John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

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John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by 1989TransAm » Wed May 16, 2018 6:25 pm

I don't always agree with Rand Paul but he is 10 times the Senator that McCain ever was.

"In March 2017, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) successfully delayed for 11 days Senate ratification of Montenegro's entry into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). America's leading advocate for NATO expansion, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) responded by accusing Paul of "achieving the objectives of Vladimir Putin...of trying to dismember this small country."
"I repeat again," McCain said then, remarkably. "The senator from Kentucky is now working for Vladimir Putin."
Perhaps even more remarkably, though not very surprisingly, McCain is unapologetic about that accusation in his valedictory new memoir, The Restless Wave: Good Times, Just Causes, Great Fights, and Other Appreciations. "Senator Paul didn't appreciate that, and I'll grant that it was an intemperate thing to say," McCain writes, with co-author Mark Salter. "But it wasn't incorrect. He might not have worked wittingly for Putin, but he was doing exactly what the Russian wanted done."

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Re: John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by mk e » Thu May 17, 2018 9:15 am

And yet McCain was on point.

Russia certainly doesn't want NATO strong and growing. I have no idea what Paul's objections or goals were but his desired outcone was aligned with Putin's.
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Re: John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by j-c-c » Thu May 17, 2018 12:38 pm

Political Hyperbole, ie a sound bite.

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Re: John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu May 17, 2018 12:41 pm

This just shows what an a-hole John McCain was/is. He threw his first wife under the bus when she became crippled in a car accident. He has also said some nasty things about his current wife including calling her a "cunt".

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Re: John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by mk e » Thu May 17, 2018 2:27 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:41 pm
This just shows what an a-hole John McCain was/is. He threw his first wife under the bus when she became crippled in a car accident. He has also said some nasty things about his current wife including calling her a "cunt".
That's awful.....MvCain said something mean about someone and divorced his wife. Wow.

Did he cheat on her with [Blank Post] starts and playboy bunnies or insult entire countries?

I'm with you that those comments are were inappropriate but look at the POS you put in the WH and are blindly supporting, McCain is frikin angle next too him.
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Re: John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by Ratu » Thu May 17, 2018 2:59 pm

Ah John McCain. a.k.a. The Songbird. Some of his fellow pilots and officers called him that. Many called him Hanoi Rose and even worse epithets. The hypocrisy of such a critter accusing Senator Rand Paul stands clear. It is instructive to consider the interests John McCain has worked for and has been well rewarded by during his career...

Much astounds about this person. One low point has to be his hysterical and cruel treatment of the families of the MIA soldiers and prisoners. It was just so unnecessary and vile how he behaved toward them.

It is impossible to forget he committed actions directed towards the killing and destroying civilians all through his career (not only when he was bombing civilians but also when he agitated for various wars and the like). A dreadful critter in personal as well as public life, one would likely have to conclude.

If it is a hero you seek, look to the father of Senator Rand Paul. That would be Ron Paul. Now he is a hero to look up to.

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Re: John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu May 17, 2018 5:05 pm

mk e wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 2:27 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:41 pm
This just shows what an a-hole John McCain was/is. He threw his first wife under the bus when she became crippled in a car accident. He has also said some nasty things about his current wife including calling her a "cunt".
That's awful.....MvCain said something mean about someone and divorced his wife. Wow.

Did he cheat on her with [Blank Post] starts and playboy bunnies or insult entire countries?

I'm with you that those comments are were inappropriate but look at the POS you put in the WH and are blindly supporting, McCain is frikin angle next too him.
As stated, if John McCain is your hero so be it.

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Re: John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by mk e » Fri May 18, 2018 7:18 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 5:05 pm

As stated, if John McCain is your hero so be it.
He's not but he, like Mueller, are actual national hero's who were wounded fighting for the country and spent their lives serving the country, so they get the benefit of the doubt....self-dealing draft dodgers do not.
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Re: John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by Ratu » Fri May 18, 2018 4:24 pm

He was injured while bailing out during a mission where he had been bombing civilians. If that is what you regard as a "national hero", then whatever it is you consider to be your "nation", it is one depraved, degenerate entity.

Fortunately, I can submit that there are many people who are better than that.

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Re: John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by RevTheory » Fri May 18, 2018 6:00 pm

Ratu,

If you're so weak that you have to hide behind women and children, set up weapons depots and strategic communications in mosques and hospitals, don't pretend to have a moral high ground when your shit gets taken out.

These long-winded wars would be solved in short-order if we operated like other countries.

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Re: John McCain: It 'Wasn’t Incorrect' to Say Rand Paul Was 'Working for Vladimir Putin'

Post by Ratu » Sat May 19, 2018 9:08 pm

RevTheory

Weak is right. What a weak excuse for commission of a horror. Just look what you are doing- trying to proffer excuses for destroying the lives of civilians, excuse the commission of atrocity. Last I checked Nazis were found guilty for doing stuff like that, even after they made silly excuses like yours at the Nuremberg Trials. "National heroes" indeed. National socialist more like.

Note also that Vietnam is an ocean away from the USA. There was absolutely no chance whatsoever that what was a backward feudal society could provide a real threat to the USA or people living in the USA. This ugly war was not about defending the USA.

There is no excuse that allows bombing of civilians and an entire career spent promoting the massacres of civilians to ever be seriously considered heroic, not unless one accepts the utter corruption of the term "hero" and considers award of the title "national hero" legitimate when made by an entity which displays depravity and degeneracy.

Quoting, "These long-winded wars would be solved in short-order if we operated like other countries."

"You" would not be having them in the first instance if operating like other countries, well, civilised ones anyway.

Prediction: Should it come to pass that the USA military enters active hostilities with peer, near-peer or even determined regional powers, the outcome would not be to your liking. Such wars would prove very expensive. They would deliver horrible losses, terrible surprises and a massive amount of suffering. Do not EVER operate on the misunderstanding that there would be no or minimal cost and consequence. Do not EVER fail to understand that such a war can (and in the case of war with peer or near peer powers would) come ashore, direct to continental USA. And yes, there would be those who'd make the (invalid and false) excuse that since there are military assets of significance in areas of civilian population throughout the USA, American civilians, like you, can't "pretend to have a moral high ground when your shit gets taken out."

War is an unnecessary evil. Always remember the wise dictum that the worst peace is better than the best war.

By the way, when considering who is and who is not a hero, one question I recently heard on the radio talk show was is why it was that Hanoi Jane got a major drubbing from the press for her misguided and scandalous activities whereas Hanoi Rose did not, indeed was eulogised as a hero of the highest order. Hmmmmmmm.

Last point. If it is the heroic you seek to identify, consider Dr. Ron Paul. You would also be able to look to people like Don Garlits. There are many real heroes scattered throughout the USA and all over.

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