Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

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Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue May 15, 2018 10:57 am

Ouch, this is going to leave a mark. :D The whole investigation is a sham. Make-believe is the correct term.

One of the Russian companies special counsel Robert Mueller accused of interfering in the 2016 presidential election is asking a federal judge to determine if he is engaging in a sham criminal case.
Foreign interference in the presidential election is a “make-believe crime,” Concord Management and Consulting said in a court filing Monday. The company argues the case is an example of Mueller attempting to “justify his own existence” by indicting “a Russian — any Russian.”

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has “rejected the history and integrity of the DOJ and instead licensed a Special Counsel who for all practical political purposes cannot be fired, to indict a case that has absolutely nothing to do with any links or coordination between any candidate and the Russian Government,” Concord wrote in the court filing.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/14/conco ... e-charges/

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by sanfordandson » Tue May 15, 2018 11:27 am

Wonder what the Russians are afraid of? :lol: =D>

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by Firedome8 » Tue May 15, 2018 1:40 pm

Can't wait for the next episode ..

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by Firedome8 » Tue May 15, 2018 1:45 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 10:57 am
Ouch, this is going to leave a mark. :D The whole investigation is a sham. Make-believe is the correct term.

One of the Russian companies special counsel Robert Mueller accused of interfering in the 2016 presidential election is asking a federal judge to determine if he is engaging in a sham criminal case.
Foreign interference in the presidential election is a “make-believe crime,” Concord Management and Consulting said in a court filing Monday. The company argues the case is an example of Mueller attempting to “justify his own existence” by indicting “a Russian — any Russian.”

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has “rejected the history and integrity of the DOJ and instead licensed a Special Counsel who for all practical political purposes cannot be fired, to indict a case that has absolutely nothing to do with any links or coordination between any candidate and the Russian Government,” Concord wrote in the court filing.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/14/conco ... e-charges/
They want all records back to 1940......lol

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by Ratu » Tue May 15, 2018 1:54 pm

Quoting, "They want all records back to 1940......lol"

Nothing to laugh about. It is a deadly serious move. If they get even a fraction of those records in front of the international public those records would create huuuuuge outrage against the USA government. They'd confirm how the USA govt has been interfering with elections and the governments in other countries for decades.

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by j-c-c » Tue May 15, 2018 1:59 pm

Ratu wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 1:54 pm
Quoting, "They want all records back to 1940......lol"

Nothing to laugh about. It is a deadly serious move. If they get even a fraction of those records in front of the international public those records would create huuuuuge outrage against the USA government. They'd confirm how the USA govt has been interfering with elections and the governments in other countries for decades.
You are only guilty if caught?

So are we arguing its "make believe" or its fair because the US did(?) the same but didn't get caught?

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by Ratu » Tue May 15, 2018 2:34 pm

It is a legal strategy, one with high consequences and it puts the defendant in a strong opening position.

If those records were to be made public then the prosecutorial case is morally and legally diminished since the entity undertaking prosecution is guilty of the same activities it is accusing others of undertaking. If the demand for discovery is frustrated the effect is a demonstration that there is something of substance being hidden. This confirms the moral weakness of the charges and of the position of much of the apparatus of the US government.

The emergence of these records would confirm what has been understood to be occurring. That is the US govt has engaged in interferences in other countries political systems. Revelation would be an admission of guilt. Such an admission wrecks the import of the allegations against Russia (for supposedly altering the results of the US Presidential election) due to what would be seen as an obvious hypocrisy of the US politically motivated complaints. It would definitely create a lot of opposition to US govt activities domestically and internationally. In a sense, this strategy is similar to how the Russian govt and its military have been able to win in Syria without a direct hostile confrontation against Western military assets (ISIS, "moderate rebels" and so on). They use the weaknesses of their opponents against the interests of said opponents. In this case the hypocrisy of accusing someone of doing the same badnesses as you have been doing historically is revealed. The past catches up with the present, so to speak.

All in all, this is a particularly effective opening. It sure sends a message.

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by Firedome8 » Tue May 15, 2018 3:43 pm

Ratu wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 1:54 pm
Quoting, "They want all records back to 1940......lol"

Nothing to laugh about. It is a deadly serious move. If they get even a fraction of those records in front of the international public those records would create huuuuuge outrage against the USA government. They'd confirm how the USA govt has been interfering with elections and the governments in other countries for decades.
That's one time ol rump told the truth,,,,"do you think America is innocent?"

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by exhaustgases » Tue May 15, 2018 4:03 pm

And Ratu isn't it nice that the judge wouldn't let muleher postpone it either? Looks like the demo crooks didn't plan on the Russki's wanting to go to court. Wow the Russki's are trying to show how long the deep state has been in operation, back to the 1940's.

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue May 15, 2018 4:48 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 11:27 am
Wonder what the Russians are afraid of? :lol: =D>
With this company, false accusations from Mueller. By the way this company was not even in existence during the time period in question. [-X

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by j-c-c » Tue May 15, 2018 7:24 pm

Ratu wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 2:34 pm
It is a legal strategy, one with high consequences and it puts the defendant in a strong opening position.

If those records were to be made public then the prosecutorial case is morally and legally diminished since the entity undertaking prosecution is guilty of the same activities it is accusing others of undertaking. If the demand for discovery is frustrated the effect is a demonstration that there is something of substance being hidden. This confirms the moral weakness of the charges and of the position of much of the apparatus of the US government.

The emergence of these records would confirm what has been understood to be occurring. That is the US govt has engaged in interferences in other countries political systems. Revelation would be an admission of guilt. Such an admission wrecks the import of the allegations against Russia (for supposedly altering the results of the US Presidential election) due to what would be seen as an obvious hypocrisy of the US politically motivated complaints. It would definitely create a lot of opposition to US govt activities domestically and internationally. In a sense, this strategy is similar to how the Russian govt and its military have been able to win in Syria without a direct hostile confrontation against Western military assets (ISIS, "moderate rebels" and so on). They use the weaknesses of their opponents against the interests of said opponents. In this case the hypocrisy of accusing someone of doing the same badnesses as you have been doing historically is revealed. The past catches up with the present, so to speak.

All in all, this is a particularly effective opening. It sure sends a message.
There is no law against hypocrisy, case gets simply dismissed with prejudice if ordered documents are not provided, and nearly everything the gov does in international circles is political, whats new about that?

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by sanfordandson » Tue May 15, 2018 10:45 pm

Firedome8 wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 1:40 pm
Can't wait for the next episode ..
Tick Tock Tick Tock!! :lol:

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by exhaustgases » Tue May 15, 2018 10:51 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 10:45 pm
Firedome8 wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 1:40 pm
Can't wait for the next episode ..
Tick Tock Tick Tock!! :lol:
Me too, when the Marxists are called by the proper name.

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by Ratu » Wed May 16, 2018 2:12 am

j-c-c

The point is not whether US law lets the US govt off or not. It is what is disclosed to the public.

If the Russian company is able to extract evidence from the US govt's own records that the US govt has been interfering in the elections and politics of other countries by various means, including methods immoral and foul, then THAT renders the complaints being delivered from elements of the US govt somewhat moot. The public, especially internationally, will indeed become more and more likely to distrust the US govt and even to oppose it. Many will come to withdraw support as allies and even start acting in direct opposition to its actions and to its interests. That is a big deal. Eventually it would lead to a situation wherein neutrals and even allies are going to start looking for ways to extract themselves from various treaties, political deals and relationships which are vital to the interests of the US govt. It also means that many of these are going to start looking towards Russia for leadership and to OBOR for finance and trade.

Hypocrisy may not be illegal under US govt law, but it does NOTHING to engender support nor to encourage other nations to accept any leadership from the US govt. This particular hypocrisy is a glaring example of immorality. It isn't acceptable and won't be accepted.

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Re: Russian Company Asks Judge To Dismiss Mueller’s ‘Make-Believe’ Charges

Post by Ratu » Wed May 16, 2018 2:24 am

exhaustgases

You are correct. No postponement. THAT is exactly how the Court ought to have operated.

The judge is reasoning along these lines. The Russian company has been charged. OK. Then you must have evidence. Let's try it. We go to trial. Begin.

You write, "Wow the Russki's are trying to show how long the deep state has been in operation, back to the 1940's."

That is exactly what their strategy is setting out to do. Even if no records are revealed, they have still won big by raising the matter and putting it into the public domain, front and centre.

This is a very big deal.

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