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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by pdq67 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:41 am

I haven't kept up with this crap like I should so want to ask if , "WE", or, "ANYBODY", knows who is funding the people in the various groups that are disrupting our Country, much less, President Trump's attempt to right its, "course"???

Because if there is a/or are person(s) doing it, then, "he"/"they", need to be dealt with and quickly as I see it.

Maybe the good people that want our great Country to be great again need to use the same tactics being used against us to carry the fight to those causing the problems?

Where is the old yellow flag at with the snake on it that says, "Don't tread on me"?

Mouthy ol' un-armed fart that I am!!

I guess that I just care too much about what we are leaving our kids and grandkids is all.....

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by GARY C » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:11 am

pdq67 wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:41 am
I haven't kept up with this crap like I should so want to ask if , "WE", or, "ANYBODY", knows who is funding the people in the various groups that are disrupting our Country, much less, President Trump's attempt to right its, "course"???

Because if there is a/or are person(s) doing it, then, "he"/"they", need to be dealt with and quickly as I see it.

Maybe the good people that want our great Country to be great again need to use the same tactics being used against us to carry the fight to those causing the problems?

Where is the old yellow flag at with the snake on it that says, "Don't tread on me"?

Mouthy ol' un-armed fart that I am!!

I guess that I just care too much about what we are leaving our kids and grandkids is all.....

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The same people that have been over throwing governments around the world for a decade or so! Here is a good place to start! The RNC and the DNC in conjunction with the UN!

http://thepopulist.us/2017/06/mind-blow ... itch-hunt/

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by sanfordandson » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:52 am

Ratu wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:50 am

Ah, I see. You glanced at Wikipedia, the source of all human knowledge.....(not). Not good enough mate! As was said. Do your research. Do not pretend you have the answers, for it is more than obvious that you do not. What you have is fiction and bias and prejudice. Put all of that nonsense aside.
Yet another examples of trying to discredit information because it doesnt fit your political agenda. Shame on your Rat. [-X

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Post by engineczar » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:10 am

From what I've seen antifa's roots are based on being anti-capitalist. Right now with a devote Capitalist in the White house the movement is in overdrive. They are the same anarchists who always show up at things like the G-20 summit. They are all basically to some degree Communists which is just the opposite of anti-government.

Occupy, BLM, antifa, etc. are all off shoots of the anti-capitalist movement. Look at the signs they carry. Many have the words "workers world party" on them. While some members might be just ignorant kids who think they're fighting fascism the leaders of the movement surely aren't.

Google "BLM protesters workers world party" and look at the photographs.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by David Redszus » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:09 am

Fireonthemountain wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:04 am
How about a little acoustic analysis, but only if you believe in physics and not magical thinking. Just the facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI
I spent some time going over the information presented in the above video regarding the evidence in favor of a second shooter. I checked his equations and internal ballistic data.

His conclusion of a second shooter is based on the timing of sound reports at certain distances. They make sense if one is to assume that the same weapon and same ammunition (bullet weight, powder charge, barrel length) resulting in the same muzzle velocity were used.

But, .223 Rem rounds are available in various internal ballistic capabilities and resulting muzzle velocities which would explain the sound timing traces and invalidate the presence of a second shooter.

If a second shooter were present, did they fire weapons sequentially or concurrently? Either option would produce different sound traces.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by Dogwater » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:35 pm

Those high frequency sounds he’s hearing is the bullet breaking the sound barrier an being recorded on cell phones not bullets striking the pavement. Plus the fact of sound of the gun shots being reflected off all those flat surfaces.

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Post by Ken0069 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:07 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:09 am
Fireonthemountain wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:04 am
How about a little acoustic analysis, but only if you believe in physics and not magical thinking. Just the facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI
I spent some time going over the information presented in the above video regarding the evidence in favor of a second shooter. I checked his equations and internal ballistic data.

His conclusion of a second shooter is based on the timing of sound reports at certain distances. They make sense if one is to assume that the same weapon and same ammunition (bullet weight, powder charge, barrel length) resulting in the same muzzle velocity were used.

But, .223 Rem rounds are available in various internal ballistic capabilities and resulting muzzle velocities which would explain the sound timing traces and invalidate the presence of a second shooter.

If a second shooter were present, did they fire weapons sequentially or concurrently? Either option would produce different sound traces.
One of the articles I read early on stated that the shooter had both AR15s and AR10s, which are two vastly different calibers! The AR10 is a 7.62x51 NATO which is very similar to a Winchester .308 and has a much different report than the AR15.

Ballistics that I've RECORDED here with a Chronograph indicate that the 5.56 NATO round @ around 3200fps is about 450/500fps faster than the 7.62x51NATO round. The Winchester .308 is about 200fps faster than the 7.62 NATO @ around 2900fps. So firing two completely different rounds "might" give one the impression that there was more than one shooter when in fact the guy may just have been shooting two completely different rifles.
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Post by David Redszus » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:23 pm

Ken0069 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:07 pm
David Redszus wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:09 am
Fireonthemountain wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:04 am
How about a little acoustic analysis, but only if you believe in physics and not magical thinking. Just the facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI
I spent some time going over the information presented in the above video regarding the evidence in favor of a second shooter. I checked his equations and internal ballistic data.

His conclusion of a second shooter is based on the timing of sound reports at certain distances. They make sense if one is to assume that the same weapon and same ammunition (bullet weight, powder charge, barrel length) resulting in the same muzzle velocity were used.

But, .223 Rem rounds are available in various internal ballistic capabilities and resulting muzzle velocities which would explain the sound timing traces and invalidate the presence of a second shooter.

If a second shooter were present, did they fire weapons sequentially or concurrently? Either option would produce different sound traces.
One of the articles I read early on stated that the shooter had both AR15s and AR10s, which are two vastly different calibers! The AR10 is a 7.62x51 NATO which is very similar to a Winchester .308 and has a much different report than the AR15.

Ballistics that I've RECORDED here with a Chronograph indicate that the 5.56 NATO round @ around 3200fps is about 450/500fps faster than the 7.62x51NATO round. The Winchester .308 is about 200fps faster than the 7.62 NATO @ around 2900fps. So firing two completely different rounds "might" give one the impression that there was more than one shooter when in fact the guy may just have been shooting two completely different rifles.
Good catch. Even though weapons and ammo may look similar, they could be different and behave differently. Take a look at these bullet weights and muzzle velocities.

.223 Rem..75g____2790 ft/s

5.56mm..55g____3130 ft/s, 62g___3060 ft/s, 75g____2900 ft/s, 75g____2321 ft/s.

7.62mm
..123g___2360 ft/s

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:38 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:52 am
Ratu wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:50 am

Ah, I see. You glanced at Wikipedia, the source of all human knowledge.....(not). Not good enough mate! As was said. Do your research. Do not pretend you have the answers, for it is more than obvious that you do not. What you have is fiction and bias and prejudice. Put all of that nonsense aside.
Yet another examples of trying to discredit information because it doesnt fit your political agenda. Shame on your Rat. [-X
Now that is really rich considering the poster.

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Post by Ken0069 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:11 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:09 am
Good catch. Even though weapons and ammo may look similar, they could be different and behave differently. Take a look at these bullet weights and muzzle velocities.

.223 Rem..75g____2790 ft/s

5.56mm..55g____3130 ft/s, 62g___3060 ft/s, 75g____2900 ft/s, 75g____2321 ft/s.

7.62mm
..123g___2360 ft/s
That 7.62 and the bullet weight/fps you referenced looks like a 7.63x39 that's found in numerous Eastern block produced military rifles like the SKS and AK47.

Standard bullet weight for the 5.56 for the AR15 is 55gr. You can go lighter or heavier if you load your own but the standard NATO round is 55gr FMJ with a steel core. Those 55gr bullets were the ones I chronographed right @ 3200fps. To give you an idea of just what that's like, I also have a Savage 110V in 22-250 and I shoot a 40gr Nosler ballistic tip in that and have chronographed that round at over 4100fps and it will hold a 3 shot group that you can cover with a dime at 100 yards off a sand bag! I've shot many ground hogs in the head with that rifle @ about 300 yds.

The 7.62x51 NATO round uses a 147gr FMJ with steel core also and those chronographed @ around 2700fps with my LR308 AR10 clone. The Winchester rounds I shot in it were 150gr soft points and they chronographed around 2900fps.

But yeah, each one has it's own characteristics including sound, which is what we were initially talking about so I guess this isn't too far off topic.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by GARY C » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:59 am

This sound annalist from the cabs video at the hotel i think clearly show a close shooter and a distant shooter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbWa23FvdXk

It seems 4chan has been exposing quite a bit, they warned prior to it happening, they exposed his original ck in date and that the security guard was shot before the shooting stated forcing the police to change their story and now they have released info that is supposed to be leaked fro LVPD that claims Padock was a low level gun runner and that is why he had to amount of guns and the gambling was how he laundered the money and was most likely set up or the buys found out his connections with law enforcement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnxhTeAQZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubg8hOBmzkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baxo7ggQezk

Based on the stock sells from the casino owner and the put option of over 1 million shares from Soros my money is on a set up, but at least we will have metal detectors and body scanners at all hotels and schools now to protect us from the NRA. :D

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Post by GARY C » Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:54 am

Steve Wynn about Paddock, he has gambled there 6 years, small stakes gambler, very vanilla profile, never a drop of alcohol and a very rational man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMC7H4cTe6Y

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Post by dwilliams » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:43 pm

GARY C wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:59 am
claims Padock was a low level gun runner and that is why he had to amount of guns
The numbers keep changing; last I saw was somewhere around fifty. That's not a particularly large number for a gunhead, not even counting the guys who do a lot of trading-up.

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dwilliams wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:43 pm
GARY C wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:59 am
claims Padock was a low level gun runner and that is why he had to amount of guns
The numbers keep changing; last I saw was somewhere around fifty. That's not a particularly large number for a gunhead, not even counting the guys who do a lot of trading-up.
I know plenty of gun collections larger than Paddocks.

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