Charlottesville, Va, May Not Be What It Seems To Be!

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Re: Charlottesville, Va, May Not Be What It Seems To Be!

Post by exhaustgases » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:36 pm

And you True fascists you Marxist socialist communists didn't even read what I said about who caused the problems here in this state. Yes it was the party you seem to love. This demonstration was about free speech and they were all peaceful its your anti side that causes all the problems.
Its your news and fellow demons that switch around who is the real cause of the trouble, just remember all the burned buildings and who did that.
Wake up.

And sorry to disappoint I don't consider my self right wing, I consider myself logical, unlike some people that should have some sense like "mechanical engineers".

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Post by sanfordandson » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:53 pm

mk e wrote: Anyone using violence should be locked up, you don't get a pass just because they are guilty too.
The trumpettes seem to lean on this excuse quite a bit. I believe that's all they have left. The tank is nearly empty..

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Re: Charlottesville, Va, May Not Be What It Seems To Be!

Post by mk e » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:32 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
mk e wrote:
The reality is that most domestic terrorist events are committed by white nationalists. They body count is a bit lower than the Islamic groups, but the white nationalists aree more active and cCharlottesville is just another example.
Now that is just pure unadulterated bullshit. We are very lucky the Congressman did not die. He was shot by a Bernie supporter. Others were wounded.
Sadly its just numbers.

I didn't anywhere say the left doesn't have problems too, they certainly do but the count incident count is much lower than the right.
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Post by 1989TransAm » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:20 pm

mk e wrote:
1989TransAm wrote:
mk e wrote:
The reality is that most domestic terrorist events are committed by white nationalists. They body count is a bit lower than the Islamic groups, but the white nationalists aree more active and cCharlottesville is just another example.
Now that is just pure unadulterated bullshit. We are very lucky the Congressman did not die. He was shot by a Bernie supporter. Others were wounded.
Sadly its just numbers.

I didn't anywhere say the left doesn't have problems too, they certainly do but the count incident count is much lower than the right.
You have got to be kidding. Not needing to but I will include Muslims in this as they are the darlings of the left.

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Post by sanfordandson » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:28 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
You have got to be kidding. Not needing to but I will include Muslims in this as they are the darlings of the left.
Timothy McVeigh must be your hero.

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Post by 1989TransAm » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:27 pm

sanfordandson wrote:
1989TransAm wrote:
You have got to be kidding. Not needing to but I will include Muslims in this as they are the darlings of the left.
Timothy McVeigh must be your hero.
If you have to go back that far that just shows how far and few there have been.

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Post by sanfordandson » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:44 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
sanfordandson wrote:
1989TransAm wrote:
You have got to be kidding. Not needing to but I will include Muslims in this as they are the darlings of the left.
Timothy McVeigh must be your hero.
If you have to go back that far that just shows how far and few there have been.
Just the tip of the iceberg...alt-right christian terrorists are everywhere.

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Post by David Redszus » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:21 am

Just the tip of the iceberg...alt-right christian terrorists are everywhere.
Yes, and they always have been.
Remember the hundred of thousands of "white privilege" Union soldiers who gave their lives to free black slaves.
While very few black slaves took up arms to free themselves.

Remember that Lincoln did not want to eliminate slavery but was forced by radical Republicans to slaughter hundreds of thousands of Americans, both north and south, for political purposes.

Remember that Robt E Lee was a highly decorated soldier who fought for the US during the Mexican war and who was offered command of the Union army. He refused because he supported states rights and sided with the south, but not simply to support slavery.

Remember that slavery was legal in the Americas for several hundred years before the US was formed. And African captives were sold into slavery by their own African chiefs. Were it not for slavery, they would have all been killed in Africa.

Remember that slaves did not serve and die in our military, like "white nationalists" did; they served their country by providing much needed agricultural production. If reparations are in order, it should go to "white nationalists" who gave their lives so that slaves could miss their freedom opportunity and remain at the bottom of our social order.

Remember Precious Cupcakes, to get your heads out of your asses and see the world the way it really is and not how you wish it were or how you would would like it to be. And if this offends anyone, so fukking what; you deserve to be offended. Its the price of stupidity.

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Post by mk e » Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:10 am

1989TransAm wrote:
sanfordandson wrote:
Timothy McVeigh must be your hero.
If you have to go back that far that just shows how far and few there have been.
He's the most successful, but we only need to go back to last weekend right?

And why exactly were Nazis out protesting the removal of a confederate statue? Confederate and nazi flags inter mixed, sometimes one guy holding both?

Any ideas?

And why exactly are there statues to men who in Lee's case is personally responsible for the deaths of 100s of thousands US citizens? Any thoughts on that?

Local governments can put up whatever the local people want but it goid to see local governments finally understanding what it is a symbol of and taking them down.....and hate groups are realizing this is probably a last stand moment for them.
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Post by David Redszus » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:15 am

And why exactly are there statues to men who in Lee's case is personally responsible for the deaths of 100s of thousands US citizens? Any thoughts on that?
My thought is that you are completely off-base and do not understand American history. You believe in historical fairy tales and attempt to practice historical revisionism.
Go find out who Robt E Lee really was and how he served his country. You are sounding a little foolish.
Local governments can put up whatever the local people want
Really? Nonsense.
but it goid to see local governments finally understanding what it is a symbol of and taking them down
A symbol of your own fantasy and nothing more.
....and hate groups are realizing this is probably a last stand moment for them.
Naive. Hate will always be part of humanity. Unfortunately.

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Post by 1989TransAm » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:52 am

mk e wrote:
1989TransAm wrote:
sanfordandson wrote:
Timothy McVeigh must be your hero.
If you have to go back that far that just shows how far and few there have been.
He's the most successful, but we only need to go back to last weekend right?
You are amazing. We hardly know anything about this 20 year old yet you already have labeled him. One thing that has come out is that maybe he possibly has some mental issues. I have seen some interesting things about the organizer of this event. I will not post it as I do not no for sure.

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Post by David Redszus » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:02 pm

And why exactly were Nazis out protesting the removal of a confederate statue?
The rally was against historical revisionism, not against some statue. The Nazi flag was incidental and foolish.
Confederate and nazi flags inter mixed, sometimes one guy holding both?
You're right, Nazi and Confederate flags have nothing in common; not even from the same era or political systems.

The nazi flag is a symbol of socialism gone amuck, as it always does. The nazis were not right wingers, they were lefties and today would be called Democraps. Their mission was to restore a nation and bring prosperity to its citizens by means of revised social order. "Ve know vat ist best vor you, you will obey." Sound familiar?

The Confederate flag is a symbol of states rights which was repressed by Lincoln. Eleven states declared their right to operate as their citizens preferred and without breaking US laws. Radical Republican activists demanded that Lincoln interfere with their right to govern as they saw fit. Lincoln caused the slaughter of almost 600,000 American citizens and forced hundreds of thousand more into poverty. And for what, you ask?

After the war, the overwhelming majority of freed slaves returned to their original plantations, worked under even lesser condition, and their descendants have yet to fully assimilate into American society.

The slave holding south was a Democratic Party stronghold, not Republican. The KKK was supported by Democraps including President Woodrow Wilson. Almost all Presidents up until the Civil War owned slaves since it was perfectly legal.

So perhaps we can say that both the Nazi flag and later the Confederate flag were symbols of liberal socialism at work. Today both symbols will piss somebody off. Better pissed off than pissed on.

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Post by mk e » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:11 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
You are amazing. We hardly know anything about this 20 year old yet you already have labeled him. One thing that has come out is that maybe he possibly has some mental issues.
He almost certainly has mental issues as do all racists.....an issue is just a deviation from the norm so anyone with ideas that don't comfort can be said to have mental issues. The legal question is usually did he understand his action would harm someone.....and all indications are that he did but you're right that we need to wait to be certain.
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Post by 1989TransAm » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:06 pm

I now see reports that the police were told to stand down. Probably the mayor and if so he has blood on his hands. The police should have been allowed to do their job as they were doing.

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Post by 1989TransAm » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:25 pm

This is from another forum but it now appears that this Jason Kessler guy who was the "leader" of this right wing group is not what he appears to be. He has had a lot of leftist ties. More on the mayor later.

"In this Aug 14, 2017 (yesterday) interview with Alex Jones, Jason Kessler admits he was both an Obama and Occupy Wall Street supporter. It begins at about the 2:01:20 mark. Haven’t seen any confirmation (yet?) of his (possibly) being the same guy who worked for CNN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvXFKKVhSkY
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From the far left Southern Poverty Law Center...
“At one recent speech in favor of Charlottesville’s status as a sanctuary city, Kessler live-streamed himself as an attendee questioned him and apologized for an undisclosed spat during Kessler’s apparent involvement with Occupy. Kessler appeared visibly perturbed by the woman’s presence and reminders of their past association.”
“A “journalist, activist and author from Charlottesville, VA,” Kessler’s LinkedIn account states that he graduated of the University of Virginia in 2009. He was virtually unknown in the media prior to his crusade against Charlottesville Vice Mayor and City Councilman Wes Bellamy.”
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... on-kessler
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From CNN... (nearly 6 years ago)

Poll: Most New Yorkers side with protesters
By CNN Assignment Editor Jason Kessler
October 17th, 2011
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... rotesters/
Wall Street protests grow after unions’ endorsement
By Jason Kessler and Michael Martinez, CNN
October 5, 2011
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/politics/ ... index.html
Unions endorse, will join Occupy Wall Street protests
By Jason Kessler and Michael Martinez
October 4, 2011
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/politics/ ... index.html"

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