A serious question for democrats.

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A serious question for democrats.

Post by jet1 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:45 am

Ok I have a serious question for the Democrats or anyone for that matter on why they don’t like Trump? I would like what it is you don’t like and why.

I’ll use an example for Hillary

I don’t like Hillary because she is untrustworthy. She is untrustworthy because she knowing sent classified documents of national security to other members of the state over and unsecured network/server. Of course I could go on but you get the idea.

Again please state what it is you don’t like specifically and why. Please be honest about your opinion and let’s see if we can keep the name calling and finger pointing to a min by both sides. If you have more than one reason please list as many as you can. The reason is I want to make sure I fully understand both sides of opinions and not be biased about mine.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by pdq67 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:03 pm

Probably because they are Liberal's, Dem's, and RINO's is why they don't like Pres. Trump!

Do you think??

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by jet1 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:28 pm

With the amount of hate that they show towards Trump. I thought it would be interesting to find out if there is anything actually concrete or if it is only hate. many of the things that have been cited about him from the left are either questionable to there authenticity or are actually false. I think Trump has some major issues with alot of things but I fail to see where his actions are hurting the country.

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Post by RevTheory » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:32 pm

jet1 wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:28 pm
With the amount of hate that they show towards Trump. I thought it would be interesting to find out if there is anything actually concrete or if it is only hate. many of the things that have been cited about him from the left are either questionable to there authenticity or are actually false. I think Trump has some major issues with alot of things but I fail to see where his actions are hurting the country.
It will likely be regurgitated talking points from the far-left media without anything to back it up. I'm curious if there will be any honesty, though.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by jet1 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:35 pm

Thats what i am kinda getting at. If there is a concrete reason or reasons that trump is so bad I am all ears. I definitely don't like alot of the things that Trump tweets as it leaves it wide open to interpretation leaving him open to all kinds of subjective bad press.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by RevTheory » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:21 pm

Well, the three squeakiest wheels have all posted elsewhere but didn't seem to have the time to answer your question :-k

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Post by David Redszus » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:52 pm

Trump has incurred the hate of Democraps as a result of fear.

They are terrified that Trump will reverse or abandon 50 years of leftist, liberal socialization by the Democrap party.
They are watching Obama's legacy come apart at the seams and soon will watch key Democraps bring put on trial for
corruption just before the next presidential elections.

After years of telling the US public just how smart politicians were and how they knew much more than the citizenry,
along comes a political novice who tears the establishment, on both sides, to shreds. Everything you have worked
and scammed for all your political life is about to disappear.

You will be completely forgotten.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by jet1 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:53 pm

RevTheory wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:21 pm
Well, the three squeakiest wheels have all posted elsewhere but didn't seem to have the time to answer your question :-k
Yes I noticed that. This really isn't a bait question. I truly would like to know the answer if they have one. Lack of any kind of an answer is an answer.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by rebelrouser » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:02 am

I am a republican, but I don't like Donald Trump and here is why.

First, I do not like his tactic of bulling and running down and name calling people who do not agree with him. That is not the way we treat people in the USA, I want a president you supports his policies with the weight of his intellect not the weight of his insults.
second, the truth is the truth, their is no such thing as alternate facts, a lie is a lie. If you stand before the country and lie then our press should call you out about it. Its not fake news just because you don't like what they are saying about you when they present facts that can be verified.
third, the president says he is a well educated stable genius, but he talks at a 4th grade level, unless he reads off a prompter, he repeats words and uses short phrases that are not complete sentences. When I read the speeches of past presidents I just wonder why they spoke so eloquently and their words went down in history, I cannot see Trumps speech's and statements carrying the same weight. I expect more from my president.
Trump says the Russian affair is a witch hunt, but people are pleading guilty and being charged, and for an innocent man he does a lot of things to make you think he is guilty. I will wait for the results of the investigation but it looks to me like he had a long time relationship with the Russians laundering money, they repaid him by helping in the election, I can see no other reason why he treats Putin with such respect and all our allies with such distain. You can look to the facts that his Bank has been fined by numerous government for laundering money for the Russians, why do so many of his former campaign aides have history with the Russians? Why did Trump alter the Republican platform at the convention to support Russia ? It goes on and on. Congress passed Russian sanctions and Trump will not implement them. Money was made available to the state department to fight Russian hacking, none has been spent, the agency that would do the work does not have one person who speaks Russian on the staff, and a trump imposed hiring freeze keeps them getting one. Every agency in the government responsible for national security says the Russian did a cyber attack on our country and Trump does nothing to stop it. The president sworn an oath to protect our country from all threats foreign and domestic.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by RevTheory » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:43 am

For a Republican, you sure believe a lot of the bs being spouted by CNN. Trump laundering money for Russia in exchange for an election win? I sure wish you were kidding.

You're right about his speaking though. He's not an eloquent, orator. But don't mistake that for a lack of intelligence.

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Post by jet1 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:26 am

interesting. If how you judge your president is by how he publicly speaks as apposed to how he runs the country then to me that is a problem. As far as Russia goes. I believe in innocent until PROVEN guilty. If Muller comes up with actual evidence and Trump is found guilty I will be all for the punishment needed and will post on here that I was wrong. If not I would expect the same from the dems on here. I also don't believe that we know everything that the US is doing against Russia. just because the sanctions that have been approved are not beeing used at this time doesn't mean nothing is being done. In the end you are entitled to how you feel, it is just that the facts need to have more value than the feelings.

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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by rebelrouser » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:25 am

If you would read my post, a lot of HOW he is running the country is what I am not happy with. For example he held two public forums with the leaders of the senate and house, he brought up some great points and policy ideas on gun control and DACCA, if he would have followed trough with them, I would have been impressed. He did not follow through and privately changed his positions and both issue remain unsolved. As he was changing his mind on what he said he was using twitter to insult and change the subject. He is wanting to impose tariffs on steel and aluminum might be a good idea, but he never floated this policy change with the people who have to implement it. IN my life I have learned if you have a good idea it will hold up under scrutiny, you won't make everyone happy but if a majority agree you implement. That is how government should work. And I am sorry but how you express yourself has a direct link back to how your mind works and how intelligent you are. My point was our greatest past presidents were articulate, and could use the English language to communicate. Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg address on the train ride to the town, one of the greatest speeches ever given. I might remind you Trump has claimed he is one of the greatest presidents and compared himself to them.
If you believe the propaganda that only fox news can tell the truth I can not fight that. A lot of news outlets are reporting on parts of the Russian ordeal. They are presenting facts and documents that can be verified. I look past the hair on fire tone that CNN uses. But lots of facts they present can be verified. Deutsche bank has paid big fines for money laundering, Deutsche bank is the only bank that will lend Trump money, because of all his bankruptcies, Trump filed a lawsuit against the bank then dropped it when they loaned him more money. Real estate and casinos are the best businesses to use for laundering money. Just a coincidence?
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Re: A serious question for democrats.

Post by dirtracr5 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:48 am

I was debating responding to this but i had a feeling it was a bait question and now it appears it clearly was.

Either way I am a republican and agree with Rebel. I was taught to treat other with respect and have strong morals. IMO the president should lead by example and he has neither of these qualities.

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Post by woody b » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:21 pm

Am I the only one that finds it interesting that no one who's answered this thread admits to being a democrat?
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Post by engineczar » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:40 pm

Trump is the vehicle for change that a large percentage of the country wanted. People generally like to complain about the government and say they have a desire to change it. However when faced with a decision in the voting booth they pick the status quo which does nothing to slow down an out of control government. This past election would have been no different. Hillary would have been a third term of Obama. Romney, Jeb, Kasich while all being maybe more dignified choices would not produce any significant change and probably wouldn't have gotten elected anyways. I believe Trump is an intelligent guy but his delivery is just awful. Is the delivery intentionally abrasive as a distraction? Possibly. Look how much he accomplishes while everyone's hair is on fire because of a tweet. Is it ingrained from being a New Yorker? Tough to say, I know plenty of folks from NY who don't act like A-holes. Is he a criminal? I think there are few people who get to the highest reaches of government and business without doing things that the average person might consider to be questionable. Trump is a hammer whereas other Republican choices would have been a pillow. A lot of what he says is cringe worthy but sometimes if you want real change you need to do a little demo. For a government full of hacks that refuse to look beyond enriching themselves the demo needs to be massive. The problem for the left is that much of the demo that's being done is to their progressive agenda and the media reminds them of that everyday. Trumps made plenty of mistakes in his first year which is no different than any previous president. His job has been made that much more difficult as a result of constant attacks and investigations from those that didn't win. Their plan is to slow him down if not stop him until the next election or until he can be removed from office against the will of the people who voted him into office. Considering the fact that he's getting little help from anyone including his own party ( who also want to protect their sweet little gigs) It's amazing anything gets done. Trump is an outsider. A lot of people have said in the past that we needed an outsider to fix government. Except when it comes down to it they really don't want to fix the government, they just want to sit back and complain about it.

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