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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by Ratu » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:32 pm

Quoting Splitter, "Antifa is anti-government."

Yeah...... Right...

Look, Splitter you just keep making up silly fairy tales (your notions are devolving so far from reality it has become impossible to lable them theories any longer). Just a ten minutes or so researching or merely by corresponding with Antifa activists/organisers would swiftly disabuse anyone sane of the notion that they are anti-government. They are anti-President Trump and anti-"deplorables" certainly, but that is not anti-government. The reality is that they are very keen on powerful government as means to force their ideas onto all throughout society. The President and the support he received from the "deplorables" are seen as being in the way. Those are what they oppose. They refer to those people they oppose as fascists, hence the name Antifa. They do not refer to themselves as Antigov or similar for the simple reason that they aren't anti-government. Anti-governmentalism is not a fundamental in their ideology. They are certainly annoyed that the "wrong" people have thrown a spanner at the governmental machinery, so to speak, but they don't oppose the machine. They just want the machine operating as per their ideology (for a start, notice they did not rise during the regime of previous president...).

Splitter, one of the take home lessons for you today is to cease making things up. Go do some serious research and learn about reality.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by sanfordandson » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:35 pm

Looks like the rat just made up his own definition to suit his political agenda.

Fake news...

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by Ratu » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:01 pm

Ah, the squealing of an attempted smear by ad hominem. Sandfordandson, if you had a sound argument to present in rebuttal you'd present it. That you do not reveals you possess nothing of substance.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by n2xlr8n » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:14 pm

Just a visitor in this particular sub-forum, but an observation if I may:

- Folks outside the US have very strong opinions (sometimes accurate, sometimes not) about the things going on within the US, politically.

- Few things piss those within the US off more than folks outside the US telling us we're wrong (even if we are wrong).

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by sanfordandson » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:49 pm

Ratu wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:01 pm
Ah, the squealing of an attempted smear by ad hominem. Sandfordandson, if you had a sound argument to present in rebuttal you'd present it. That you do not reveals you possess nothing of substance.

It would do no good. Trump has made up your mind for you. [-X

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:29 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:49 pm
Ratu wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:01 pm
Ah, the squealing of an attempted smear by ad hominem. Sandfordandson, if you had a sound argument to present in rebuttal you'd present it. That you do not reveals you possess nothing of substance.

It would do no good. Trump has made up your mind for you. [-X
So you have nothing and have chosen weasel words.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by GARY C » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:07 pm

Ratu wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:32 pm
Quoting Splitter, "Antifa is anti-government."

Yeah...... Right...

Look, Splitter you just keep making up silly fairy tales (your notions are devolving so far from reality it has become impossible to lable them theories any longer). Just a ten minutes or so researching or merely by corresponding with Antifa activists/organisers would swiftly disabuse anyone sane of the notion that they are anti-government. They are anti-President Trump and anti-"deplorables" certainly, but that is not anti-government. The reality is that they are very keen on powerful government as means to force their ideas onto all throughout society. The President and the support he received from the "deplorables" are seen as being in the way. Those are what they oppose. They refer to those people they oppose as fascists, hence the name Antifa. They do not refer to themselves as Antigov or similar for the simple reason that they aren't anti-government. Anti-governmentalism is not a fundamental in their ideology. They are certainly annoyed that the "wrong" people have thrown a spanner at the governmental machinery, so to speak, but they don't oppose the machine. They just want the machine operating as per their ideology (for a start, notice they did not rise during the regime of previous president...).

Splitter, one of the take home lessons for you today is to cease making things up. Go do some serious research and learn about reality.
This is obvious to anyone that knows what a color revolution is and who is self admittedly behind them.
The easiest way to find out if a group is acting on their own is to ask each person to explain or give an example for the words on the sighn they are holding...Most can't because they have been payed to hold a sign and chant a chant but they have no ability to explain why!

Here is the perfect example, immediately the group organizers will pull their people away because they have been exposed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIgA5qhvqkI

More recent and a clear difference of the mentality and no willingness to have a conversation what so ever even from a collage professor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LeJPV5WLak

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by Fireonthemountain » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:20 pm

Soros bet 42 million MGM stock price would fall. Mandalay Bay is an MGM Resort Holdinging.


http://investmentwatchblog.com/whoa-sor ... en-on-mgm/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzbs2rHyzWw

This smacks of the mega trading done against the airlines that would be hit betting their stocks would tank.

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

But none dare call it conspiracy...

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by sanfordandson » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:46 pm

Fireonthemountain wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:20 pm
Soros bet 42 million MGM stock price would fall. Mandalay Bay is an MGM Resort Holdinging.


http://investmentwatchblog.com/whoa-sor ... en-on-mgm/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzbs2rHyzWw

This smacks of the mega trading done against the airlines that would be hit betting their stocks would tank.

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

But none dare call it conspiracy...
And yet the shooter had plotted this same attack at other locations, even tried to get a room but couldnt.

Goodbye to that theory! [-X

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by Fireonthemountain » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:10 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:46 pm
Fireonthemountain wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:20 pm
Soros bet 42 million MGM stock price would fall. Mandalay Bay is an MGM Resort Holdinging.


http://investmentwatchblog.com/whoa-sor ... en-on-mgm/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzbs2rHyzWw

This smacks of the mega trading done against the airlines that would be hit betting their stocks would tank.

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

But none dare call it conspiracy...
And yet the shooter had plotted this same attack at other locations, even tried to get a room but couldnt.

Goodbye to that theory! [-X

Or thats what they want people to believe....just the facts and not hearsay nor propaganda. The hard facts written in the SEC filings say, that these people all chose to bet big big money only one way against the company buyback, which would boost the price.

I also heard the rumor of a hooker, that claimed he hired her frequently for rough [Blank Post]. Do you believe her too??

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by sanfordandson » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:12 pm

Fireonthemountain wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:10 pm



And yet the shooter had plotted this same attack at other locations, even tried to get a room but couldnt.

Goodbye to that theory! [-X

Or thats what they want people to believe....just the facts and not hearsay nor propaganda. The hard facts written in the SEC filings say, that these people all chose to bet big big money only one way against the company buyback, which would boost the price.

I also heard the rumor of a hooker, that claimed he hired her frequently for rough [Blank Post]. Do you believe her too??
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So whatever doesn't fit the conspiracy cant possibly be fact....got it... #-o

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by Splitter » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:20 pm

Ratu wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:32 pm
Just a ten minutes or so researching or merely by corresponding with Antifa activists/organisers would swiftly disabuse anyone sane of the notion that they are anti-government.
I don't need to reasearch it any more, I know what they are...they are anarchists, which is anti-government. Don't believe me? Check Wikipedia.
Sure, there are probably a few of them who are genuinely involved just to oppose fascism, but the majority are opposed to everything: the government, mainstream religion, progress, capitalism, marriage, rationality. That's why you see the same people at protests which have little or nothing to do with fascism: BLM marches, Occupy Wall Street, the G8 summit, it's always the same people.
Here another fairy tale for you: Antifa is a modern evolution of the revolutionary movement that began in the 1950s as the beatniks, became the hippies in the 60s, new agers in the 70s, and punks in the 80s.
The beatnik movement started after it became known to the general public what the Nazis were really up to during the war. People saw the kind of mass slaughter that was possible using modern technology, and assumed it was the eventual result of rationality and progress. So they started a movement which was the opposite of rational, the beatnik movement, which grew and evolved over time to exercise considerable influence on the left wing.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by Ratu » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:50 am

Quoting Splitter, "I don't need to reasearch it any more" etc.

Ah, I see. You glanced at Wikipedia, the source of all human knowledge.....(not). Not good enough mate! As was said. Do your research. Do not pretend you have the answers, for it is more than obvious that you do not. What you have is fiction and bias and prejudice. Put all of that nonsense aside.

Recall your original fairy tale. Do you not remember the attempt you made to suggest the shooter was potentially an anti-government conspiracy type set off by zany anti-governmental material he encountered on the internet somewhere? Trouble was that the guy was a lifelong denizen of the government sector, acting as employee and later on as a contractor. Hardy material for an anti-government conspiracy type nut job. Further, his target was not government at all. It was people attending a concert- predominantly middle class private citizens, including lots and lots of "deplorables", white people even and listening to the wrong music. This shooting was not in any way, shape or form an attack on government at any level. So, your "theory" was false, silly even, and you were called out on it. Your idea did not correspond to what was already established about the shooter and the nature of those he assaulted. Now that's not to say that the official narrative might not bend in a particular direction that suits your position. It may. The point here is that what is already established as fact excludes your ideas altogether. What you generated does not correspond with reality.

As far as Antifa are concerned, just because you state they are anarchists does not mean anything, especially when the preponderance of evidence opposes your take on matters. It is to be recommended that you consult members (note the plural) of the Antifa to find out what the reality actually is. Try it and see. Try a sample (not just one convenient person you may happen to know already).

Again, these folk are strongly oppositional to President Trump and the "deplorables" that voted him into office. They are not an opposition to government per se. Hence they are not anarchist. If these antifa people were fundamentally motivated by anarchism they'd have been active well prior to Trump and they'd have been active protesting government activity at government facilities and venues, not at university functions where they do not like some of the guest speakers, not at Trump rallies, not at rallies pertaining to historical monuments to the long deceased war dead and the like. They have not acted against government, as might be expected from people who were strongly anarchist in their world view.

The antifa crowd are predominantly socialist. In the USA common lables for socialist have included terms like "liberal", "progressive", "leftist", and the like. The fundamental and core belief statement various antifa types share is that they oppose what they refer to as "fascism" (which they know nothing about, apart from being a bad word). For them "fascism" is whatever it is they do not like at a particular moment, but that is not and has never been government. The fundamental and core belief they strive to actualise is a society corresponding to their likes, demands, biases, prejudices and preferences. That in turn requires that people who oppose their likes, demands, biases, prejudices and preferences be forced to comply with them. And THAT in turn absolutely requires really powerful government to do the forcing. Anarchy necessarily precludes their philosophies from ever being realised for there would be no entity powerful enough to do all that forcing. Now while it is possible there are those amongst their legion who might claim to be anarchists, the fact is they cannot consistently hold to a philosophy of anarchy while simultaneously holding the expectations and making the demands they do. They need Big Brother. They need the mechanism of powerful government. Hence they are not anarchist, despite any rhetoric to the contrary.

As previously stated, reality and what is already established as fact excludes your ideas. What you generated does not correspond with reality. Too bad (for you). Go do some research. Think on what you uncover. Learn.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by Ratu » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:58 am

In reference to sandfordandson, 1989TransAm comments, "So you have nothing and have chosen weasel words."

That is the fact of the matter, sad to say.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Las Vegas

Post by Ratu » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:02 am

n2xlr8n writes, "few things piss those within the US off more than folks outside the US telling us we're wrong (even if we are wrong)."

Hold that thought. It is useful to consider how it upsets people in other climes whenever the US government commits atrocities upon them... Would it be wrong for them to comment?

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