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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by Ken0069 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:09 pm

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Lots of insults being thrown around here by one person,, here's a recap

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I'm heart broken! You left out those "f...ing M0R0N" insults that I drop every couple of days!! :wink:
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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by GRTfast » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:11 pm

Ken0069 wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:09 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:21 pm
Lots of insults being thrown around here by one person,, here's a recap

Poor poor man
Commie
Complete fool
Know nothing clown hacks
Aren't smart enough
A liar
Stupid
Dense
Ignorant
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I'm heart broken! You left out those "f...ing M0R0N" insults that I drop every couple of days!! :wink:
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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by exhaustgases » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:11 pm

If a scientific study does not agree with the established Marxist socialist communist demoncrat climate change religions, guide lines on the cause for it then they the soro's paid scientific institutions dismiss it and shut up and ostracize the scientists that have done that non complying study .

Their rules for climate change cause is, the sun has nothing to do with it, volcanic activity has nothing to do with it, geoengineering has nothing to do with it. Only things allowed is anything to do with OIL and burning a fuel source, or a living activity of human kind nothing else can be used in their twisted science.

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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by GRTfast » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:21 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:11 pm
If a scientific study does not agree with the established Marxist socialist communist demoncrat climate change religions, guide lines on the cause for it then they the soro's paid scientific institutions dismiss it and shut up and ostracize the scientists that have done that non complying study .

Their rules for climate change cause is, the sun has nothing to do with it, volcanic activity has nothing to do with it, geoengineering has nothing to do with it. Only things allowed is anything to do with OIL and burning a fuel source, or a living activity of human kind nothing else can be used in their twisted science.
^^^All lies and misrepresentations, every word of it. You represent the most ignorant of all the deniers on this forum, even worse that Ken.

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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by 406shark » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:18 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:01 pm
406shark wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:46 pm
I don't typically post in this area of the site, but I'll put my .02 in from my experience with the "climate change" mantra.

I'm old enough to remember in the 1970's everyone was up in arms over "Global Cooling"... then when that didn't prove out it was changed to "Global Warming"... when that didn't prove out they have now changed it to "Climate Change". Impossible to be wrong about that name... the climate is changing... always has... always will.

All groups have an agenda... typically it has to do with money, control, or both.

When they can't accurately predict the weather a couple of days in advance, I find it impossible to believe they can predict years or further down the road.

To each their own. Nobody is ever going to change their mind about pretty much anything that anyone posts in this area. Actually, it seems to be getting to be that way in some of the tech area posts as well. Sad to see our society gradually crumbling away.



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You’re misinformed. That’s all there is to it.

https://skepticalscience.com/70s-coolin ... art-I.html

I’ve posted this here before, but a study into the “global cooling” claim shows that a large minority (less than 15% going from memory) of the published papers from the 70’s projected cooling. Everyone was most decidedly not “up in arms” over it. The reason it still has any traction today is because it gets drummed up as a “gotcha” talking point and perpetuated by those who don’t know any better.

And you’re right, science does have an agenda. The agenda is to figure out what is really going on.

How can you say misinformed? I was only speaking from memories from past climate problems. Unsure if you're old enough to remember the Time Magazine cover about Global Cooling?

You failed to touch on some of the other questions in my post.

Where did Global Warming go to? Why the change to Climate change?

How about predicting future climate?

When I hear a "scientist" state that the debate is over... they don't do themselves any favors in my mind. Closing off to any further information is the sign of a weak mind, or a weak position.

I'm not here to argue with anyone, I've asked many people about the name change and predicting future climate without a solid answer. I guess I should have stayed in the tech section?


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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by 406shark » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:21 pm

John Wallace wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:31 pm
I'm old enough to remember in the 1970's everyone was up in arms over "Global Cooling"... then when that didn't prove out it was changed to "Global Warming"... when that didn't prove out they have now changed it to "Climate Change". Impossible to be wrong about that name... the climate is changing... always has... always will.
Probably what you heard was the holes in the upper atmosphere from the freon gas and stuff.
The scientists were saying if it wasn't stopped we would lose more and it would basically be a ice age.
The major countries including America phased out the freon gas and other things. The earth appreciated it and basically healed up.

High CO2 levels do the opposite of the holes and keep the heat from escaping, making the planet warmer.

:(

Thanks for the information John.

I do remember decades ago we used to just open the AC system on cars into the air, then we'd throw the vacuum to them before refilling.



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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by exhaustgases » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:27 am

GRTfast wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:21 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:11 pm
If a scientific study does not agree with the established Marxist socialist communist demoncrat climate change religions, guide lines on the cause for it then they the soro's paid scientific institutions dismiss it and shut up and ostracize the scientists that have done that non complying study .

Their rules for climate change cause is, the sun has nothing to do with it, volcanic activity has nothing to do with it, geoengineering has nothing to do with it. Only things allowed is anything to do with OIL and burning a fuel source, or a living activity of human kind nothing else can be used in their twisted science.
^^^All lies and misrepresentations, every word of it. You represent the most ignorant of all the deniers on this forum, even worse that Ken.
No all the lies are from the communist demoncrats period when it comes to climate anything. 406 ,he is one of the commie trolls nothing he says has to make sense, all he has to do is up hold the agenda's. Call everyone and every thing one of us says against that agenda a crack pot, that is what commie trolls do. They have to keep up holding the lies.

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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by user-23911 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:50 am

rebelrouser wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:45 pm
I will post one example caused by excessive carbon in the atmosphere, which I have discovered with testing for myself. Every time it rains the water in my pool turns cloudy, testing revels the PH has gotten out of wack. Just one minor proof of the science. My hot tub which is always covered and never gets rain water has much more stable PH.

Acid rain is caused by oxides of sulphur and nitrogen, not carbon.



As far as the weather and the climate goes, there's one thing for certain and that's constant change along with the rate of change constantly changing.


So there's volcanic activity under the antarctic ice cap....makes the ice melt? That's hardly news?
Same with Iceland.


What's the big deal?


Cut and paste from Wiki.


In January 2008, British Antarctic Survey (BAS) scientists reported that 2,200 years ago a volcano erupted under the Antarctic ice sheet. This was the biggest Antarctic eruption in the last 10,000 years. The volcano is situated in the Hudson Mountains, close to Pine Island Glacier.[19][20] The eruption spread a layer of volcanic ash and tephra over the surface of the ice sheet. This ash was then buried under the snow and ice. The date of the eruption was estimated from the depth of burial of the ash. This method uses dates calculated from nearby ice cores.[20] The presence of the volcano raises the possibility that volcanic activity could have contributed, or may contribute in the future, to increases in the flow of the glacier.[21] In 2018 it was found that there is a substantial volcanic heat source beneath Pine Island Glacier approximately half as large as the active Grimsvötn volcano on Iceland. [22]

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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by Kevin Johnson » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:56 am

Here is the full-text of a 1977 dissertation from MIT. It isn't that long. Read it.

https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/57618

Climate predictability and simulation with a global climate model.

Author: Robock, Alan David

Aside: Just in case it is not obvious, dissertations at MIT are peer reviewed by definition.

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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by GRTfast » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:36 am

exhaustgases wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:27 am
GRTfast wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:21 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:11 pm
If a scientific study does not agree with the established Marxist socialist communist demoncrat climate change religions, guide lines on the cause for it then they the soro's paid scientific institutions dismiss it and shut up and ostracize the scientists that have done that non complying study .

Their rules for climate change cause is, the sun has nothing to do with it, volcanic activity has nothing to do with it, geoengineering has nothing to do with it. Only things allowed is anything to do with OIL and burning a fuel source, or a living activity of human kind nothing else can be used in their twisted science.
^^^All lies and misrepresentations, every word of it. You represent the most ignorant of all the deniers on this forum, even worse that Ken.
No all the lies are from the communist demoncrats period when it comes to climate anything. 406 ,he is one of the commie trolls nothing he says has to make sense, all he has to do is up hold the agenda's. Call everyone and every thing one of us says against that agenda a crack pot, that is what commie trolls do. They have to keep up holding the lies.
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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by GRTfast » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:53 am

406shark wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:18 pm
GRTfast wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:01 pm
406shark wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:46 pm
I don't typically post in this area of the site, but I'll put my .02 in from my experience with the "climate change" mantra.

I'm old enough to remember in the 1970's everyone was up in arms over "Global Cooling"... then when that didn't prove out it was changed to "Global Warming"... when that didn't prove out they have now changed it to "Climate Change". Impossible to be wrong about that name... the climate is changing... always has... always will.

All groups have an agenda... typically it has to do with money, control, or both.

When they can't accurately predict the weather a couple of days in advance, I find it impossible to believe they can predict years or further down the road.

To each their own. Nobody is ever going to change their mind about pretty much anything that anyone posts in this area. Actually, it seems to be getting to be that way in some of the tech area posts as well. Sad to see our society gradually crumbling away.



Jeff
You’re misinformed. That’s all there is to it.

https://skepticalscience.com/70s-coolin ... art-I.html

I’ve posted this here before, but a study into the “global cooling” claim shows that a large minority (less than 15% going from memory) of the published papers from the 70’s projected cooling. Everyone was most decidedly not “up in arms” over it. The reason it still has any traction today is because it gets drummed up as a “gotcha” talking point and perpetuated by those who don’t know any better.

And you’re right, science does have an agenda. The agenda is to figure out what is really going on.

How can you say misinformed? I was only speaking from memories from past climate problems. Unsure if you're old enough to remember the Time Magazine cover about Global Cooling?

You failed to touch on some of the other questions in my post.

Where did Global Warming go to? Why the change to Climate change?

How about predicting future climate?

When I hear a "scientist" state that the debate is over... they don't do themselves any favors in my mind. Closing off to any further information is the sign of a weak mind, or a weak position.

I'm not here to argue with anyone, I've asked many people about the name change and predicting future climate without a solid answer. I guess I should have stayed in the tech section?


Jeff
I apologize for being so harsh in my reply. When I say misinformed, I mean that from the perspective of the science on the subject, global cooling was a minority prediction that was made during the infancy of modern climate science. It did get some media traction. I’m not a fan of how the media reports science because they often sensationalize it, and more often mischaracterize it. This phenomenon occurs outside the media as well. Look at the title and OP in this thread.

The fact is, the science on the subject has gotten much much better in the past 40-50 years, and has reached conclusions to a fairly high degree of certainty (not absolutes). What usually happens (again visible in this thread) is, a scientific journal article is published. Then some op ed article is written about it, that leaves out a lot of detail and changed the language to a more common vernacular. In that transition, a lot of the actual information is lost or misconstrued. Then the media will grab a headline from that (like the OP did in this thread) which totally misses the boat with regards to what is actually trying to be conveyed by the scientist themselves.

Regarding the “change” from global warming to climate change, I’ve seen both terms in old and new scientific reports. It’s largely the media that has transitioned, but I still see both terms used interchangeably.

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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by GRTfast » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:02 am

Kevin Johnson wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:56 am
Here is the full-text of a 1977 dissertation from MIT. It isn't that long. Read it.

https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/57618

Climate predictability and simulation with a global climate model.

Author: Robock, Alan David

Aside: Just in case it is not obvious, dissertations at MIT are peer reviewed by definition.
Thanks for posting. I’ll read it later, my phone won’t open it for some reason.

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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by j-c-c » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:55 am

GRTfast wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:47 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:25 pm
GRTfast wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:43 pm


I call them like I see them. Can you handle that, snowflake? ;)

I wonder what the scoreboard would be if we ranked members of this forum from most insults hurled to least insults hurled.

I stand by everything I’ve said in this thread. There was more than one (way more) insult to my intelligence. Those count as much, if not more than anything I’ve said. I reserve the right to call someone a moron or a liar if they are being one. I reserve the right to tell someone they are misinformed.

You’ll notice that when I say something, I back it up as solidly as one can on a forum. Most, if not all of the “arguments” coming from your “side” are logical fallacies and/or outright misrepresentations of what the science actually says. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.. failure to understand something isn’t a salient argument against it.

If there were a real debate moderator on here, I would absolutely destroy you, and every other denier on here on this topic because the facts are on my side, and I understand and avoid the common logical fallacies when making my arguments. The problem for a guy like me in here is, it’s a trump supporting, science denying echo chamber. I’m vastly outnumbered. When I obliterate one of your “arguments”, someone else tags in and throws some more garbage my way without any recognition that your argument was destroyed. Still, it keeps me sharp and I enjoy it.

After all, I’m here willingly. :)
Ya, you would absolutely destroy me in a debate on here with a moderator..im shaking in my boots.

I'm not sure I would live in fear of that happening.

Is there anything else your good at that would be less boring....where you could absolutely destroy me? Give me some options where I can be destroyed
Motocross track, road course (car, bike, or kart), math contest, battle of wits, basic reading comprehension. How’s that for starters? :roll:

I kid, I kid. Seriously though, in a moderated debate on climate change, you’d be bringing a worn out pinto engine to a top fuel race. It’s ok to admit when you’re not knowledgeable on a topic. It’s called honesty. There are plenty of things I’m not as good at you as. I know a lot about engines. I bet you know more. I’m fairly ignorant (lacking knowledge) in areas of literature and art. I’m actually fairly ignorant outside anything other than science, engineering, math, music, cars, bikes, karts, racing, religion and family.... but what else matters? ;)
My life long observations include, its tough for many people to accept the fact that maybe, they are surrounded by smarter/more knowledgeable people in the world.
Nobody should accept that anybody is perfect or always right, but observing from the sidelines, is why they invented grandstands. :D
GRT, you sound rather accomplished, as long as you can back it up, put the pedal down. :mrgreen:
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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by GRTfast » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:26 am

j-c-c wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:55 am
GRTfast wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:47 pm
gmrocket wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:25 pm


Ya, you would absolutely destroy me in a debate on here with a moderator..im shaking in my boots.

I'm not sure I would live in fear of that happening.

Is there anything else your good at that would be less boring....where you could absolutely destroy me? Give me some options where I can be destroyed
Motocross track, road course (car, bike, or kart), math contest, battle of wits, basic reading comprehension. How’s that for starters? :roll:

I kid, I kid. Seriously though, in a moderated debate on climate change, you’d be bringing a worn out pinto engine to a top fuel race. It’s ok to admit when you’re not knowledgeable on a topic. It’s called honesty. There are plenty of things I’m not as good at you as. I know a lot about engines. I bet you know more. I’m fairly ignorant (lacking knowledge) in areas of literature and art. I’m actually fairly ignorant outside anything other than science, engineering, math, music, cars, bikes, karts, racing, religion and family.... but what else matters? ;)
My life long observations include, its tough for many people to accept the fact they maybe they are surrounded by smarter/more knowledgeable people in the world.
Nobody should accept that anybody is perfect or always right, but observing from the sidelines, is why they invented grandstands. :D
GRT, you sound rather accomplished, as long as you can back it up, put the pedal down. :mrgreen:
Thanks for the kind words. I’d say I’m more fortunate than anything. Had a gear head/racer/engineer for a dad, and we had a machine shop at the house.

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Re: Volcanic activity discovered under Antarctica ice.....oops!

Post by exhaustgases » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:37 am

Yeah accomplished at regurgitating the same old Marxist climate news we hear all the time, give us something new that shows its the sun as the main cause.

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