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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by pdq67 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:19 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:15 pm
Also, there are still many who believe in "trickle down economics".
Not one person in a thousand understands what "trickle down economics" really is. Your view is incorrect and merely reflects what leftist politicians have constructed.

Check out a few economics books for "trickle down economics".
David,

Please give me the, "Cliff Notes", as to the definition/meaning of, "trickle down economics", really is.

Thanks in advance.

Oh, and btw, back years ago after I was let go from the old AP Green Refractories Company and couldn't buy a job, I worked as a, "pin-headed, strong backed", laborer for an independent small business owner for a while just to help my wife pay our bills.

Anyway, I finally figured out that the 1st thing on the owners mind after he saw a prospective customer was, "I wonder how much I can get outta him?".. I could see it in his eyes as he spoke to the guy. That's all he cared about and it showed. He would, "glad-hand", and say anything to get that $Buck outta the guy! Hell, you woulda thought that he was a, "Monday morning Jew!"...

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by sanfordandson » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:19 pm

lefty o wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:58 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:05 pm
Dodge just announced that it is bringing back truck manufacturing from Mexico to Detroit. =D>
dont worry, some liberal will make it out to be a bad thing.
New like this will help offset some of the many recent layoffs and closings. =D>

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by exhaustgases » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:49 pm

In a war with china all they "china" has to do is stop sending products to the US. In a month we would have nothing here. No shoes, no bandages, no medical supplies, no car parts, no tools, no clothes, no bedding, no towels and bathroom items. They could bring this country down in a few months without using any kind of military actions. This is what a world economy accomplishes.
Just think in WW2, it was the American industry that supplied all the equipment to accomplish the task at hand. That would be impossible to do now.
I don't think there are any American machine tool companies left, maybe a small hand full. Steel production is almost nothing in this country.

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by pdq67 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:08 pm

And you know why? -- don't you??

It's because our f** Gov. sold us down the river using the EPA for starters!

Back in the early '70's or so when we had cast iron cupola foundries in most of our small towns, they were deemed too dirty so had to retrofit, "scrubbers", on the off-takes/chimney's if you will to clean the air!

Funny thing was that a scrubber probably cost to install as much as the company was worth.

You know, there's MONEY in this shit, don't you!

Never mind Mom and Pop's foundry went out of business and f** the employee's!

Now don't get me wrong, we did have dirty air, BUT our f** Gov. should have used some common sense implementing its cleanup! Not make it uneconomical to run the businesses such that they had to close down!

AND you are f** stupid if you don't believe one of the BEST way's the EPA has to clean up shit is SHUT-DOWN!! Just ask Doe Run, Herc, MO!! The last primary lead smelter we had in our country.

Oh, and btw, the last 2 percent of air pollution caused by ICE powered vehicles is costing us probably more than a f** $TRILLION+ BUCKS!! And in doing so will ultimately do away with vehicles as we know them. The prior 98 percent has already cost us more than that so run the f** numbers and see what your paying for...

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by 1989TransAm » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:03 pm

"It's because our f** Gov. sold us down the river using the EPA for starters!"

Latest I have heard is that President Trump has cut the EPA staff in 1/2. =D> =D> =D>

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by lefty o » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:57 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:03 pm
"It's because our f** Gov. sold us down the river using the EPA for starters!"

Latest I have heard is that President Trump has cut the EPA staff in 1/2. =D> =D> =D>
thats good, we're half way there then.

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by pdq67 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:59 am

I have said this before through the years.

The Gov./EPA has to offer PUBLIC COMMENT, its the Law!

If you take the time to follow each Federal Register Notice printing, we as citizens get to comment on all, "Promulgated/NEW", rules, "Amended/changed", rules, and finally, " Rescinded/Done Away With", rules.

Read what the EPA call's, the PREAMBLE, (there will be a short summary, then the Preamble and finally the rule action).

And in the Preamble somewhat close to the front of it will be the instructions that tell us as CITIZENS how to offer our comments on what the EPA is proposing to do. Follow these instructions to the letter or what you might offer will be thrown out!

The PREASMBLE is what I call the, "history and why", of what is going on and the actual rule action is at the very end and it is usually quite short!

BUT the Preamble can be upwards to a thick book in length so get ready to read it from start to finish. I have found that usually there are little gems that they try to sneak by us if we are vigilant in reading it closely.

When I worked for MO's Air Pollution Control Program I had the Federal Register as well as the CFR bookmarked and went through all this daily as part of my job to stay current with what was going on. I spent like 12 years or so writing MO's air rules/Law so know a bit about how the system works..

And I have commented before too!!

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by exhaustgases » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:39 am

pdq67 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:08 pm
And you know why? -- don't you??

It's because our f** Gov. sold us down the river using the EPA for starters!

Back in the early '70's or so when we had cast iron cupola foundries in most of our small towns, they were deemed too dirty so had to retrofit, "scrubbers", on the off-takes/chimney's if you will to clean the air!

Funny thing was that a scrubber probably cost to install as much as the company was worth.

You know, there's MONEY in this shit, don't you!

Never mind Mom and Pop's foundry went out of business and f** the employee's!

Now don't get me wrong, we did have dirty air, BUT our f** Gov. should have used some common sense implementing its cleanup! Not make it uneconomical to run the businesses such that they had to close down!

AND you are f** stupid if you don't believe one of the BEST way's the EPA has to clean up shit is SHUT-DOWN!! Just ask Doe Run, Herc, MO!! The last primary lead smelter we had in our country.

Oh, and btw, the last 2 percent of air pollution caused by ICE powered vehicles is costing us probably more than a f** $TRILLION+ BUCKS!! And in doing so will ultimately do away with vehicles as we know them. The prior 98 percent has already cost us more than that so run the f** numbers and see what your paying for...

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And the best part is "they" don't give a flying rip about the climate/ environment nor nothing else except the agenda. If they did all the radioactive crud wouldn't be secret ie fukushima and the fish that hilarry and obum let us all import from Japan with no tests done to it.
ICE powered cars are nothing compared to the what 10,000 or more super polluter jet aircraft flights everyday in the US. Over a gallon per second per plane and possibly per engine?? Depends on size.
All the EPA crap is done for the agenda and nothing else. They love to see tons of mineral fuel burned in jet engines.
If people had land like in the old days and didn't have to constantly pay through the nose to live their lives and flood into a city to work, we wouldn't have any pollution problems with ICE or mineral oil. Like everything else all planned events. And is why we are all slaves to the system.

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by pdq67 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:01 pm

exhaustgases,

You get it too!

Does EVERYBODY realize that a stupid little device like a PCV valve put on all the ICE's back about '64 or so removed about 34 percent of the SMOG creating air pollutants and just think how CHEAP it was to install them!

Vehicle engines had, "road draft tubes", on them that you can still see today on pre-'64 vehicles in Holiday Parades going down Main Street on Memorial Day!

That last 2 percent pollution removal is going to kill the ICE and cost us more than a $TRILLION or so to do so!

THEY want to put us in PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, but how do you get from the end off the line to HOME?? Or to work?? The Dr.'s office or the grocery store??

WALK!

Ride a bicycle?

Use a, "SK-8 Board"?

Use an EV and if you do, just how is it's electricity produced? Probably NOT pollution free, RIGHT!

The f** sun doesn't shine at night AND the wind doesn't blow all the time!!

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Re: Foreign made goods:

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by exhaustgases » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:08 pm

pdq67 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:01 pm
exhaustgases,

You get it too!

Does EVERYBODY realize that a stupid little device like a PCV valve put on all the ICE's back about '64 or so removed about 34 percent of the SMOG creating air pollutants and just think how CHEAP it was to install them!

Vehicle engines had, "road draft tubes", on them that you can still see today on pre-'64 vehicles in Holiday Parades going down Main Street on Memorial Day!

That last 2 percent pollution removal is going to kill the ICE and cost us more than a $TRILLION or so to do so!

THEY want to put us in PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, but how do you get from the end off the line to HOME?? Or to work?? The Dr.'s office or the grocery store??

WALK!

Ride a bicycle?

Use a, "SK-8 Board"?

Use an EV and if you do, just how is it's electricity produced? Probably NOT pollution free, RIGHT!

The f** sun doesn't shine at night AND the wind doesn't blow all the time!!

pdq67
If you had bad knees and ankles you would realize not all people can travel by walking. Public transportation is the most dangerous way to go anyplace, why? Not only because of certain diseases but also nut cases that are lurking on them, also things like needles hiding in the seat cushion ready to poke you in the butt. You have no control of nothing in public transportation and that is why the evil ones want everyone in that situation.
I say get rid of the need for everyone to have to go into a big city then we don't have to worry about it, besides god has always hated cities, its like a cesspool of crap, and funny how a spotted owl needed acres and acres to live but a worthless human being can live like a dead sardine in next to nothing for space, go figure. And instead of the Marxist socialist demo climate religion way to travel like the ones you mentioned, how about very small vehicles similar to go carts, you could fit way more of them in the lane space, and way less weight to do damage. In this state walking, bikes, and such just don't work because of lots of rain and steep hills. And besides not everyone is a kid and in top condition.

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by pdq67 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:06 am

exhaustgases,

I bought a new 1987 Chevy Sprint R/Suzuki Swift 2-dr hatch 5-speed corn-popper commuter car for $6,300 plus tax and plates back then.

It was SMALL, weighed like 1,500 pounds!

It drove like a SK-8 Board! It got 50+ mpg running 70+ mph on the 4-lane for years and years!

I later checked the EPA CAFE mileage history site and found out that it was the highest mileage car produced with something like 71 mpg running the EPA driving trace at 45+ mph or so!! If I would have known that it could have gotten mileage like that, I would have driven it slower!!

I would buy a new 1987 Chevy Sprint ER in a NYM for $12,000 but I can't!!

GM sold them as Geo Metros up until 2,000 or so and I bought a new 2,000 one just like my Sprint except it came with A/C that I never used!

Price was $10,000+ tax and plates. It weighed 1950 or so pounds, so it only got like 50+ mpg running 50+ mph.

Funny thing is that they sold every one of the little cars they made!

And looking back through GM's history, the Corvair, "up until '65", Vega, Chevette, Citation, and Fiero were all pretty-much all POS!

GM was not going to build a great little CHEAP car and that was the end of it! F** us that wanted one and that's why the foreign cars have sold so well here! AND THEY STILL DON'T!!

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by David Redszus » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:33 am

David,
Please give me the, "Cliff Notes", as to the definition/meaning of, "trickle down economics", really is.
Thanks in advance.
The equivalent to Cliff's notes would be "Trickle Down Theory and Tax Cuts." by noted economist Thomas Sowell.
ISBN 978-0-8179-1615-2, Hoover Institution Press, Stanford University. Available on Amazon.

The bottom line is there is no such thing as "trickle down economics" and never has been.

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by pdq67 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:22 pm

That's just what I thought!

"Trickle down", doesn't exist!

Unless it's the stuff that flowed out of bh0's mama's pus* when she got him...

Thanks David.

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Re: Foreign made goods:

Post by exhaustgases » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:30 pm

pdq67 wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:06 am
exhaustgases,

I bought a new 1987 Chevy Sprint R/Suzuki Swift 2-dr hatch 5-speed corn-popper commuter car for $6,300 plus tax and plates back then.

It was SMALL, weighed like 1,500 pounds!

It drove like a SK-8 Board! It got 50+ mpg running 70+ mph on the 4-lane for years and years!

I later checked the EPA CAFE mileage history site and found out that it was the highest mileage car produced with something like 71 mpg running the EPA driving trace at 45+ mph or so!! If I would have known that it could have gotten mileage like that, I would have driven it slower!!

I would buy a new 1987 Chevy Sprint ER in a NYM for $12,000 but I can't!!

GM sold them as Geo Metros up until 2,000 or so and I bought a new 2,000 one just like my Sprint except it came with A/C that I never used!

Price was $10,000+ tax and plates. It weighed 1950 or so pounds, so it only got like 50+ mpg running 50+ mph.

Funny thing is that they sold every one of the little cars they made!

And looking back through GM's history, the Corvair, "up until '65", Vega, Chevette, Citation, and Fiero were all pretty-much all POS!

GM was not going to build a great little CHEAP car and that was the end of it! F** us that wanted one and that's why the foreign cars have sold so well here! AND THEY STILL DON'T!!

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I also like the Metro's. I'm guessing the main reason they are no longer is because they would outsell everything else. It was a modern VW bug.

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