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Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:14 pm

From the New York Law Journal. IMHO it is very dangerous territory that Mueller and SDNY have entered into.

"On Monday, the FBI raided offices of Michael Cohen, Esq. to get the lawyer’s records, all his client records, business records, memos to the file, etc.
what happened yesterday is appalling. As working lawyers, most of us have within our files our own memos dealing with information on the private lives of husbands, wives, messy family disputes, with all kinds of claims and cross claims, in criminal; cases of defendants (guilty and innocent), corporate people (naughty and nice), etc. Everyone has a right to counsel and to exercise their attorney-client privilege, and everyone has a right to be honestly and ethically defended without being concerned for the violation of their attorney-client privilege.
The copout seems to be that other federal investigators go through the files primarily creating a “wall” and then give only those relevant materials to their colleagues, who undoubtedly they will then have lunch with.... Let us not suspend common sense.
Nobody elected any of these prosecutors...should a handful of prosecutors be allowed to override the will of the people? Do we want a bunch of prosecutors running our country? That did not seem to work in the Salem Witch trials, the McCarthyism inquisitions nor for Mr. Robespierre.
And all of these draconian actions of investigators are for what? Chasing after adults who had a consensual relationship and his lawyer who is also his friend for writing a check. The only assault on our democracy seems to be from a by now desperate special counsel chasing vague shadows who should be gone. It is a disgrace, and, by the way, I am a registered independent and am a former federal prosecutor."

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2 ... 0310231409
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Re: Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism

Post by Firedome8 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:42 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... witchcraft

No that would be right wing religous nutters.

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Re: Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism

Post by David Redszus » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:36 am

Firedome8 wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:42 pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... witchcraft

No that would be right wing religous nutters.
Modern era Witchcraft trials are conducted by left wing socialists.

The really neat thing about politics is payback. :lol:

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Post by exhaustgases » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:45 am

The demo's are the witch trail specialists, they wanted to burn non climate change believers at the stake.

Easy math............ 2 + 2 = ????? oh yeah 4 right

Demo c rats = dump trump
FBI = dump trump

Demo c rats + fbi = demo c rats on steroids.

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Re: Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism

Post by Firedome8 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:06 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:36 am
Firedome8 wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:42 pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... witchcraft

No that would be right wing religous nutters.
Modern era Witchcraft trials are conducted by left wing socialists.

The really neat thing about politics is payback. :lol:
Like they did to bill Clinton?

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Re: Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism

Post by 1989TransAm » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:43 pm

Firedome8 wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:06 pm
David Redszus wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:36 am
Firedome8 wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:42 pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... witchcraft

No that would be right wing religous nutters.
Modern era Witchcraft trials are conducted by left wing socialists.

The really neat thing about politics is payback. :lol:
Like they did to bill Clinton?
Do you believe that the Clinton's are crooks or do you think they are fine upstanding people?

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Re: Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism

Post by j-c-c » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:54 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:14 pm
From the New York Law Journal. IMHO it is very dangerous territory that Mueller and SDNY have entered into.

"On Monday, the FBI raided offices of Michael Cohen, Esq. to get the lawyer’s records, all his client records, business records, memos to the file, etc.
what happened yesterday is appalling. As working lawyers, most of us have within our files our own memos dealing with information on the private lives of husbands, wives, messy family disputes, with all kinds of claims and cross claims, in criminal; cases of defendants (guilty and innocent), corporate people (naughty and nice), etc. Everyone has a right to counsel and to exercise their attorney-client privilege, and everyone has a right to be honestly and ethically defended without being concerned for the violation of their attorney-client privilege.
The copout seems to be that other federal investigators go through the files primarily creating a “wall” and then give only those relevant materials to their colleagues, who undoubtedly they will then have lunch with.... Let us not suspend common sense.
Nobody elected any of these prosecutors...should a handful of prosecutors be allowed to override the will of the people? Do we want a bunch of prosecutors running our country? That did not seem to work in the Salem Witch trials, the McCarthyism inquisitions nor for Mr. Robespierre.
And all of these draconian actions of investigators are for what? Chasing after adults who had a consensual relationship and his lawyer who is also his friend for writing a check. The only assault on our democracy seems to be from a by now desperate special counsel chasing vague shadows who should be gone. It is a disgrace, and, by the way, I am a registered independent and am a former federal prosecutor."

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2 ... 0310231409
Not following the rule of law, allowing anyone to be above the law, dismissing accountability, and using propaganda (using selective biased facts to slyly promote a favored agenda) regarding past history, to further one's agenda, are far more dangerous for a democracy then getting a warrant to search a lawyer's office suspected of a crime, approved by a Judge and other justice officials. Get real..

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Post by exhaustgases » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:02 pm

j-c-c wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:54 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:14 pm
From the New York Law Journal. IMHO it is very dangerous territory that Mueller and SDNY have entered into.

"On Monday, the FBI raided offices of Michael Cohen, Esq. to get the lawyer’s records, all his client records, business records, memos to the file, etc.
what happened yesterday is appalling. As working lawyers, most of us have within our files our own memos dealing with information on the private lives of husbands, wives, messy family disputes, with all kinds of claims and cross claims, in criminal; cases of defendants (guilty and innocent), corporate people (naughty and nice), etc. Everyone has a right to counsel and to exercise their attorney-client privilege, and everyone has a right to be honestly and ethically defended without being concerned for the violation of their attorney-client privilege.
The copout seems to be that other federal investigators go through the files primarily creating a “wall” and then give only those relevant materials to their colleagues, who undoubtedly they will then have lunch with.... Let us not suspend common sense.
Nobody elected any of these prosecutors...should a handful of prosecutors be allowed to override the will of the people? Do we want a bunch of prosecutors running our country? That did not seem to work in the Salem Witch trials, the McCarthyism inquisitions nor for Mr. Robespierre.
And all of these draconian actions of investigators are for what? Chasing after adults who had a consensual relationship and his lawyer who is also his friend for writing a check. The only assault on our democracy seems to be from a by now desperate special counsel chasing vague shadows who should be gone. It is a disgrace, and, by the way, I am a registered independent and am a former federal prosecutor."

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2 ... 0310231409
Not following the rule of law, allowing anyone to be above the law, dismissing accountability, and using propaganda (using selective biased facts to slyly promote a favored agenda) regarding past history, to further one's agenda, are far more dangerous for a democracy then getting a warrant to search a lawyer's office suspected of a crime, approved by a Judge and other justice officials. Get real..
Are you talking about Hiiiilllarrry and that bunch or what? Or if not then that all is just fine right?

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Re: Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism

Post by j-c-c » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:07 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:02 pm
j-c-c wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:54 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:14 pm
From the New York Law Journal. IMHO it is very dangerous territory that Mueller and SDNY have entered into.

"On Monday, the FBI raided offices of Michael Cohen, Esq. to get the lawyer’s records, all his client records, business records, memos to the file, etc.
what happened yesterday is appalling. As working lawyers, most of us have within our files our own memos dealing with information on the private lives of husbands, wives, messy family disputes, with all kinds of claims and cross claims, in criminal; cases of defendants (guilty and innocent), corporate people (naughty and nice), etc. Everyone has a right to counsel and to exercise their attorney-client privilege, and everyone has a right to be honestly and ethically defended without being concerned for the violation of their attorney-client privilege.
The copout seems to be that other federal investigators go through the files primarily creating a “wall” and then give only those relevant materials to their colleagues, who undoubtedly they will then have lunch with.... Let us not suspend common sense.
Nobody elected any of these prosecutors...should a handful of prosecutors be allowed to override the will of the people? Do we want a bunch of prosecutors running our country? That did not seem to work in the Salem Witch trials, the McCarthyism inquisitions nor for Mr. Robespierre.
And all of these draconian actions of investigators are for what? Chasing after adults who had a consensual relationship and his lawyer who is also his friend for writing a check. The only assault on our democracy seems to be from a by now desperate special counsel chasing vague shadows who should be gone. It is a disgrace, and, by the way, I am a registered independent and am a former federal prosecutor."

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2 ... 0310231409
Not following the rule of law, allowing anyone to be above the law, dismissing accountability, and using propaganda (using selective biased facts to slyly promote a favored agenda) regarding past history, to further one's agenda, are far more dangerous for a democracy then getting a warrant to search a lawyer's office suspected of a crime, approved by a Judge and other justice officials. Get real..


Are you talking about Hiiiilllarrry and that bunch or what? Or if not then that all is just fine right?
and using propaganda(using selective biased facts to slyly promote a favored agenda) regarding past history, to further one's agenda, are far more dangerous for a democracy

Does this help answer your question?

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Post by exhaustgases » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:11 pm

Yes it does answer it. You are talking about the fake dossier that Hiiiillllarrry and that bunch fabricated.

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Post by j-c-c » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:09 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:11 pm
Yes it does answer it. You are talking about the fake dossier that Hiiiillllarrry and that bunch fabricated.
Stay on topic or start another thread, this thread is about and titled:

"Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism"

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Post by 1989TransAm » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:16 pm

j-c-c wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:09 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:11 pm
Yes it does answer it. You are talking about the fake dossier that Hiiiillllarrry and that bunch fabricated.
Stay on topic or start another thread, this thread is about and titled:

"Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism"
The fake dossier is on topic. It is about the Mueller investigation.

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Post by sanfordandson » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:54 pm

Interesting that the same folks that wanted to "lock her up" with no die process have a big problem with due process being followed.

Sounds like a bunch of communists to me. No wonder they love Putin so much...

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Re: Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism

Post by Firedome8 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:49 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:43 pm
Firedome8 wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:06 pm
David Redszus wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:36 am


Modern era Witchcraft trials are conducted by left wing socialists.

The really neat thing about politics is payback. :lol:
Like they did to bill Clinton?
Do you believe that the Clinton's are crooks or do you think they are fine upstanding people?
What crimes are they indicted on? Didn't trump praise the Clintons? I'll look up the video and post it. I remember when all the gop could talk about was Clintons dick. All the Wile Osama bin Laden was plotting against us. I guess some of this is what David called payback.

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Re: Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism

Post by exhaustgases » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:34 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:16 pm
j-c-c wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:09 pm
exhaustgases wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:11 pm
Yes it does answer it. You are talking about the fake dossier that Hiiiillllarrry and that bunch fabricated.
Stay on topic or start another thread, this thread is about and titled:

"Seizure of Cohen Records Akin to Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism"
The fake dossier is on topic. It is about the Mueller investigation.
Yeah shows the brain dead bunch on here doesn't it? They just hate to see the real truth, and the real collusion.

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