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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by exhaustgases » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:53 pm

Trump isn't in control its still the deep state, and very likely setting him up. But then who knows.

Maybe all a nice ploy to take our attention off the Nunes findings and mcbabe and commie and all that fun stuff. You know a huge distraction from all the nice info coming out about all the feebi corruption and dojo corruption, hiiiillllaaarry corruption and such.

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by RevTheory » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:31 pm

So we trust the Russian propaganda machine now?

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by 1989TransAm » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:32 pm

RevTheory wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:31 pm
So we trust the Russian propaganda machine now?
... and the Iranian and the Syrian.

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by sanfordandson » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:39 pm

RevTheory wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:31 pm
So we trust the Russian propaganda machine now?
Trump voters did...

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by RevTheory » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:44 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:32 pm
RevTheory wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:31 pm
So we trust the Russian propaganda machine now?
... and the Iranian and the Syrian.
Yeah, when we start believing those guys and trying to say that Great Britain trained babies to act hurt and that Trump pulled Britain and France together to bomb someone to distract the media from a book, my eyes just glaze over.

The argument is over at that point.

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by Ratu » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:20 pm

Quoting, "So we trust the Russian propaganda machine now?"

Yeah, everyone all around the world is supposed to trust in the US propaganda machine instead.

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by Ratu » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:46 pm

Mk e

You write in a response to Fireinthemountain, “And you believe that? The British murdered 40 civilians with chemical weapons to make Russia look bad, that is the story right?”

He is likely correct and that is what has occurred. While the UK government could well claim it did not commit the act itself and pretend to plausible deniability, the evidence the Russians have been revealing (some of it ahead of time) demonstrate that it is agencies and personnel directly controlled by the UK government that are involved.

This, as with the last one, was a false flag operation. Murdering 40 civilians you say? Well, that has never, ever, stopped such agencies from engaging in this type of behaviour previously. Why, after so many decades, would that have changed in recent weeks?

You also write, “The same Russians who just used chemical weapon inside England?...oh wait that was fake too.”

The Russian government has been ACCUSED of using chemical weapons of a specific type against two of its own nationals in the UK. No evidence whatsoever has been forthcoming to support the allegation. NONE. All the PM May and some of her Ministers have been able to deliver are repeated allegations and name calling.

More recently there has been the development that the chemical weapons experts at Porton Downs laboratory stated they are unable to determine where the chemicals deployed were manufactured, nor even who was involved. Did you even bother to read what they reported? They said that there is no evidence or proof whatsoever that any of this had anything to do with the Russian government. What they have said is that it was some form of organophosphate.

More recently yet the Swiss State Spiez Laboratories concluded the chemical agent was BZ. They said as much in their report to the OPCW. Now BZ happens to have been manufactured by the USA (which retains plenty of chemical weapons), the UK and was in service by NATO members. It was not manufactured in the USSR or Russia.

One notes that the Skripals have been kept well isolated from the public, from Russian consular officials, from the independent media etc. The daughter, now recovered has been spirited away to a secret and isolated location. Not even a single interview has been allowed…. Not a word from her. As to her father, He is said to be recovering. It has been reported he had more than a little to do with the creation of the infamous fake dossier on President Trump, which in itself was intentional fake news.

This poisoning was a false flag event start to finish. As the Russians mentioned, if they wanted Skripal dead he’d have been gone long before now and they’d not have used such a cumbersome failure as the means.

Quoting you, “where (sic) it up to me all aircraft is Syria, including Russia would have been targeted and a demand issued the Assad be delivered to the Hague.”

Three things about what would happen were things up to you.

Targeting all aircraft in Syria including Russian would be an act of aggressive war. That is, it is illegal and would be a war crime.

Second, The answer to your demand would be, “No!” So now you’d have backed yourself into a corner. What then, Mr President frustrated blow-arse war criminal?

Third, if you acted against the Russian military in Syria in order to try to eliminate President Assad from power, do you seriously believe that Russia (let alone China) would not respond? Count on President Putin sticking to his word (as he always has done) and retaliating against the US military with devastating result. Count on the war arriving right onto the US mainland almost immediately.

Quoting, “Then the world would understand we are serious when we say chemical weapons are not OK.”

Interesting that of all the parties to the CWC agreeing to eliminate chemical weapons the USA has retained enormous chemical weapons stockpiles. Indeed, the USA have more than everyone else. So yeah, you are going to be taken seriously when you say “chemical weapons are not OK.” It is serious alright. Much of the world seriously sees you as being ruled by a regime of hypocrites and liars.

Why is it that you have not directed your attention to the oversight of the US chemical weapons stockpiles?

Just wonderin'.

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by exhaustgases » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:16 pm

Ratu wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:20 pm
Quoting, "So we trust the Russian propaganda machine now?"

Yeah, everyone all around the world is supposed to trust in the US propaganda machine instead.
Yeah especially the deep state one. Just check out my how bad them Rooooski's are thread. They are the ones that made all our crap regulations that trump has gotten rid of. They are the ones that create crap regs to remove our liberties. They force high property taxes on us all, and yeah they hated us having a chance at true freedom and got rid of the homesteading act. Yeah lets blame all the crap in our lives on them Rooooski's. Oh and never believe what they say, the criminals in control here are the only truth tellers. If you don't think so just keep watching all the truth telling news media, they tell ya all the truth. Oh and for the realllllll truth watch them ------------ on the Veiw.

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by RevTheory » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:24 pm

Trump just showed the world Putin's skirt. They don't have the economy nor the hardware; they have rusted sabres to rattle and propaganda.

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by sanfordandson » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:34 pm

RevTheory wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:24 pm
Trump just showed the world Putin's skirt. They don't have the economy nor the hardware; they have rusted sabres to rattle and propaganda.
So WW3 should be an easy win for us is what youre saying?

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by Kevin Johnson » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:35 pm

Ratu wrote:
... Interesting that of all the parties to the CWC agreeing to eliminate chemical weapons the USA has retained enormous chemical weapons stockpiles. Indeed, the USA have more than everyone else. So yeah, you are going to be taken seriously when you say “chemical weapons are not OK.” It is serious alright. Much of the world seriously sees you as being ruled by a regime of hypocrites and liars.

Why is it that you have not directed your attention to the oversight of the US chemical weapons stockpiles?
Do you believe the following information?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_chemical_weapons_program#Chemical_weapons_disposal Chemical weapons disposal wrote: According to the U.S. Army Chemical Materials Agency, by January 2012 the United States had destroyed 89.75% of the original stockpile of nearly 31,100 metric tons (34,300 tons) of nerve and mustard agents declared in 1997.[14] The U.S. disposed of the more dangerous modern chemical weapons before starting the destruction of its older mustard gas stockpile which presented additional difficulties due to the poor condition of some of the shells. Of the weapons destroyed up to 2006, 500 tons were mustard gas and the majority were other agents such as VX and sarin (GB) (86% of the latter was destroyed by April 2006).[16] 14,000 metric tons (15,400 tons) of prohibited weapons had been destroyed by June 2007 to meet the Phase III quota and deadline.[17]

The original commitment in Phase III required all countries to have 45 percent of the chemical stockpiles destroyed by April 2004. Anticipating the failure to meet this deadline, the Bush administration in September 2003 requested a new deadline of December 2007 for Phase III and announced a probable need for an extension until April 2012 for Phase IV, total destruction (requests for deadline extensions cannot formally be made until 12 months before the original deadline). This extension procedure spelled out in the treaty has been utilized by other countries, including Russia and the unnamed "state party". Although April 2012 is the latest date allowed by the treaty, the U.S. also noted that this deadline may not be met due to environmental challenges and the U.S. decision to destroy leaking individual chemical shells before bulk storage chemical weapons.[18][19]

The primary remaining chemical weapon storage facilities in the U.S. are Pueblo Chemical Depot in Colorado and Blue Grass Army Depot in Kentucky.[20] These two facilities hold 10.25% of the U.S. 1997 declared stockpile and destruction operations are under the Program Executive Office, Assembled Chemical Weapons Alternatives.[21] Other non-stockpile agents (usually test kits) or old buried munitions are occasionally found and are sometimes destroyed in place. Disposal of chemical munitions has concluded at seven of the U.S.'s nine chemical depots (89.75% stockpile reduction). Pueblo and Blue Grass are constructing pilot plans to test novel methods of disposal. The U.S. also uses mobile treatment systems to treat chemical test samples and individual shells without requiring transport from the artillery ranges and abandoned munitions depots where they are occasionally found. The destruction facility for Pueblo began disposal operations in March 2015.[22] Completion at Pueblo is expected in 2019. Blue Grass is expected to complete operation by 2021.[23]

In 1988–1990, the destruction of munitions containing BZ, a non-lethal hallucinating agent occurred at Pine Bluff Chemical Activity in Arkansas. Hawthorne Army Depot in Nevada destroyed all M687 chemical artillery shells and 458 metric tons of binary precursor chemicals by July 1999. Operations were completed at Johnston Atoll Chemical Agent Disposal System, where all 640 metric tons of chemical agents were destroyed by 2000, as well as at Edgewood Chemical Activity in Maryland, with 1,472 metric tons of agents destroyed by February 2006. All DF and QL, chemical weapons precursors, were destroyed in 2006 at Pine Bluff. Newport Chemical Depot in Indiana began destruction operations in May, 2005 and completed operations on August 8, 2008, disposing of 1,152 tonnes of agents. Pine Bluff completed destruction of 3,850 tons of weapons on November 12, 2010. Anniston Chemical Activity in Alabama completed disposal on September 22, 2011. Umatilla Chemical Depot in Oregon finished disposal on October 25, 2011. Tooele Chemical Demilitarization Facility at Deseret Chemical Depot in Utah finished disposal on January 21, 2012.[14]

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by RevTheory » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:55 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:34 pm
RevTheory wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:24 pm
Trump just showed the world Putin's skirt. They don't have the economy nor the hardware; they have rusted sabres to rattle and propaganda.
So WW3 should be an easy win for us is what youre saying?
I hate the fact that I'm actually reading, much less responding to your troll posts but what does WW3 mean to you? Nuclear mutually-assured destruction?

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by Ratu » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:30 am

Hi Kevin

Let's be assuming the Wikipedia information is correct. That would mean there remains some *3,000 tonnes of US chemical weapons in the stockpile. That is vast! The US govt promises it will be disposed of by 2023 which is over a decade longer than was originally promised (the original date was 2012 and that was promised after other delays and slippages- don't forget the CWC was signed in the early '90s). So that's a credibility problem right there. 3,000 tonnes of chemical weapons all ready to go..... when?

Meanwhile, under the auspices of a UN Security Council Resolution Syria's stockpile of around 1,000 tonnes of weapons and weapons precursors was dismantled and destroyed. They also dismantled their weapons manufacturing capability, such as it was. The disposal and rendering harmless of the Syrian chemical weapons stockpile took months and certainly not a decade or more.

Note that the UN Security Council Resolution binds Western and Arab states just as it does the Syrians. Western and Arab states are responsible for ensuring the "non-state" actors (terrorists, jihadis etc) they back and support are not supplied with chemical weapons, precursors or technology. The evidence strongly points to this part of the Resolution as having been violated on more than one occasion.




* It is worth considering the original stockpiles of 31,300 tonnes in the USA and the Soviet one of some 39,000 tonnes. What were they thinking they were going to do with all of this? It is beyond horrific. Can it possibly be imagined how terribly all the people would have suffered had that lot been used as intended? So who benefits from making all this evil stuff? It would seem there is a lot of power and money in making weapons like these that the population can be bilched to pay for.

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Re: Bombs away in Syria

Post by Ratu » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:19 am

RevTheory

To make it plain. President Assad's military has just demonstrated that with 1970s Russian air defense technology it is possible to ensure that less than 1/3 of the US "smart" weapons successfully reach a target.

President Putin has nothing to prove here. It's been done on his behalf. The Syrians resisted a massive US and UK attack. The attack achieved exactly nothing save to stiffen Syrian resolve. It was a futile waste of US reputation and treasure. Surely this outcome can't have been what was intended.

Just remember a few things. President Putin has said that attacks on Russian or its allies WILL elicit response. He has been reliable with his statements in the past. Expect response. It will be asymmetric in nature, as previously. Consider possibilities. S-300 for Syria, say. What about Spestnaz trainers dispatched to places where US military personnel are engaged in "policing actions to suppress rebels". Watch the casualties climb then. Imagine an international version of a Vietnam War scenario with body bags coming home from everyplace... Of course, the Russians may do none of that but rather act in some other hitherto unexpected manner. They excel at painful surprises. Whatever comes, it will be bad.

This all needs to be walked back from the brink. Syria is not a place the West ought to be interfering within.

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