production to China to avoid tariffs

Post by j-c-c » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:18 am

Ratu wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:50 am

P.S. Did any of you hear about the tent they erected to cover their outdoor production line? Incredible.............

What a mess.
NO, and explain why that is "incredible" for us ignorant ones, in your own words.

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Re: Tesla moving production to China to avoid tariffs

Post by gmrocket » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:22 am

mk e wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:05 am
gmrocket wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:57 am
I don't know what the U.S. is gonna do without Harley and tesla?

Looks like we'll have to learn to live without slow old heavy antiquated motor cycles and boring electric cars that take two years to make

Oh well, how much of a hit to the GDP will this be?

On a side note, wonder what the enviro natzis think about Teslas getting recharged in China by all those coal fired power plants. Kind of ironic that the whole point of the electric car is to reduce pollution
Yeah, the US didn't want those manufacturing jobs anyway....or any of the others that haven't made the news. Sounds like sour grapes or a profound misunderstanding about manufacturing and trade...or both.

As for recharging with coal, the really funny thing is that China's decision to transition off coal is the main thing helping US coal. They have also decided that people needing to wear surgical masks on the city streets because the air is so dirty is not ok so a couple years ago they slapped production limits of Chinese mines to force prices up and reduce domestic demand and it's worked pretty well for them, but it also increased global prices which has helped the US coal industry a bit.
Both of those companies announced they were going to build a plant in china when Obama was the glorious one.. where was the outrage then?

Both will have production here as well..manufacturing moving to china is not a new phenomenon

They will be using coal for many years

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Re: Tesla moving production to China to avoid tariffs

Post by gmrocket » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:31 am

j-c-c wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:18 am
Ratu wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:50 am

P.S. Did any of you hear about the tent they erected to cover their outdoor production line? Incredible.............

What a mess.
NO, and explain why that is "incredible" for us ignorant ones, in your own words.
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Re: Tesla moving production to China to avoid tariffs

Post by mk e » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:34 am

gmrocket wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:22 am

Both of those companies announced they were going to build a plant in china when Obama was the glorious one.. where was the outrage then?

Didn't care then, don't much care now.

The point is the protectionist moves like tariffs are almost never helpful. You can't tax your way to success.....which used to be the cornerstone of Republican thinking.
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Re: Tesla moving production to China to avoid tariffs

Post by Ratu » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:15 am

j-c-c

Building an expensive, high-end, high-tech, high-quality luxury car in a tent is not a very sound manufacturing practice. As it happens there are quite a few experienced production engineers who do realise that production (of a high tech item containing many sophisticated systems all of which which are supposed to operate reliably together for multiple years) in a tent just aint good, not good enough by far. Production process needs to be fully and properly controlled and that includes a controlled environment. In this particular case, Tesla's tent does not provide that sort of situation at all.

Think on what it means for a moment. Consider the future owner of a car which was built in these conditions. Missed critical tests at important parts of the manufacture. Deliberately missed welds (300 of them). Unstable manufacturing processes constantly altered on the fly to address emergencies and various line failures as they inevitably occur (the problems were built into the original production line due to insufficient understanding of the actualities of automotive production, as well as a shocking lack of testing and proving out of the line or the equipmemt installed on it or even the design of the product to be produced on it). Pulling staff from one production line (indeed, even halting it) to rush to work on a separate other one building an entirely different product. Pulling part finished product off the line and moving it to another one outside to attend to various problems and fixes and reworks. On and on it goes. Talk about encouraging the deadly five wastes!

The quality of a product is built into it from the design phase, right through the prototyping and development phases, on into the productionising phase and finally the manufacturing process itself. It also encompasses the supply chains and the design, development, testing and proving out of the line and the systems running on it, as well as those sytems necessary to support it. What Tesla have shown in public is that they are not able to achieve any of this. They can't even meet production volumes anywhere near what they had boasted, let alone build cars in their loudly touted "new" way (well what they have achived is not "new" in the sense that they said- they are not achieving their boast of making everyone else's production methods obsolete but rather are demonstrating exactly what not to do). Hence they resort to a tent in a panicked attempt to address the emergencies they have been and are experiencing all along the line. So now everyone knows what they have achieved...... made-in-a-tent-out-the-back quality!

Look, these cars are fun in that they accelerate well and damn near silently. But it is clear after being around them for a while that the quality just is not there. If other manufacturers tried selling product of the "uneven" quality of Tesla at the prices Tesla demands, well, they'd be ruined. Likely they'd be in court. And NOW the quality is about to get even worse yet. Beware buyer!

Tesla have lost control of their production system. They are using the tent as a way to patch up the shortcomings of their existing set up. They can't afford to deal with the issues properly as they are all but insolvent and searching in utter desperation for more capital (and they are going to need rather a lot of it as almost the entirety of their manufacturing set up needs to be "revised" or "amended").

It is incredible that there were no adults in the room at Tesla who were able to prevail over the idiocy of juvenile dreaming and wishing. That so much money could be wasted in such an avoidable fashion while no-one thought to consider the option of getting the sage advice of real experience right at the beginning.... well that really is incredible. So now here Tesla is, in a tent.

Rimac is a far better bet. Before long their technology will be available in some well known brand vehicles. You know, brands where they understand the reality of mass manufacture.

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Re: Tesla moving production to China to avoid tariffs

Post by David Redszus » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:07 am

Tesla is the latest scam foisted on an unsuspecting and often misled public.

A Tesla is not an electric powered vehicle; it is coal powered.

And fueled by billions of dollars in government subsidies.

The sooner Tesla shuts down operations and moves to China, the better off we will all be;
both from a financial and pollution perspective. Good bye and good riddance.

With respect to Harley moving some production over seas, go for it.
When an obsolete, lumbering product is reaching the end of its product life cycle
at the same time as its primary market is doing the same, the game is over.
The sands have run low. If Harley cannot or will not design and develop a product
that the market wants, then it too should join Tesla on a slow boat to China.
Or Thailand or wherever.

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Re: Tesla moving production to China to avoid tariffs

Post by exhaustgases » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:03 am

X2 good riddance to the Marxist power train =D> . Oh and all these tesla fires we hear about on the news now, just wait, the dealer may have to give out free bar b que cooking tools with every car sold when the new china models hit the show room floors, the good thing is I hear you can go to your local dollar store to buy the touch up paint for them, its in the kids painting section, just dab the little brush in water and rub it on the color selected and there you go paint away.

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