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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by Warpspeed » Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:32 pm

I can think of a whole bunch of reasons, natural, political, and economic.

Natural dissasters:
Yellowstone decides to spit the dummy and wipe out at least a third of North America.
Likewise, a really major earthquake in Western or Central USA with multiple nuclear power plants going critical would not help the thriving stock market.
The power grid goes down and stays down for any of several possible causes.
Continued floods and drought, massive death from Ebola, all economy killers.

Political dissasters:
Obama foolishly decides to nuke either Iran or Russia, the bankers and military industrial complex desperately need to start another war.
How about another Zionist and Nocon inspired false flag event like 911 ?
A nuclear attack on one or more American cities.
Obama decides to suddenly declare martial law for any of several silly reasons.
How about the Pentagon deciding to arrest Obama, the entire executive, and all of Congress and the Senate, and hold honest elections for a whole new government?
Borders wiill be secured, Homeland Security and TSA and Federal Reserve abolished, great stuff for all Americans, but the uncertainty would surely kill the economy, at least for a while.

Economic dissasters:
Ninety percent of the worlds population, 190 countries, and over sixty percent of world commerce have, or are about to totally reject the US dollar for international trade. The petro dollar is now all but dead.
The BRICS nations now have their own world bank established, and very soon a new world currency will be announced.
Its coming and coming very soon.
The US gold stockpile supposed to exist both in Fort Knox and beneath the Federal Reserve has been stolen long ago, and no longer exists.
Its never been audited since Truman, its all now totally gone.
Cheers, Tony.

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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by nickmckinney » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:56 am

Wow Warpspeed - Carpe diem bro

P/E always tracked pretty good as you either own a stock planning to make money on its value change and/or on its dividend. Companies come and go, for a laugh research the original DOW 30 and where they went and all those that have come and gone.

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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by pdq67 » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:03 am

I have a really funny feeling that if the mulatto decides to pull a society threatening stunt, he won't live long!!

Probably by the FED or whoever!!

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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by Warpspeed » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:20 pm

The problem pdq, is that if the Fag in the Whitehouse did unexpectedly commit "assisted" suicide, all the alternatives are going to be even worse.
The illustrious vice prez ? The fool with the gavel in Congress ? Mitt the twit ?

Or maybe you get to choose between Hillary or Jeb at the next rigged election ?
It doesn't look good.
The system is totally broken.
Cheers, Tony.

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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by sanfordandson » Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:34 pm

I get the feeling that warpspeed wishes he lived in a REAL country.. :lol:

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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by Ken0069 » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:17 am

Does George Soros know something we don’t about the S&P 500?
August 15, 2014, 6:35 AM ET
By Barbara Kollmeyer

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/need-to-kn ... he-sp-500/

Oh, goody. It’s 13F time, when mere mortals like us get to see how the big boys rolled the dice in the last quarter.

Among the highlights, Soros Fund Management increased a bear-call bet on the S&P 500 in a huge way. The fund lifted a put position — a bet the market will go lower — on the S&P 500 ETF SPY +0.36% to its biggest size yet, in terms of value and portfolio percentage, making a 605% leap over the previous quarter.

Bullion Baron, who has long kept a beady eye on Soros’s SPY moves, has summed up the latest dealings. He speculated that this could be a hedge — or Soros is really worried about something. One possible something is China, which the hedge-fund titan referred to as a global uncertainty earlier in the year, notes the Baron.

Soros also lifted positions in Apple and Facebook, so it seems he can’t be all that gloomy. As for that China unease, WSJ’s MoneyBeat reports that China bears are entrenched and see stocks headed for a big fall. One strategist says it’s not good to see that stocks there have been rallying on both good and bad economic news.

“In [a] market frenzy, it is difficult to keep a cool head. But if things don’t add up, it will eventually fall apart,” Hao Hong, Bank of Communications international strategist, tells MoneyBeat.

Now the only problem here, says the Baron, is that if things go pear-shaped in China, that’s not great news for equity markets anywhere, especially those at overvalued levels.
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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by sanfordandson » Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:41 am

Ken0069 wrote:Does George Soros know something we don’t about the S&P 500?
August 15, 2014, 6:35 AM ET
By Barbara Kollmeyer

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/need-to-kn ... he-sp-500/

Oh, goody. It’s 13F time, when mere mortals like us get to see how the big boys rolled the dice in the last quarter.

Among the highlights, Soros Fund Management increased a bear-call bet on the S&P 500 in a huge way. The fund lifted a put position — a bet the market will go lower — on the S&P 500 ETF SPY +0.36% to its biggest size yet, in terms of value and portfolio percentage, making a 605% leap over the previous quarter.

Bullion Baron, who has long kept a beady eye on Soros’s SPY moves, has summed up the latest dealings. He speculated that this could be a hedge — or Soros is really worried about something. One possible something is China, which the hedge-fund titan referred to as a global uncertainty earlier in the year, notes the Baron.

Soros also lifted positions in Apple and Facebook, so it seems he can’t be all that gloomy. As for that China unease, WSJ’s MoneyBeat reports that China bears are entrenched and see stocks headed for a big fall. One strategist says it’s not good to see that stocks there have been rallying on both good and bad economic news.

“In [a] market frenzy, it is difficult to keep a cool head. But if things don’t add up, it will eventually fall apart,” Hao Hong, Bank of Communications international strategist, tells MoneyBeat.

Now the only problem here, says the Baron, is that if things go pear-shaped in China, that’s not great news for equity markets anywhere, especially those at overvalued levels.
From the same blog post...the part you cut out [-X

“From a relative-growth perspective, the U.S. is significantly outperforming Europe, corporate earnings have been good. From a geopolitical standpoint … where do you go to invest right now, with bond yields so low? The belief is that the U.S., on a relative basis, is going to outperform,” says Weston.

He says if you’d asked him three months ago what his biggest worry was, he would have said a 10% drop for the S&P 500, due to a major rise in 10-year bond yields. ”That’s clearly not going to happen anytime soon,” he says.

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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by Warpspeed » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:00 pm

sanfordandson wrote: “From a relative-growth perspective, the U.S. is significantly outperforming Europe,
........................ The belief is that the U.S., on a relative basis, is going to outperform,” says Weston.
That may indeed be true on a RELATIVE basis.

But the situation is that the entire world is facing total economic ruin through over leveraging of paper,
derivatives that can never be redeemed, and debts that can never possibly ever be repaid.
Paper claims on wealth (including fiat dollars, bonds, shares, any legal contract) will all become worthless.

The only sensible thing that the average wage serf can really do is try to be as self sufficient as possible, live within your means, and put savings into something useful and tangible that you physically hold posession of and can defend.

Quite apart from financial security comes physical security.
And its not just bad guys with guns to fear.
There is also drought, famine, disease, and natural dissasters to steer clear of.
Also the morality, mental health, and stability of governments and communities.
These are crazy times and about to get even crazier.

It is the physical security aspect that could make many smaller countries, much safer places to live.
Cheers, Tony.

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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by pdq67 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:58 pm

Think about a gun portfolio!

An SKS and/or AK-47, a Mousin Nagant, (M-30 rifle and/or an M-44 carbine), a 12 pump 8 shot maverick 88 and a Hi-Point .45 are good investments.

Buy shells for the SKS/AK-47 and MN in sardine cans!! The rest as you can afford. Tula shells may be dirty, but they still shoot! Slugs and double 00 Buck too.

Heck, go a .308 if you can afford it, but the MN 7.62 x 54R may out shoot it.

And don't forget the DEER and VARMINT GUNS!! A 30-06 and 270 as well as the .22-250 and .220 Swift are hellish long range shells.

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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by Ken0069 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:32 am

Was doing some reading this morning on a financial site and found this OP ED on our current situation. Remember, this is just ONE persons opinion and should be regarded as such but there is an interesting theory here.
John Manfred wrote:What many people seem not to understand is the fact that the stock, bond and commodities markets are being tightly controlled right now by the big banks using funding out of the NY Fed so-called "loan windows". The banks move stock and bond prices ever upward mostly by using wash trading. They buy from each other on the open visible markets for ever increasing apparent prices, and then settle these trades without profit or loss, with the other banks, using dark pools. The same technique is used, in the reverse, in the gold market, where they are being subsidized by the US Treasury to keep gold prices down. Their mischief is complicated somewhat by the fact that things like gold are deliverable and they've basically pissed away all the foreign gold held in the Fed's basement vault. However, generally speaking, the stock and bond markets will drop like a stone, and gold will skyrocket, when and ONLY when they want it to happen.

In other words, enough non-connected investors, both large and small, must be lured into the buying cycle, so that the likes of Goldman Sachs, Barclays, et. al. can make a big profit when markets collapse. That is the real reason for the Fed's quantitative easing program. It was designed to allow the banks to rid themselves of undesirable assets at high prices. Indeed, that is exactly what the former President of the NY Fed admitted at a conference of bankers in NYC, shortly after the beginning of QE in 2009. He said that it would be for a "limited time" to allow those who have been "unjustifiably caught" in the downturn but "have not done anything wrong" (except perhaps, manipulate on behalf of the banking mafia) to sell undesirable assets in "an orderly manner."

We are probably getting close to the point where the total collapse that should have happened in 2008 will be allowed to happen. The coming collapse, however, has nothing directly to do with the sentiment itself. The extraordinarily bullish sentiment merely illustrates the fact that the general public and large non-Fed-connected institutional investors have let down their guard, taken the bait offered by the international banking mafia, and are buying stocks and bonds at ridiculously inflated prices. Soon, the wash-trading bankers will be reeling in profits by allowing markets to collapse on cue.
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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by sanfordandson » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:58 pm

Dow jones up about 500 points since my post on aug 11th! =D>

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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by Warpspeed » Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:42 pm

Ken, you are quite right about suspecting commercial traders ratcheting up the stock prices by buying and selling shares back and forth between colluding traders.
This has been a growing problem ever since the old fashioned open public trading floor was replaced by electronic trading.
High frequency trading has only made the problem worse.

You can theoretically do it by trading only one single share offered above market price, sell that, and the bid price moves up.
The suckers see the price moving up and start buying.

The whole thing is now a totally rigged casino.
Everyone is happy to see stock values continue to rise, and it will continue to do so as long as nobody starts selling.
Once selling volume reaches some low threshold, the panic will be explosive.
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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by sanfordandson » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:19 am

S&P over 2000 now setting more records!

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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by Ken0069 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:58 am

S&P 500? If I were you, I'd rush right out and buy a bunch of stock then! :wink: Maybe you could borrow some money and buy even more!
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Re: Stock Market Crash?

Post by 1989TransAm » Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:12 pm

Yes, he could even get another mortgage on this house to raise even more money.

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