G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by 1989TransAm » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:24 pm

President Trump is not in anyone's pocket except for the American people. Anyone who thinks otherwise if full of it.

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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by RevTheory » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:25 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:24 pm
President Trump is not in anyone's pocket except for the American people. Anyone who thinks otherwise if full of it.
These guys should turn off Media Matters outlets and read a book or two. And not the kind that have dinosaurs that you can move around with your fingers :D

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I used to be a people person, but people ruined it.

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Post by j-c-c » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:20 pm

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President Trump is not in anyone's pocket except the American people's pocket. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless..

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Post by mk e » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:33 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:24 pm
President Trump is not in anyone's pocket except for the American people. Anyone who thinks otherwise if full of it.
As in....it was so cold today I saw Rump with his hands in his own pockets.
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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by 1989TransAm » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:42 pm

woody b wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:05 pm
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Great cartoon Woody. That sums things up quite nicely.

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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by 1989TransAm » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:39 pm

President Trump trying to rectify the trade imbalances this country has with other nations and poor Maxine and son has a meltdown. Poor little snowflake.

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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by Ratu » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:28 pm

The President went to the G7 with one requirement of them and one only. He asks that all, each and every one, drop tariffs on each other's exports to zero. That would be the very embodiment free trade. After all, they ALL, each and every one, claim to support international free trade. Instead of agreement, they all, except the USA, refused. Point blank they said no. What hypocrites. Liars all!

What they want is not free trade, it is managed trade where they get to manage everyone else's business (and take vast tribute along the way). President Trump is correct to call that creepy bunch of crooks out. Well done for doing so.

He did something else important as well. Apart from demonstrating the dishonesty of the G7 he pointed out that they just are not as important as they like to pretend. Why should he even listen to them, let alone obey their shrieking?

Around the same time as the G7 there was another economic get together occurring. This one wasn't just a talk-fest like G7 though. Real agreements and real trade deals were negotiated, agreed and executed. The magnitude of what was involved was greater than that of the G7. When the President was referring to Russia, he was indicating an awareness of something of primary importance. He was signalling his understanding of the significance of the international economic forum in St Petersburg and that it involved the rest of the World*, not merely the G7. Doubtful many resident in North America know much or even anything about it or, worse, anything about what has just been agreed there. It just was not covered to any great extent in the US by the media. President Trump is thus a member of a tiny, vanishingly small group of North Americans. But he knows about it and seems to have taken it into account.








* the term "rest of the World" is used according to the Chinese definitional sense here.

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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by j-c-c » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:10 pm

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Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:28 pm
The President went to the G7 with one requirement of them and one only. He asks that all, each and every one, drop tariffs on each other's exports to zero. That would be the very embodiment free trade. After all, they ALL, each and every one, claim to support international free trade. Instead of agreement, they all, except the USA, refused. Point blank they said no. What hypocrites. Liars all!

What they want is not free trade, it is managed trade where they get to manage everyone else's business (and take vast tribute along the way). President Trump is correct to call that creepy bunch of crooks out. Well done for doing so.

He did something else important as well. Apart from demonstrating the dishonesty of the G7 he pointed out that they just are not as important as they like to pretend. Why should he even listen to them, let alone obey their shrieking?

Around the same time as the G7 there was another economic get together occurring. This one wasn't just a talk-fest like G7 though. Real agreements and real trade deals were negotiated, agreed and executed. The magnitude of what was involved was greater than that of the G7. When the President was referring to Russia, he was indicating an awareness of something of primary importance. He was signalling his understanding of the significance of the international economic forum in St Petersburg and that it involved the rest of the World*, not merely the G7. Doubtful many resident in North America know much or even anything about it or, worse, anything about what has just been agreed there. It just was not covered to any great extent in the US by the media. President Trump is thus a member of a tiny, vanishingly small group of North Americans. But he knows about it and seems to have taken it into account.

* the term "rest of the World" is used according to the Chinese definitional sense here.
So then, why the need for the big cover story, US tariffs for "national security"? :roll:

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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by Ratu » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:06 am

Politician talk. Snappy sound bite, perhaps. Someone ought to ask him about his choice of rhetoric. In a sense though, he is right. Present arrangements are having deleterious effect on US national security. That's the cost of running an empire. Better to cut the satraps loose and end hopelessly expensive and non-productive foreign entanglements.

As far as tariffs are concerned, they are an abomination. They were the causal element of the War of Northern Aggression which is now understood to have resulted in over 600,000 US deaths (some calculate the number closer to ~800,000). They are an impost against your fellows. There are better means to deal with protectionism and artifices imposed against international trade than by applying tariffs. Why copy the mongrels and hurt your own fellows while assisting the enrichment of those vile socialists mercantilist leeches who favour tariffs and protective subsidies?

While one can agree with the President's analysis of the present situation, one ought not to agree that applying tariffs, yet more of that which ills you, is a solution to anything. There are better means available to achieve solution.

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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by Splitter » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:03 pm

Canada has a 300% tariffs on US dairy imports, and the US subsidizes dairy production to keep milk prices artificially low. I don’t like the tariffs either, personally, with 4 kids to feed I’ll take all the taxpayer subsidized milk I can get. I find it baffling that Trump is an @ss to Canada yet so eager to work with North Korea. Maybe if Trudeau had his own brother assassinated and then threatened the US with nuclear war like Kim did, we could have a better relationship.

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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:26 pm

Splitter wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:03 pm
Canada has a 300% tariffs on US dairy imports, and the US subsidizes dairy production to keep milk prices artificially low. I don’t like the tariffs either, personally, with 4 kids to feed I’ll take all the taxpayer subsidized milk I can get. I find it baffling that Trump is an @ss to Canada yet so eager to work with North Korea. Maybe if Trudeau had his own brother assassinated and then threatened the US with nuclear war like Kim did, we could have a better relationship.
Two entirely different issues. Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and getting better trade deals for America because we have been so screwed over the years. I am sorry that you find that so baffling.

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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by Splitter » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:04 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:26 pm
Splitter wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:03 pm
Canada has a 300% tariffs on US dairy imports, and the US subsidizes dairy production to keep milk prices artificially low. I don’t like the tariffs either, personally, with 4 kids to feed I’ll take all the taxpayer subsidized milk I can get. I find it baffling that Trump is an @ss to Canada yet so eager to work with North Korea. Maybe if Trudeau had his own brother assassinated and then threatened the US with nuclear war like Kim did, we could have a better relationship.
Two entirely different issues. Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and getting better trade deals for America because we have been so screwed over the years. I am sorry that you find that so baffling.
It’s as though he got the G7 Summit confused with the Singapore Summit. Maybe he’s angry and hyperaggressive because he doesn’t know what he’s doing?
Here’s what he wants to accomplish in international trade, from what I’ve heard so far: Trade that’s not unfair yet somehow favours one side over the other, the elimination of trade deficits through import tariffs which will make everything more expensive, a stronger US dollar which will make importing easier than producing domestically and thus require higher import tariffs to keep US industry viable while simultaneously making US exports less appealing to other countries, backing out of the TPP and tearing up NAFTA...I’m sure I’m missing a few others.
Reality show theatrics aside, he’ll likely end up with more or less the same trade agreement we already have. But if he can negotiate lower tariffs, good for him.

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Re: G7 — World Throws Tantrum As President Trump Puts America First

Post by GRTfast » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:25 am

Splitter wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:04 am
1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:26 pm
Splitter wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:03 pm
Canada has a 300% tariffs on US dairy imports, and the US subsidizes dairy production to keep milk prices artificially low. I don’t like the tariffs either, personally, with 4 kids to feed I’ll take all the taxpayer subsidized milk I can get. I find it baffling that Trump is an @ss to Canada yet so eager to work with North Korea. Maybe if Trudeau had his own brother assassinated and then threatened the US with nuclear war like Kim did, we could have a better relationship.
Two entirely different issues. Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and getting better trade deals for America because we have been so screwed over the years. I am sorry that you find that so baffling.
It’s as though he got the G7 Summit confused with the Singapore Summit. Maybe he’s angry and hyperaggressive because he doesn’t know what he’s doing?
Here’s what he wants to accomplish in international trade, from what I’ve heard so far: Trade that’s not unfair yet somehow favours one side over the other, the elimination of trade deficits through import tariffs which will make everything more expensive, a stronger US dollar which will make importing easier than producing domestically and thus require higher import tariffs to keep US industry viable while simultaneously making US exports less appealing to other countries, backing out of the TPP and tearing up NAFTA...I’m sure I’m missing a few others.
Reality show theatrics aside, he’ll likely end up with more or less the same trade agreement we already have. But if he can negotiate lower tariffs, good for him.
To me, is seems that Trump doesn’t think a deal can be good for both sides. If he isn’t screwing someone, his default assumption is that he’s getting screwed. That is the mentality at the heart of his g7 behavior.

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