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Civil War in America

Post by enigma57 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:16 pm

Foreword...... I seldom if ever re-post or forward articles I receive via E-mail. However, this piece is both spot on and worth the read.......

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Dr. Jack D. Minzey died Sunday, 8 April 2018


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Jack was head of the Department of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as author of numerous books, most of which were on Education and the Government role.


This is the last of his works:


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Civil War


How do civil wars happen?


Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.


The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.


What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.


That's a civil war.


There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.


This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.


Your very own dictatorship.


The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.


Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.


If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.


But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.


When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.


The Constitution has something to say about that.


Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.


Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people with him who also are NOT in the club.


Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.


That's not a free country.


It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary Clinton take out an 'insurance policy' against Donald Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win... WON.


Have no doubt. We are in a civil war.


This war is between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by Walter R. Malik » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:08 pm

enigma57 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:16 pm
Foreword...... I seldom if ever re-post or forward articles I receive via E-mail. However, this piece is both spot on and worth the read.......

HB


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Dr. Jack D. Minzey died Sunday, 8 April 2018


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Jack was head of the Department of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as author of numerous books, most of which were on Education and the Government role.


This is the last of his works:


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Civil War


How do civil wars happen?


Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.


The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.


What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.


That's a civil war.


There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.


This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.


Your very own dictatorship.


The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.


Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.


If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.


But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.


When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.


The Constitution has something to say about that.


Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.


Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people with him who also are NOT in the club.


Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.


That's not a free country.


It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary Clinton take out an 'insurance policy' against Donald Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win... WON.


Have no doubt. We are in a civil war.


This war is between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
The guy surely hit the nail on the head because, that is exactly what this country is doing right now.
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Re: Civil War in America

Post by enigma57 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:32 pm

Agree wholeheartedly, Walter. He tells it like it is. Only thing I would have added had I written this article is that I would have defined the difference between conservatives (both conservative Republicans and conservative independents such as myself)...... Rather than grouping both together and painting Republicans et al with a broad brush, as 'establishment' Republicans (AKA 'never Trumpers') are happily aiding and abetting Democrat (that would be Soros directed far left) operatives in their attempts to depose President Trump and overturn the 2016 elections.

Why? Because as I noted back during the Republican primaries...... 'Establishment' Republicans, like Democrats..... Are all about control. It became obvious to me at the time that 'establishment' Republicans would rather lose the election than lose control of 'their' party. Not to Trump so much as to the American people.

President Trump is just a symbol and a focal point for their hatred. For its really the American people Democrats and 'establishment' Republicans are afraid of, you see. That's why they have their collective panties in a wad....... They are freaked out because they have lost (the illusion of) control. They cannot control Trump and they cannot control those of the American people who are beginning to see them for who and what they really are.

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by Speedbump » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:41 pm

How about a moderator getting this stinking thing back over to the politics section where it belongs.
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Re: Civil War in America

Post by exhaustgases » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:16 am

That is what the Marxist demoncrats want. Our commander and chief will not allow it. If he is as smart as I think, he is like a magician with some nice tricks up his sleeve, it is timing that is most important though. And the winning then happens hugely.

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by Firedome8 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:41 am

exhaustgases wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:16 am
That is what the Marxist demoncrats want. Our commander and chief will not allow it. If he is as smart as I think, he is like a magician with some nice tricks up his sleeve, it is timing that is most important though. And the winning then happens hugely.
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Re: Civil War in America

Post by GRTfast » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:15 am

exhaustgases wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:16 am
That is what the Marxist demoncrats want. Our commander and chief will not allow it. If he is as smart as I think, he is like a magician with some nice tricks up his sleeve, it is timing that is most important though. And the winning then happens hugely.
I think "bigly" is the word you're looking for.

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by j-c-c » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:56 am

"The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that."

It is also a pretty widely accepted fact people believe what they WANT to believe.

With the above initial unproven premise, this kinda of talk just stokes CW2. All the rest is fluff.

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by 1989TransAm » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:12 pm

j-c-c wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:56 am
"The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that."

It is also a pretty widely accepted fact people believe what they WANT to believe.

With the above initial unproven premise, this kinda of talk just stokes CW2. All the rest is fluff.
What is the basic underlying crime that started the Mueller investigation?

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by j-c-c » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:25 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:12 pm
j-c-c wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:56 am
"The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that."

It is also a pretty widely accepted fact people believe what they WANT to believe.

With the above initial unproven premise, this kinda of talk just stokes CW2. All the rest is fluff.
What is the basic underlying crime that started the Mueller investigation?
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At the end of the "investigation" you should have your answer, unlike the FBI who normally says next to nothing unless charges are brought, I believe.

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by 1989TransAm » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:31 pm

So you have nothing but a bunch of pontification. Sounds about right. [-X

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by j-c-c » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:41 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:31 pm
So you have nothing but a bunch of pontification. Sounds about right. [-X
Maybe, and you got nothing to counter it?

Wonder why?

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by exhaustgases » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:48 pm

We need more Trump winning.

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by 1989TransAm » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:17 pm

j-c-c wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:41 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:31 pm
So you have nothing but a bunch of pontification. Sounds about right. [-X
Maybe, and you got nothing to counter it?

Wonder why?
Nothing to counter. The Mueller investigation has no underlying crime. It was set up to remove President Trump from office.

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Re: Civil War in America

Post by j-c-c » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:39 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:17 pm
j-c-c wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:41 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:31 pm
So you have nothing but a bunch of pontification. Sounds about right. [-X
Maybe, and you got nothing to counter it?

Wonder why?
Nothing to counter. The Mueller investigation has no underlying crime. It was set up to remove President Trump from office.

Proof?

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