Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by pdq67 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:10 am

Right, Rev!! -----------

----------- "And no shit Paul, you don't dare mess with the US military. Too bad we have to play by the rules."

I figure push comes to shove, the rules will go out the window!! Looking back, they went out the window when we nuked the Japs and in a couple of fell sweeps we killed 100's of thousands!

And again, I would like to see both countries put back together for the good of both country's citizens..

BUT they have to want to do this, not made to by us or anybody else!

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by RevTheory » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:31 am

By playing by the rules, I was referring to the cockroaches setting up command posts in hospitals and weapons caches in mosques because they know we have a code of honor and won't wipe them out.

Too bad we can't turn that whole desert into a sheet of glass :mrgreen:

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by lefty o » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:56 pm

pdq67 wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:10 am
Right, Rev!! -----------

----------- "And no shit Paul, you don't dare mess with the US military. Too bad we have to play by the rules."

I figure push comes to shove, the rules will go out the window!! Looking back, they went out the window when we nuked the Japs and in a couple of fell sweeps we killed 100's of thousands!

And again, I would like to see both countries put back together for the good of both country's citizens..

BUT they have to want to do this, not made to by us or anybody else!

pdq67
we actually killed many more by firebombing their cities. sadly since then we have become politically correct and due to our liberal politicians, our country no longer has the balls to conduct a war with actual intent to win!

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by gmrocket » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:00 pm

Ratu wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:50 am
Quoting, "If they stop blasting rockets over Japan and threatening the rest of the world,, I'll say it "worked"."

The idea that North Korea can launch a nuclear device at Japan or at the USA bugs you, doesn't it? Not to pick on you in particular, but had any of you considered the scenario the other way around? What about the perspective of other countries, ones which face exactly that same threat, but with the USA as the wielder of nuclear weapons etc and threatening to use them? THAT is what Kim faced and still faces. It is what motivated him and his government cronies to behave as they have done.

Kim is a ruthless man, a terror really. He is a survivor and he is not a fool. He was educated in the west and he knows exactly what he is up against. He also knows what happened to others in his position who gave up their nuclear weapons programs in the past (think on Libya and Iraq). He'll not give up his programs unless and until he judges he is secure and safe.

Understanding the motivations of those you are going to enter negotiations with is extremely important. Attempting to impose something one-sided or unilateral will not "work" since it will not address the interests (including the motivations) of the other.
Well, when a whacky dictator launches rockets that clearly show they have the range to hit North America quite easily, ya, I'm a bit bothered by that...just a touch.. a tiny bit..

Are you kidding? Is that a serious question or what?

And you say look at it from nk's side??
good lord...

The country is a pathetic isolated regime, its people are stunted in growth from starvation and live in horrific conditions,, and you expect free people to see it from their side?

I feel sorry for the people there who actually have been brainwashed into thinking the west wants to kill them...

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by Ratu » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:13 am

Quoting, "Are you kidding? Is that a serious question or what? "
I am not kidding. It is a serious question. Had you considered it? From the response it would appear it had never occurred to you. Best consider it now. Think on it.

Quoting, "And you say look at it from nk's side??"
Yes. That is what you MUST do in order to understand the motivation, or in another way of looking at it, the causes which lead to the action. Learn your opposition. Understand him better than he does himself.

Quoting, "The country is a pathetic isolated regime,"
Not as pathetic, not as isolated as various mainstream propaganda services and fake news outfits would have you believe. Consider, the North Koreans developed and successfully tested nuclear explosive devices as well as several delivery platforms good enough to reach not only South Korea, but Guam, Japan, Hawaii and at the very least the western coastal cities of the mainland USA. They may even have a usable EMP device. Now are these developments being attained by a backward, isolated, pathetic regime? Seriously. Think carefully on it. Consider the demands required to master the technology. Consider acquisition of important materials...

Conclusion:- North Korea is not as isolated as many would like to think, nor as pathetic, nor as backward, nor as stupid.


Quoting, "its people are stunted in growth from starvation and live in horrific conditions,"
Consider to what extent it is the USA which has been a causal element in creating exactly this situation.


Quoting "and you expect free people to see it from their side?"
Yes. There is no excuse for ignorance amongst free people. Look, North Korea is presently operating under a terrible regime. It is socialist and all things socialist inevitably fail. In the meantime though, it IS operating. It has a functioning society and culture. It has an operational military which would be exceedingly difficult to deal with absent massive loss of life, destruction and suffering. The military option is not available (assuming the objective is not merely to annihilate millions of Koreans since they are all foreigners anyway and they live way over there and who are, well, different from y'all).

The issue is, how you want the regime to fail or to be replaced. Do you seek millions of deaths, destruction, international depression and the distinct possibility of a regional or world war as violence spreads? Do you seek the regime to be replaced by a modern Capitalist society or, at least, something approximating that, without widespread death and destruction? If the former is your preferred option, then you need know very little about anything. Just stick to a national myth of exceptionalism and self-righteousness and start war right away. Don't be too surprised if it doesn't work out as you'd prefer though. Likely outcome (apart from all the death and destruction etc) is that you'd lose and lose big.

If, on the other hand, the latter option is preferred, then you need to do three things, namely:
a) learn your opponent
b) negotiate with your opponent and work to undermine him by removing that which motivates him to act as you'd prefer he didn't (he'll think he is gaining the win here, but he isn't really*)
c) reward your opponent when he commits to actions which are to your advantage and suit your interests

It is a process which is being entered into and it is one which will necessarily last for an extended period of time. You'll need wisdom and patience.

If you understand what Kim and his government are thinking and what motivates them, what they seek and what they are likely to trade, then you are in the position to use diplomatic means to attain your objectives. That is, if you do (a) then you are able to do (b) & (c).

In that regard think about THEM first.

Q:- What do they want from you?
A:- Cessation of military exercises each year during their crop planting season (that is what leads to their food shortages). A peace treaty to end the Korean War finally. A guarantee of security (no US led invasion, no more threats, no aggressive military posturing, action or doctrine).

Q:- What is it you want from them?
A:- Stop nuclear weapons testing and dismantle all the North Korean nuclear weapons.


Final point. The USA was built up and gained its wealth, lifestyle, high standard of living, technology, culture etc etc etc on the economic basis of laissez-faire Capitalism. That made the nation rich beyond dreams. It is puzzling that having the historical evidence which demonstrates that system easily eclipses all others, the US people and the US government do not have the confidence and courage to adhere to what made America great. In order to ensure removal of the present regime in Korea all that needs to occur is the introduction of Capitalism. The people there will do the rest. So, eliminate sanctions. Introduce trade. Introduce tourism. Allow investment to cross the border with the North. Allow the people of the South to associate with their fellow Koreans in the North. Withdraw the US military. Stand back and watch. The socialism will collapse fast. The North will cease to be a military or political problem.



*this is analogous to the situation in martial arts where one can use the opponent's own force against him. In the Art of War, Sun Tzu also discusses this approach when he explains a strategy of using an opponent's strength against him.

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by pdq67 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:12 am

But Ratu,

I don't think the funny looking, crazy little fu*k has, "God on his side!"...

https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bobdyla ... rside.html

"With God On Our Side" lyrics

Bob Dylan Lyrics

Play "With God On Our Side" on Amazon Music

"With God On Our Side"


Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And the land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

The Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns on their hands
And God on their side.

The First World War, boys
It came and it went
The reason for fighting
I never did get
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And then we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war comes
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.

pdq67

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by Firedome8 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:46 am

pdq67 wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:12 am
But Ratu,

I don't think the funny looking, crazy little fu*k has, "God on his side!"...

https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bobdyla ... rside.html

"With God On Our Side" lyrics

Bob Dylan Lyrics

Play "With God On Our Side" on Amazon Music

"With God On Our Side"


Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And the land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

The Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns on their hands
And God on their side.

The First World War, boys
It came and it went
The reason for fighting
I never did get
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And then we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war comes
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.

pdq67
Point being, thair are no sky gods.

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by j-c-c » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:22 am

Ratu:

"Final point. The USA was built up and gained its wealth, lifestyle, high standard of living, technology, culture etc etc etc on the economic basis of laissez-faire Capitalism. That made the nation rich beyond dreams."

Seems like you dismissed an awful lot of other huge advantages to fit a pet narrative. The list is very long .
Start with a large undeveloped fertile resource rich suitable climate landmass, protected on two sides by great oceans, add slavery, and don't neglect in concert the rest of civilized world twice was at war with themselves, etc, etc.

Furthermore, when the above is not the case, seldom does " laissez-faire Capitalism" have the same favorable outcome. I believe there is a connection.

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by Ratu » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:22 pm

j-c-c

Note the term "economic basis". Think before you regurgitate random bromides.

A brief comment regarding slavery. Were not tens of millions of people subject to Russia's unfortunate experiment with socialism not slaves? You need to read up about this. It is far and away orders of magnitude worse than what occurred in the USA. Anyway, if you knew much about the economics of Capitalism you'd have realised slavery is not something caused by it or inherent within it. It is a corruption which works against Capitalism and undermines it. It violates the fundamental basics of Capitalism as an economic system.

Moving on. Here is some homework for you to complete. Do this properly and take the time to so do (try to avoid rushing to immature outburst).

Compare and contrast the USA with, say, Russia. Russia is a large, undeveloped, fertile, resource rich suitable climate landmass. It has access to the sea to the north, north west, south and east which has advantages for resource access and trade. In terms of natural resources Russia has everything necessary to become fabulously wealthy. It has what the USA has and far, far more besides. Russia has not been a country where the economic basis was Capitalism historically, whereas the USA has been.

Next compare and contrast the USA with, say, China. China is a large, relatively underdeveloped, fertile, resource rich land. It has access to the sea on its eastern side which has advantages for resource access and for sea trade. In terms of resources China has everything necessary to become fabulously wealthy. It has ample natural resources and access to yet more directly adjacent. China has not been a country where the economic basis was Capitalism historically, whereas the USA has been.

Let's compare and contrast the USA with, say, Singapore. Singapore is a small, highly developed, densely populated, predominantly urbanised land area. It has easy access to the sea which is advantageous for resource access and for sea trade. In terms of physical resources Singapore has, well, basically none. It is so bereft of resource it even has to import fresh water... Yet it has everything necessary to become fabulously wealthy, not that those fixated upon non-fundamentals would ever understand why. It has been operating an economy along predominantly Capitalist lines since it departed the Malaysian Federation.

The North American economy has operated predominantly along Capitalist lines well prior to the War of Independence and the Articles. Interestingly there were experiments in socialism undertaken by early settlers from Europe. These failed, resulting in suffering, starvation and even death. You may care to look up the history underlying the celebration of Thanksgiving. What you'll discover is the reason that particular group of settlers needed the handouts they received and which saved them. The reason is that they had set up a community practicing socialism. They were soon disabused of their economic ignorance. Anyway, saner heads prevailed elsewhere and the nation which formed operated primarily according to Capitalist economics. There were exceptions to this and it is correct that over time the USA has steadily and gradually moved away from Capitalism, tainting itself by adopting more and more elements of socialism. Nevertheless the vast gains enjoyed by the population were from a Capitalist economic system.

What is key here is that the mere possession of geographic location and resource (which the USA as well as China and Russia enjoy) is not the fundamental determinant in how wealthy a society will become. Notice how resource poor Singapore is and yet how wealthy it is despite a rather inauspicious history. It is important to realise that it matters what ideas are adopted, how people act as the result of these ideas and what economic system this results in.

Let's compare and consider the reverse of what occurred historically. Imagine an alternative economic process for the USA. Replace Washington, Jefferson et al with the likes of Lenin, Trotsky, Dzerzhinsky, Beria, Stalin etc. Impose the system of Lenin upon the fledgling USA. Eliminate the Capitalist economic system in the USA and replace it. The USA still would possess its huge resource base, access to the sea and all that. How would it turn out?

Go back and review Russia. Instead of Lenin and his mobsters, consider a Russian Washington, Jefferson et al successfully defeating Lenin and his ilk. How would Russia have developed with Capitalism? Actually this is not very difficult to do. It has already been done for you. Read what President Putin has written and look up what he has to say about the system of Lenin etc. It is highly recommended you do this. In particular I draw your attention to his analogy of the "bomb in the basement".

Next, do the same for China. Get rid of Mao Tse Tung and his crew of wreckers and replace them as we did in the Russian example above. What then? This is not so difficult to do. There have been immense changes in China as it dramatically altered economic direction and moved towards adopting a Capitalist economic system. The contrast is obvious,as are the results.

Finally. review Singapore again. Get rid of Lee Kwan Yue and impose Lenin or Mao. Could Singapore have become anything like what it is presently? Or would it have remained as filthy and impoverished as it once was?

The lesson is this. It matters what economic system is in effect in a country. Socialism in all its forms eventually fails. It is a wrecker of wealth, society, culture and peace. It is based on envy and lust for power over others. It is based on hubris. It contains an impossible to correct error. Laissez faire Capitalism builds wealth and it does that quite quickly. To the extent that Capitalism is practiced in a country the people there become wealthy. Capitalism demands absolute respect for property rights including the right to one's person. It is oppositional to the like of socialism, violence, crime, slavery. Based on the historical record there is no system of economics which is more suited to serve human beings than that.

Have the confidence in what is right and what is already proven to work successfully to apply it to North Korea. Stand back and watch what happens next. You can be sure that the problem of North Korea would be solved and fast.

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by j-c-c » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:42 pm

"Ratu:

"Final point. The USA was built up and gained its wealth, lifestyle, high standard of living, technology, culture etc etc etc on the economic basis of laissez-faire Capitalism. That made the nation rich beyond dreams."

Ratu wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:22 pm
j-c-c

Note the term "economic basis". Think before you regurgitate random bromides.
I haven't a clue what point you are making about me quoting you.

Noted, and I will work on not being random. :roll:

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by 1989TransAm » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:04 pm

"Note the term "economic basis". Think before you regurgitate random bromides."

Is that not the truth. He is a master at it.

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by gmrocket » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:08 pm

Ratu wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:13 am
Quoting, "Are you kidding? Is that a serious question or what? "
I am not kidding. It is a serious question. Had you considered it? From the response it would appear it had never occurred to you. Best consider it now. Think on it.

Quoting, "And you say look at it from nk's side??"
Yes. That is what you MUST do in order to understand the motivation, or in another way of looking at it, the causes which lead to the action. Learn your opposition. Understand him better than he does himself.

Quoting, "The country is a pathetic isolated regime,"
Not as pathetic, not as isolated as various mainstream propaganda services and fake news outfits would have you believe. Consider, the North Koreans developed and successfully tested nuclear explosive devices as well as several delivery platforms good enough to reach not only South Korea, but Guam, Japan, Hawaii and at the very least the western coastal cities of the mainland USA. They may even have a usable EMP device. Now are these developments being attained by a backward, isolated, pathetic regime? Seriously. Think carefully on it. Consider the demands required to master the technology. Consider acquisition of important materials...

Conclusion:- North Korea is not as isolated as many would like to think, nor as pathetic, nor as backward, nor as stupid.


Quoting, "its people are stunted in growth from starvation and live in horrific conditions,"
Consider to what extent it is the USA which has been a causal element in creating exactly this situation.


Quoting "and you expect free people to see it from their side?"
Yes. There is no excuse for ignorance amongst free people. Look, North Korea is presently operating under a terrible regime. It is socialist and all things socialist inevitably fail. In the meantime though, it IS operating. It has a functioning society and culture. It has an operational military which would be exceedingly difficult to deal with absent massive loss of life, destruction and suffering. The military option is not available (assuming the objective is not merely to annihilate millions of Koreans since they are all foreigners anyway and they live way over there and who are, well, different from y'all).

The issue is, how you want the regime to fail or to be replaced. Do you seek millions of deaths, destruction, international depression and the distinct possibility of a regional or world war as violence spreads? Do you seek the regime to be replaced by a modern Capitalist society or, at least, something approximating that, without widespread death and destruction? If the former is your preferred option, then you need know very little about anything. Just stick to a national myth of exceptionalism and self-righteousness and start war right away. Don't be too surprised if it doesn't work out as you'd prefer though. Likely outcome (apart from all the death and destruction etc) is that you'd lose and lose big.

If, on the other hand, the latter option is preferred, then you need to do three things, namely:
a) learn your opponent
b) negotiate with your opponent and work to undermine him by removing that which motivates him to act as you'd prefer he didn't (he'll think he is gaining the win here, but he isn't really*)
c) reward your opponent when he commits to actions which are to your advantage and suit your interests

It is a process which is being entered into and it is one which will necessarily last for an extended period of time. You'll need wisdom and patience.

If you understand what Kim and his government are thinking and what motivates them, what they seek and what they are likely to trade, then you are in the position to use diplomatic means to attain your objectives. That is, if you do (a) then you are able to do (b) & (c).

In that regard think about THEM first.

Q:- What do they want from you?
A:- Cessation of military exercises each year during their crop planting season (that is what leads to their food shortages). A peace treaty to end the Korean War finally. A guarantee of security (no US led invasion, no more threats, no aggressive military posturing, action or doctrine).

Q:- What is it you want from them?
A:- Stop nuclear weapons testing and dismantle all the North Korean nuclear weapons.


Final point. The USA was built up and gained its wealth, lifestyle, high standard of living, technology, culture etc etc etc on the economic basis of laissez-faire Capitalism. That made the nation rich beyond dreams. It is puzzling that having the historical evidence which demonstrates that system easily eclipses all others, the US people and the US government do not have the confidence and courage to adhere to what made America great. In order to ensure removal of the present regime in Korea all that needs to occur is the introduction of Capitalism. The people there will do the rest. So, eliminate sanctions. Introduce trade. Introduce tourism. Allow investment to cross the border with the North. Allow the people of the South to associate with their fellow Koreans in the North. Withdraw the US military. Stand back and watch. The socialism will collapse fast. The North will cease to be a military or political problem.



*this is analogous to the situation in martial arts where one can use the opponent's own force against him. In the Art of War, Sun Tzu also discusses this approach when he explains a strategy of using an opponent's strength against him.
I think you need to go live there to actually get a real for it, from their side, as you say.

Let us know how you make out.

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by Ratu » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:20 am

gmrocket

Quoting you, "I think etc..."

Two points to make re your latest "contribution".

1) It is doubtful you think seriously about much at all.

2) To avoid being the hypocrite take your own advice and act on it.

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by Ratu » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:33 am

j-c-c

Quoting you, "I haven't a clue..."

Yes. You have made it somewhat obvious.

To gain a reasonable understanding of economics and political theory there is a lot of reading and study you will need to undertake. It will take you quite a bit of your own time and effort. Still, in life much of the good worth possessing demands considerable personal effort to attain. I can recommend some excellent books to make a start with should you be interested.

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Re: Trump agrees to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: South Korean official

Post by j-c-c » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:04 am

Ratu wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:33 am
j-c-c

Quoting you, "I haven't a clue..."

Yes. You have made it somewhat obvious.

To gain a reasonable understanding of economics and political theory there is a lot of reading and study you will need to undertake. It will take you quite a bit of your own time and effort. Still, in life much of the good worth possessing demands considerable personal effort to attain. I can recommend some excellent books to make a start with should you be interested.
So your response is to take a partial quote out of context, and suggest a lot of effort reading, all of which, if you have undertaken, still does not allow you to support the economic primary reason, in your eyes, for US historic success, that I questioned? :lol:

Don't muddy the waters here after the fact, "political theory" was not part of your original claim.

You are making few valid points with deflection and snarkiness.

Intentionally getting off the subject indicates to me you can't back up your claim, personal effort or not.

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