Oh The Joys Of Socialism..................NOT!

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Re: Oh The Joys Of Socialism..................NOT!

Post by Ken0069 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:24 pm

Venezuela Raises Minimum Wage 3,000% and Lots of Workers Get Fired
Sep 14, 2018
Venezuelan workers who earned a pittance are now earning a slightly larger pittance, thanks to a big increase in the minimum wage. What they may not have are jobs.

Starting this week, 7 million employees are guaranteed 1,800 bolivars a month -- worth about $20 at the black-market rate. President Nicolas Maduro intended the mandate as political boost, but it’s having the opposite effect as companies, already hit by Venezuela’s epic economic contraction, tell workers they can’t afford to keep them.

While there have been many similar moves in the past, never has one been so disruptive, arriving amid hyperinflation, depression and devaluation. Some employers are restructuring costs, rejiggering pay scales and negotiating settlements with workers. Others are simply dismissing people. Much of the action happens secretively as companies try to avoid punishment by the government, which has been jailing those it believes are flouting the rules.

Caracas garage owner Marcos Vizcaino, 56, said the increase was the final blow for the family business of two generations. He said the scarcity of spare parts, a sclerotic tax bureaucracy and hyperinflation had already complicated matters and resulted in less than a customer a day.

“I already told my four employees to go find other jobs,” he said. “I’ve decided to close. There’s no need for me to keep to losing money for a third year in a row.”
No Customers

In two industrial and wholesale districts in Caracas, La Trinidad and Boleita, about half the businesses were closed last week, including several restaurants that depend on local workers. Weekday traffic resembled the leisurely flow of a Sunday.

“I have four salesmen; all have come in this morning,” said Manuel Rosas, 55, who owns a shop that sells spare parts for Chryslers. By 11 a.m., he had sent them all home because they had nothing to do.

The higher minimum wage, which Maduro announced last month, was among several bids to steady the rapidly failing state’s economy and stanch hyperinflation. The socialist autocrat also devalued the currency and lopped five zeroes off denominations of the bolivar bill, which has been rendered almost valueless.

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Re: Oh The Joys Of Socialism..................NOT!

Post by 1989TransAm » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:48 pm

This is what will happen in this country if the lefties get their way. ^^^^^^^^^^

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Post by Firedome8 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:48 pm
This is what will happen in this country if the lefties get their way. ^^^^^^^^^^
All Venezuela demonstrates is that if you leave implementation to the very worst, most anti-intellectual, callous, authoritarian and criminal people in society, socialism can have genuinely horrendous consequences. But couldn’t the same be said of every ideology?

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Post by GRTfast » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:39 pm

Firedome8 wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 pm
...the very worst, most anti-intellectual, callous, authoritarian and criminal people in society..
There is a word for these people. Politicians.

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Post by Firedome8 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:45 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:48 pm
This is what will happen in this country if the lefties get their way. ^^^^^^^^^^
Remember what bush left for Obama to fix.

Deficits don't matter Reagan proved that!
"Dick" Cheney

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Re: Oh The Joys Of Socialism..................NOT!

Post by pdq67 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:45 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BUT DEBT DOES MATTER!!

AND RIGHT!!!

"Firedome8 wrote:

...the very worst, most anti-intellectual, callous, authoritarian and criminal people in society.. There is a word for these people. Politicians."

So true!!

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Post by Ken0069 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:45 am

I think I could support this if there are MULTIPLE NATIONS INVOLVED WITH TROOPS ON THE GROUND THERE!! This piece of shit needs to go!!!

Is Trump Eyeing A Coup In Venezuela?
Sep 27, 2018
The Trump administration and some others in the U.S. government have sent some not-so-subtle hints lately that they are open to a military invasion of Venezuela to oust President Nicolas Maduro.

“It’s a regime that frankly could be toppled very quickly by the military, if the military decides to do that,” President Trump told reporters on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly on Tuesday.

The words seem to offer some encouragement for a coup, which may not come as a surprise because the New York Times published an investigation in early September that found that the Trump administration met secretly with Venezuelan military officers over the last year to discuss an overthrow of Maduro.

Venezuela is in tatters and there have been previous signs that Maduro’s grip is tenuous, including the renegade helicopter pilot earlier this year and the bizarre scene in which drones exploded during a military parade in August near Maduro.

In other words, the threat of a coup has been rising for some time.

But more recently, there have been louder murmurings in Washington and beyond. Bloomberg noted that Fernando Cutz, a former member of the National Security Council, said that a multilateral military invasion of Venezuela might be the best solution. Also, some prominent Venezuelan dissidents and former officials have supported regime change. Florida Senator Marco Rubio said there is a “very strong argument” for such a move. Then there were Trump’s comments in New York at the UN. (more here)
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Re: Oh The Joys Of Socialism..................NOT!

Post by j-c-c » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:05 pm

Firedome8 wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:48 pm
This is what will happen in this country if the lefties get their way. ^^^^^^^^^^
All Venezuela demonstrates is that if you leave implementation to the very worst, most anti-intellectual, callous, authoritarian and criminal people in society, socialism can have genuinely horrendous consequences. But couldn’t the same be said of every ideology?
But in reality its always the other guys "ideology". but for a more precise answer, YES. =D>

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Post by David Redszus » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:37 pm

Firedome8 wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:48 pm
This is what will happen in this country if the lefties get their way. ^^^^^^^^^^
All Venezuela demonstrates is that if you leave implementation to the very worst, most anti-intellectual, callous, authoritarian and criminal people in society, socialism can have genuinely horrendous consequences. But couldn’t the same be said of every ideology?
No it could not be said of every ideology.

Some ideologies are focused on centralized control with limited freedom of choice; often called socialism but has been known by other names.

An ideology that diminishes governmental control and allows decentralized decision making is a different matter entirely.
Although both may be corrupt and/or inept, the government with the lesser control and influence does less damage and allows much more individual freedom to choice.

What liberals often choose to criticize as "capitalism", should more properly be called "free enterprise." It always works.
Free enterprise does not need a democracy and can tolerate fools of all description, but must be inclusive of its citizens.

The key difference is that free enterprise is self-correcting while socialism is not.

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Re: Oh The Joys Of Socialism..................NOT!

Post by j-c-c » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:01 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:37 pm
Firedome8 wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:48 pm
This is what will happen in this country if the lefties get their way. ^^^^^^^^^^
All Venezuela demonstrates is that if you leave implementation to the very worst, most anti-intellectual, callous, authoritarian and criminal people in society, socialism can have genuinely horrendous consequences. But couldn’t the same be said of every ideology?
No it could not be said of every ideology.

Some ideologies are focused on centralized control with limited freedom of choice; often called socialism but has been known by other names.

An ideology that diminishes governmental control and allows decentralized decision making is a different matter entirely.
Although both may be corrupt and/or inept, the government with the lesser control and influence does less damage and allows much more individual freedom to choice.

What liberals often choose to criticize as "capitalism", should more properly be called "free enterprise." It always works.
Free enterprise does not need a democracy and can tolerate fools of all description, but must be inclusive of its citizens.

The key difference is that free enterprise is self-correcting while socialism is not.
I disagree.

Like saying slavery is self correcting or maybe every system self corrects eventually with its own demise as power and wealth reach critical mass in the hands of a few?
"Takes money to make money", and "the more money you have the more money you make", ring a bell?

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Re: Oh The Joys Of Socialism..................NOT!

Post by Firedome8 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:45 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:37 pm
Firedome8 wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:48 pm
This is what will happen in this country if the lefties get their way. ^^^^^^^^^^
All Venezuela demonstrates is that if you leave implementation to the very worst, most anti-intellectual, callous, authoritarian and criminal people in society, socialism can have genuinely horrendous consequences. But couldn’t the same be said of every ideology?
No it could not be said of every ideology.

Some ideologies are focused on centralized control with limited freedom of choice; often called socialism but has been known by other names.

An ideology that diminishes governmental control and allows decentralized decision making is a different matter entirely.
Although both may be corrupt and/or inept, the government with the lesser control and influence does less damage and allows much more individual freedom to choice.

What liberals often choose to criticize as "capitalism", should more properly be called "free enterprise." It always works.
Free enterprise does not need a democracy and can tolerate fools of all description, but must be inclusive of its citizens.

The key difference is that free enterprise is self-correcting while socialism is not.
Can you elaborate on the self correcting nature of free enterprise.

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Re: Oh The Joys Of Socialism..................NOT!

Post by bunner engines » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:30 am

Do you left nutsacks not realize....
Socialism cannot exist without capitalism ?
Man you left are so thickheaded.
it always cost less to do it right the first time!

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Post by Firedome8 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:47 am

bunner engines wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:30 am
Do you left nutsacks not realize....
Socialism cannot exist without capitalism ?
Man you left are so thickheaded.
Please explain.

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Re: Oh The Joys Of Socialism..................NOT!

Post by j-c-c » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:47 am

bunner engines wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:30 am
Do you left nutsacks not realize....
Socialism cannot exist without capitalism ?
Man you left are so thickheaded.
I missed the part where or who said it is only an either or situation?

Please be very clear and thorough for those "thickheaded" here, in your reponse

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Post by David Redszus » Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:00 pm

What liberals often choose to criticize as "capitalism", should more properly be called "free enterprise." It always works.
Free enterprise does not need a democracy and can tolerate fools of all description, but must be inclusive of its citizens.

The key difference is that free enterprise is self-correcting while socialism is not.
Can you elaborate on the self correcting nature of free enterprise.
The successful continuation of free enterprise requires a flow of profits from operations. Profits do not magically appear if the enterprise does not meet the needs and expectation of its customers. Those who do not meet the needs of its customers go out of business or are absorbed by other enterprises who do meet customer need.

Tracing the existence (and demise) of major corporations over the last 150 years provides sufficient evidence of those who have not adapted to the requirements of their customers.

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