A serious question for democrats.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by RevTheory » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:46 pm

Great post^^^ *Edit* New page- so I'm referring the engineczar

I wish people would shut up and see what he does in 4 years. If it's no good, vote him out! Obama's "scorched earth' departure followed by the media's sabotage is complete bs.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by jet1 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:13 pm

rebelrouser wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:25 am
If you would read my post, a lot of HOW he is running the country is what I am not happy with. For example he held two public forums with the leaders of the senate and house, he brought up some great points and policy ideas on gun control and DACCA, if he would have followed trough with them, I would have been impressed. He did not follow through and privately changed his positions and both issue remain unsolved. As he was changing his mind on what he said he was using twitter to insult and change the subject. He is wanting to impose tariffs on steel and aluminum might be a good idea, but he never floated this policy change with the people who have to implement it. IN my life I have learned if you have a good idea it will hold up under scrutiny, you won't make everyone happy but if a majority agree you implement. That is how government should work. And I am sorry but how you express yourself has a direct link back to how your mind works and how intelligent you are. My point was our greatest past presidents were articulate, and could use the English language to communicate. Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg address on the train ride to the town, one of the greatest speeches ever given. I might remind you Trump has claimed he is one of the greatest presidents and compared himself to them.
If you believe the propaganda that only fox news can tell the truth I can not fight that. A lot of news outlets are reporting on parts of the Russian ordeal. They are presenting facts and documents that can be verified. I look past the hair on fire tone that CNN uses. But lots of facts they present can be verified. Deutsche bank has paid big fines for money laundering, Deutsche bank is the only bank that will lend Trump money, because of all his bankruptcies, Trump filed a lawsuit against the bank then dropped it when they loaned him more money. Real estate and casinos are the best businesses to use for laundering money. Just a coincidence?
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-de ... er-2017-12
i did read your post and although I can really understand where you are coming from I still get the feeling that you are unhappy with how he is doing stuff rather than the fact that he IS actually doing stuff all the time. Yes I agree Fox new is pretty far to right about the same as the MSN is to the left. I try and read in the middle. If one is to believe many of the bad things that have been said about Trump/ Russia then one must also believe many of the bad things said about Hillary/Obama, and the DNC. Where does that leave us? There is a ton of coincidences on either side. in the end i can respect your opinion and even though I do not agree I appreciate you sharing it.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by dirtracr5 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:15 pm

woody b wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:21 pm
Am I the only one that finds it interesting that no one who's answered this thread admits to being a democrat?
Admits to? Who do you think on this thread is a Democrat?

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by jet1 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:15 pm

dirtracr5 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:48 am
I was debating responding to this but i had a feeling it was a bait question and now it appears it clearly was.

Either way I am a republican and agree with Rebel. I was taught to treat other with respect and have strong morals. IMO the president should lead by example and he has neither of these qualities.
It is definitely NOT a bait question! I am looking for honest answers that do not use the ridiculous news coming out as talking points for or against Potus is all.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by dirtracr5 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:17 pm

jet1 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:15 pm
It is definitely NOT a bait question! I am looking for honest answers that do not use the ridiculous news coming out as talking points for or against Potus is all.
What this tells me is that you have a biased in not believing anything bad about Trump...which makes it impossible to give what you consider an "honest answer". Hence IMO it's a bait question.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by jet1 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:23 pm

dirtracr5 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:17 pm
jet1 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:15 pm
It is definitely NOT a bait question! I am looking for honest answers that do not use the ridiculous news coming out as talking points for or against Potus is all.
What this tells me is that you have a biased in not believing anything bad about Trump...which makes it impossible to give what you consider an "honest answer". Hence IMO it's a bait question.
Actually I think he is innocent until proven guilty. Just like the left believe Hillary, Obama and the DNC are innocent. The only difference right now is that I am willing to hear the lefts side. If they have rational thoughts that do not go into the ridiculous things coming out of the MSM I am all ears. Again innocent until proven guilty on both sides.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by dirtracr5 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:45 pm

jet1 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:23 pm
dirtracr5 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:17 pm
jet1 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:15 pm
It is definitely NOT a bait question! I am looking for honest answers that do not use the ridiculous news coming out as talking points for or against Potus is all.
What this tells me is that you have a biased in not believing anything bad about Trump...which makes it impossible to give what you consider an "honest answer". Hence IMO it's a bait question.
Actually I think he is innocent until proven guilty. Just like the left believe Hillary, Obama and the DNC are innocent. The only difference right now is that I am willing to hear the lefts side. If they have rational thoughts that do not go into the ridiculous things coming out of the MSM I am all ears. Again innocent until proven guilty on both sides.
My explanation had nothing to do with any kind if investigations of Trump. It's about his moral character and how he presents himself and represents our county.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by jet1 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:08 pm

dirtracr5 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:45 pm
jet1 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:23 pm
dirtracr5 wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:17 pm


What this tells me is that you have a biased in not believing anything bad about Trump...which makes it impossible to give what you consider an "honest answer". Hence IMO it's a bait question.
Actually I think he is innocent until proven guilty. Just like the left believe Hillary, Obama and the DNC are innocent. The only difference right now is that I am willing to hear the lefts side. If they have rational thoughts that do not go into the ridiculous things coming out of the MSM I am all ears. Again innocent until proven guilty on both sides.
My explanation had nothing to do with any kind if investigations of Trump. It's about his moral character and how he presents himself and represents our county.
Yes I did see that and I responded to it in another post. If you did not see it then here it where I acknowledged your post regarding it is again.
There is a ton of coincidences on either side. in the end i can respect your opinion and even though I do not agree I appreciate you sharing it.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by Brian P » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:59 pm

Outsider looking in ... I live outside the USA.

Trump cannot be taken at his word. He says things that are factually incorrect. Now, everyone makes an error now and again, but Trump does this habitually. Worse, he appears to believe his own incorrect views.

Trump refuses to listen to the opinions of others. Very big mouth, no ears. One of the traits of a good leader is the ability to listen. First you listen, then you lead. Trump shows no evidence of this.

It is perhaps telling that early on, when Trump was critical of China for one thing or another, China spoke up and defended themselves. Now, they simply give no response.

Some of Trump's positions defy logic. Overall trade between Canada and the USA is so close to balanced that the difference is not worth worrying about (it will never be equal precisely to the dollar - some years it is more one way and some years it is more the other - the difference percentage-wise is splitting hairs). The USA does have a trade deficit with Mexico but it is dwarfed by the trade deficit with China. US sales to China are within a rounding error of zero, and the magnitude of the deficit is many times that of the deficit with Mexico. So why go after NAFTA?

Why complain about jobs when the unemployment rate is at a historical low? It is the same here in Canada. Every company that I deal with has the same problem ... Can't find enough good people to fill the jobs available! In the last few weeks I've had some dealings with US-based facilities and they say the same thing. Slammed with work. Not enough people to get it all done. Every one that is any good is already working. (this is mostly automotive suppliers)

I can say that Trump is not respected internationally. "Laughingstock" would be more accurate. The position that he is in means that he has to be dealt with, but "damage control" is perhaps a good way to describe how. With the USA becoming isolationist, the direction of the rest of the world will be towards promoting trade with each other regardless of what the Americans do. But everyone also knows the old saying ... "This, too, shall pass."

This has nothing to do with "left" nor "right", or Republican vs Democrat if you will. Trump simply does not act in a manner commensurate with his position. He does not act like an honourable person.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by John Wallace » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:46 pm

I agree 100%!

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by dirtracr5 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:51 pm

John Wallace wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:46 pm
I agree 100%!

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As do I, Very well stated.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by engineczar » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:00 pm

Yes criticism from the country that elected the pandering fool Justin Trudeau.
You know the guy that just set Canada - India relations back to the dark ages by dressing up his family like clowns and insulting an entire country.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by Brian P » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:34 pm

I never said a single thing in my earlier post about what my opinion of Justin Trudeau is. Are you making an assumption that I like him?

I've got news for you!

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by engineczar » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:25 pm

Brian P wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:34 pm
I never said a single thing in my earlier post about what my opinion of Justin Trudeau is. Are you making an assumption that I like him?

I've got news for you!
I don't know about you but family I still have in Canada are not fans to put it mildly.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by pdq67 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:35 am

engineczar wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:00 pm
Yes criticism from the country that elected the pandering fool Justin Trudeau.
You know the guy that just set Canada - India relations back to the dark ages by dressing up his family like clowns and insulting an entire country.
You mean Justin Castro Trudeau??

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