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Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by Ken0069 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:22 pm

Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-S e x Wedding Cakes
A California judge has ruled a bakery owner can continue to refuse to make wedding cakes for same-s e x couples because it violates her Christian beliefs.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... ding-cakes

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (AP) — A California bakery owner can continue to refuse to make wedding cakes for same-s e x couples because it violates her Christian beliefs, a judge ruled.

The decision came after a lawyer for Tastries Bakery in Bakersfield argued that owner Cathy Miller's right to free speech and free expression of religion trumps the argument that she violated a state anti-discrimination law.

Kern County Superior Court Judge David Lampe agreed but said Monday his ruling was tied closely to the fact that Miller was being asked to make a cake for an event and that the act of creating it was protected artistic expression.

Lampe cautioned that freedom of religion does not give businesses a right to refuse service to groups protected by the Unruh Civil Rights Act in other circumstances, the Bakersfield Californian reported.

"A retail tire shop may not refuse to sell a tire because the owner does not want to sell tires to same s e x couples,:" Lampe wrote. "No baker may place their wares in a public display case, open their shop, and then refuse to sell because of race, religion, gender, or gender identification."

Miller said it went against her Christian beliefs to make a cake for a same s e x couple. She told the newspaper she was overjoyed by the ruling and respected the distinction Lampe made between the sales of a cake and the creation of one.

"I am very happy to serve everything from my cases to anybody," she said. "But I cannot be a part of a celebration that goes against my lord and savior."

An attorney for Mireya and Eileen Rodriguez-Del Rio, who brought the case, was not available for comment.

The decision comes as the U.S. Supreme Court prepares to rule in the high-profile case of a Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-s e x couple.

That baker, Jack Phillips, claims his First Amendment claims of artistic freedom were being violated.
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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:13 pm

Good, it was the right decision. It will probably be appealed and being in California they can find a gay judge.

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by pdq67 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:30 pm

I hope it retro-activates back to the case that cost a Baker a shit-pot full of money because he was sued and lost the case! $250,000 worth or what??

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by RevTheory » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:26 am

The bakers that lost everything a few years ago had made birthday cakes and what-not for each person for years but chose not to bake one for a gay wedding. It has nothing to do with love.

Funny how a muzzy bakery will run you out of the store for even asking and no one says a word (youtube Louder with Crowder (sp?)). This is going to be a bitter thread full of anti-God craziness.

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by engineczar » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:38 am

Big difference between selling something off the shelf and being asked to make a custom cake. Like the other baker they never refused to sell them something off the shelf, they just didn't want to have to make something custom for them.

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by Firedome8 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:50 am

hy·poc·ri·sy
həˈpäkrəsē/Submit
noun
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
synonyms: dissimulation, false virtue, cant, posturing, affectation, speciousness, empty talk, insincerity, falseness, deceit, dishonesty, mendacity, pretense, duplicity;

A hole cake maker is just like the tv preachers thinking his narrow minded view and his delusional version of god worship is the one true religon,,,sounds like the middle east crazys thinking they are doing gods work. The Romans invented Christianity for controlling the weak minded.

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by engineczar » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:12 am

Firedome8 wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:50 am
hy·poc·ri·sy
həˈpäkrəsē/Submit
noun
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
synonyms: dissimulation, false virtue, cant, posturing, affectation, speciousness, empty talk, insincerity, falseness, deceit, dishonesty, mendacity, pretense, duplicity;

A hole cake maker is just like the tv preachers thinking his narrow minded view and his delusional version of god worship is the one true religon,,,sounds like the middle east crazys thinking they are doing gods work. The Romans invented Christianity for controlling the weak minded.
So if you're a custom builder or maker of anything can you never refuse service to anyone? Take the religious piece out of the equation. What if the baker just said no and gave no reason would that have been ok? Does someone have to give a reason? Does the "Thought Police" step in?

What if you're a custom engine builder and there's a gay guy who's very rough on the engines he buys. Blows them up and has a bad reputation of blaming the engine builder instead of himself. If you refuse to build him an engine he claims you refused because he's gay. What then?

So is the defense to just refuse service and give no reason?

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by dirtracr5 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:30 am

engineczar wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:12 am

So is the defense to just refuse service and give no reason?
Thats what they should have done if they were smart. Say you "dont have time" ect..

Standing on their soapbox and proclaiming their religious reasons to not make the cake cost them dearly.

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by 1989TransAm » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:35 am

dirtracr5 wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:30 am
engineczar wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:12 am

So is the defense to just refuse service and give no reason?
Thats what they should have done if they were smart. Say you "dont have time" ect..

Standing on their soapbox and proclaiming their religious reasons to not make the cake cost them dearly.
But it is okay for people of Islamic faith to do the same?

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by engineczar » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:43 am

dirtracr5 wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:30 am
engineczar wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:12 am

So is the defense to just refuse service and give no reason?
Thats what they should have done if they were smart. Say you "dont have time" ect..

Standing on their soapbox and proclaiming their religious reasons to not make the cake cost them dearly.
While that sounds like a viable option I'm not sure the SJW's would accept that answer. Not sure about the bakery in California but the baker in Colorado was targeted because he was openly Christian in his beliefs. Refusal for any reason was going to be a problem.

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by engineczar » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:47 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:35 am
dirtracr5 wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:30 am
engineczar wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:12 am

So is the defense to just refuse service and give no reason?
Thats what they should have done if they were smart. Say you "dont have time" ect..

Standing on their soapbox and proclaiming their religious reasons to not make the cake cost them dearly.
But it is okay for people of Islamic faith to do the same?
That all boils down to protected class status.

You know that anyone who goes to a Muslim bakery and asks for a cake for a gay wedding just to prove a point would be labeled as an Islamaphobe. It's in the SJW handboook.

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by dirtracr5 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:57 am

1989TransAm wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:35 am
dirtracr5 wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:30 am
engineczar wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:12 am

So is the defense to just refuse service and give no reason?
Thats what they should have done if they were smart. Say you "dont have time" ect..

Standing on their soapbox and proclaiming their religious reasons to not make the cake cost them dearly.
But it is okay for people of Islamic faith to do the same?
It is?

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Re: Judge: Baker Can Refuse to Make Same-Sex Wedding Cakes

Post by n2xlr8n » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:16 pm

Firedome8 wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:50 am
...cake maker is just like the tv preachers thinking his narrow minded view and his delusional version of god worship is the one true religon,,,sounds like the middle east crazys thinking they are doing gods work. The Romans invented Christianity for controlling the weak minded.
I'm not a fan of 99% of the television preachers/pastors.

For the record, Jesus Christ, Paul (Saul) and Peter were all Jews, though Paul was a Roman citizen. The "Romans" crucified Jesus; if by beheadings and crucifixion you consider that a Roman incentive to adopt the Christian faith, then I have no further comment.
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