SCIENTISTS: 30 YEARS OF DATA SHOW THE ‘GODFATHER’ (OF) GLOBAL WARMING WAS WRONG

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SCIENTISTS: 30 YEARS OF DATA SHOW THE ‘GODFATHER’ (OF) GLOBAL WARMING WAS WRONG

Post by 1989TransAm » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:36 pm

Fun to go back and look at the predictions these global warming alarmist were making. :D Al Gore is probably the biggest of the buffoons. Much more at the link.

"Former NASA climate scientist James Hansen famously warned Congress almost 30 years ago to the day that human activities had put the world on the path to disaster, but two scientists now say the global warming “godfather’s” predictions were wrong. Cato Institute scientists Patrick Michaels and Ryan Maue compared Hansen’s temperature predictions to real-world observations and found his supposedly “highly unlikely” forecast with the least amount of warming was the most accurate.

“Global surface temperature has not increased significantly since 2000, discounting the larger-than-usual El Niño of 2015-16,” Michaels and Maue wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

“Assessed by Mr. Hansen’s model, surface temperatures are behaving as if we had capped 18 years ago the carbon-dioxide emissions responsible for the enhanced greenhouse effect,” the two scientists wrote. “But we didn’t. And it isn’t just Mr. Hansen who got it wrong.”
“Models devised by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have, on average, predicted about twice as much warming as has been observed since global satellite temperature monitoring began 40 years ago,” they wrote.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/godfa ... was-wrong/

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Re: SCIENTISTS: 30 YEARS OF DATA SHOW THE ‘GODFATHER’ (OF) GLOBAL WARMING WAS WRONG

Post by David Redszus » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:46 pm

Fun to go back and look at the predictions these global warming alarmist were making. :D Al Gore is probably the biggest of the buffoons.
Buffoon? Buffoon you say?" Look how much money he made with his buffoonery.

And the left paid for it. =D>

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Re: SCIENTISTS: 30 YEARS OF DATA SHOW THE ‘GODFATHER’ (OF) GLOBAL WARMING WAS WRONG

Post by RevTheory » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:48 pm

Poor sandytroll et.al.

I tend to put a lot of stock in this as these guys are really putting their necks on the chopping block for going against what the U.N. tells them the conclusion their "science" needs to come to.

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Re: SCIENTISTS: 30 YEARS OF DATA SHOW THE ‘GODFATHER’ (OF) GLOBAL WARMING WAS WRONG

Post by exhaustgases » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:40 pm

Its never been about global warming or climate change its all about the agenda and how it was or is to be used against the whole world.

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Re: SCIENTISTS: 30 YEARS OF DATA SHOW THE ‘GODFATHER’ (OF) GLOBAL WARMING WAS WRONG

Post by j-c-c » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:40 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:36 pm
Fun to go back and look at the predictions these global warming alarmist were making. :D Al Gore is probably the biggest of the buffoons. Much more at the link.

"Former NASA climate scientist James Hansen famously warned Congress almost 30 years ago to the day that human activities had put the world on the path to disaster, but two scientists now say the global warming “godfather’s” predictions were wrong. Cato Institute scientists Patrick Michaels and Ryan Maue compared Hansen’s temperature predictions to real-world observations and found his supposedly “highly unlikely” forecast with the least amount of warming was the most accurate.

“Global surface temperature has not increased significantly since 2000, discounting the larger-than-usual El Niño of 2015-16,” Michaels and Maue wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

“Assessed by Mr. Hansen’s model, surface temperatures are behaving as if we had capped 18 years ago the carbon-dioxide emissions responsible for the enhanced greenhouse effect,” the two scientists wrote. “But we didn’t. And it isn’t just Mr. Hansen who got it wrong.”
“Models devised by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have, on average, predicted about twice as much warming as has been observed since global satellite temperature monitoring began 40 years ago,” they wrote.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/godfa ... was-wrong/
Yup, 30 years is plenty of time to understand all we need about who is wrong about a 4.6 billion year old planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uodfwAgzTQ

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Re: SCIENTISTS: 30 YEARS OF DATA SHOW THE ‘GODFATHER’ (OF) GLOBAL WARMING WAS WRONG

Post by exhaustgases » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:14 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:40 pm
Its never been about global warming or climate change its all about the agenda and how it was or is to be used against the whole world.
jcc I guess you missed the real reason.

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Post by Ken0069 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:52 pm

Here's another one!

After Thirty Years, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?
June 22, 2018
On June 23, 1988, NASA scientist James E. Hansen testified before the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, where he expressed his “high degree of confidence” in “a cause-and-effect relationship between the greenhouse effect and observed warming.”

The 30th anniversary of Mr. Hansen’s predictions affords an opportunity to see how well his forecasts have turned out.

The answer, in short, is not all that well

In an article today in the Wall Street Journal, climatologist Dr Patrick Michaels and meteorologist Dr. Ryan Maue compare Hansen’s predictions to reality. They describe an earth that is only moderately warmer.

I’ll paraphrase some of the WSJ article here.

It turns out that global surface temperature has not increased significantly since 2000, discounting the larger-than-usual El Niño of 2015-16.

And it isn’t just Mr. Hansen who got it wrong, the two scholars point out. Models devised by the IPCC have, on average, predicted about twice as much warming as has been observed since global satellite temperature monitoring began 40 years ago.

What about Hansen’s other claims? He claimed that the late ’80s and ’90s would see “greater than average warming in the southeast U.S. and the Midwest.” No such spike has been measured in these regions.

In 2007, Hansen stated that most of Greenland’s ice would soon melt, raising sea levels 23 feet over the next 100 years. Subsequent research published in Nature magazine demonstrated this to be impossible.

Several more of Mr. Hansen’s predictions fizzled. Have hurricanes gotten stronger, as Mr. Hansen predicted? No. Satellite data shows no evidence of this in relation to global surface temperature.

Have storms caused increasing damage in the U.S.? No. Data from NOAA show no such increase.

How about stronger tornadoes? No. In fact, the opposite may be true, as NOAA data offers some evidence of a decline.

“The list of what didn’t happen is long and tedious,” say Michaels and Maue.

“On the 30th anniversary of Mr. Hansen’s galvanizing testimony, it’s time to acknowledge that the rapid warming he predicted isn’t happening.”

Dr. Michaels is director and Dr. Maue an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute’s Center for the Study of Science. Dr. Michaels obtained his Ph.D. in ecological climatology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Dr. Maue is a Ph.D meteorologist.

Interestingly, the WSJ article fails to mention that either of these men have a Ph.D. in their field of expertise.

This article appeared in the Wall Street Journal print edition as
‘A Hot Summer on Capitol Hill.’

And it was published online as:
Thirty Years On, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/thirty-yea ... 1529623442
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Post by 1989TransAm » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:07 pm

Good one Ken. I love all those old predictions by the usual global warming alarmists.

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Post by GRTfast » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:08 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:36 pm
Fun to go back and look at the predictions these global warming alarmist were making. :D Al Gore is probably the biggest of the buffoons. Much more at the link.

"Former NASA climate scientist James Hansen famously warned Congress almost 30 years ago to the day that human activities had put the world on the path to disaster, but two scientists now say the global warming “godfather’s” predictions were wrong. Cato Institute scientists Patrick Michaels and Ryan Maue compared Hansen’s temperature predictions to real-world observations and found his supposedly “highly unlikely” forecast with the least amount of warming was the most accurate.

“Global surface temperature has not increased significantly since 2000, discounting the larger-than-usual El Niño of 2015-16,” Michaels and Maue wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

“Assessed by Mr. Hansen’s model, surface temperatures are behaving as if we had capped 18 years ago the carbon-dioxide emissions responsible for the enhanced greenhouse effect,” the two scientists wrote. “But we didn’t. And it isn’t just Mr. Hansen who got it wrong.”
“Models devised by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have, on average, predicted about twice as much warming as has been observed since global satellite temperature monitoring began 40 years ago,” they wrote.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/godfa ... was-wrong/
This article basically says (in a roundabout and muddy way) that the the least severe of Hansen’s three scenarios is what we are observing. Then it goes on to make a political plea. You guys spend all this time on here saying that climate change is a hoax, or is engineered by some clandestine group, then you post this article which acknowledges that there is in fact warming, and that it’s anthropogenic in nature, even if it does so in a very convoluted way.

Also, when are you going to learn that an opinion editorial just isn’t science?! Where is their supporting data? Anyone can say anything.

Here’s more from the Cato institute (I tend to agree with this assessment):

Global warming is indeed real, and human activity has been a contributor since 1975. But global warming is also a very complicated and difficult issue that can provoke very unwise policy in response to political pressure. Although there are many different legislative proposals for substantial reductions in carbon dioxide emissions, there is no operational or tested suite of technologies that can accomplish the goals of such legislation.
Fortunately, and contrary to much of the rhetoric surrounding climate change, there is ample time to develop such technologies, which will require substantial capital investment by individuals.

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Post by Ken0069 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:23 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:07 pm
Good one Ken. I love all those old predictions by the usual global warming alarmists.
Yup, I'm wondering why that liberal rag WSJ published that one?? I was thinking they were "warmers"? :-k
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Post by exhaustgases » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:25 am

GRT you prove with every post your a Marxist communist demoncrat, you support their religion with great effort.
So tell me what are you willing to give up for your climate change religion? Just remember none of you billionaire controllers will have to give anything up.

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Post by GRTfast » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:01 am

exhaustgases wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:25 am
GRT you prove with every post your a Marxist communist demoncrat, you support their religion with great effort.
So tell me what are you willing to give up for your climate change religion? Just remember none of you billionaire controllers will have to give anything up.
Nice deflection/Ad hominem combo. You're like a broken record.

These types of deflection and attacks only serve to show how weak your position is on the topic.

Basing your acceptance of scientific findings on whether you agree with the implications is juvenile at best, and more importantly, is intellectually dishonest. That's you. Willfully ignorant of the facts. Attacking others for their fact based stance because it conflicts with your political stance is as pathetic as it is stupid.

One top of that, your absolutist either/or mentality has you convince that someone either agrees with you, or they're a "communist marxist socialist demoncrat". There are more than two perspectives. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Post by MotionMachine » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:07 am

"Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings". Warmers cannot face that they have been lied to, and believed in, a hoax that has been their religion for years. No different than scientology.

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Post by GRTfast » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:10 am

MotionMachine wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:07 am
"Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings". Warmers cannot face that they have been lied to, and believed in, a hoax that has been their religion for years. No different than scientology.
You're describing the denier crowd to the T. Look at guys like Ken0069, Exhaustgases and Transam on here lashing out in multiple threads on a daily basis.

You're also being a intellectually dishonest conspiracy theorist. Scientific illiteracy isn't a valid argument against scientific findings and/or conclusions. The arguments against scientific findings on the climate that are put forth in this forum are analogous to saying that "algebra ain't true cuz math ain't got no letters in it".

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Post by exhaustgases » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:35 pm

GRTfast wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:10 am
MotionMachine wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:07 am
"Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings". Warmers cannot face that they have been lied to, and believed in, a hoax that has been their religion for years. No different than scientology.
You're describing the denier crowd to the T. Look at guys like Ken0069, Exhaustgases and Transam on here lashing out in multiple threads on a daily basis.

You're also being a intellectually dishonest conspiracy theorist. Scientific illiteracy isn't a valid argument against scientific findings and/or conclusions. The arguments against scientific findings on the climate that are put forth in this forum are analogous to saying that "algebra ain't true cuz math ain't got no letters in it".
Nothing to deny, climate change is real. It is created 2 ways, first is in the believers minds, second is it is manipulated by high power devices and chemicals to create an effect that proves to the mind washed bunch that it is true. GRT you are the real denier, you have been brain washed, just like with your demoncrat beliefs that support nothing logical. deflect? Not at all, what are you willing to give up for your climate change religion ? Simple answer???? There is nothing scientific supporting your climate religion, it is billionaire supported fake science that supports the first way that is mentioned above. And most importantly it is a communist globalist agenda and to be used to control everyone. Simple stuff to understand, just dive deeply and look.
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