So...... who's going to be the next President???

[enigma57]

Sorry for not replying promptly, I have been away in a remote location for work, and haven't had the ability to access the web. Enigma basically describes social justice as I see it, although I don't count myself as a proponent of socialist/communist "equal for all" philosophy. My position, which I readily admit is left of centre, is more that some aspects of a civilised society are measured not just by dollars and cents......

Howie, I would agree with that. Its not so much that one side is more fair than the other. It has to do mostly with what is thought by those on both sides to be fair...... And how each goes about it.

The more left oriented a person is philosophically and politically, the more they tend to think of 'fair' in terms of equal outcomes, whilst relying on government to step in and 'level the playing field' for those less fortunate.

And the more right of center a person is, the more they think of 'fair' in terms of equal opportunity without consideration of 'leveling the playing field' to skew results one way or the other. Government should play no role.

Most of us fall somewhere between those extremes and as you suggest, there are those who genuinely need assistance and anyone of good heart will not deny them that.

In such instances, those left oriented will look to government to help the truly needy...... Whilst those right oriented will either take it on themselves to help them, or will accomplish this through charitable contributions to private secular or religious organizations which help the needy.

Best regards,

Harry

[Speedbump]

" Whilst those right oriented will either take it on themselves to help them, or will accomplish this through charitable contributions to private secular or religious organizations which help the needy." If in real life the wealthy did this, there would be far less "left and right" to separate us. Historically it appears contrary to the thinking of the well off to do this as in Matthew 19:24 "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle......" This is new testament so it doesn't apply across the board but it seems the thinking was there even in the "old" days.

[enigma57]

Voltaire wrote...... "With great power comes great responsibility". Over the years, Voltaire's comment has been appropriated by others and rephrased, substituting the word 'wealth' for 'power'...... To read 'With great wealth comes great responsibility'.

However, charitable deeds and giving are not the exclusive purvey of the wealthy, Speedbump. Each of us to the degree that we can, have an obligation to help others in need. Whether we do so; how we do so; and to what extent...... Is up to each individual.

It is not the responsibility of government to punish hard work and success by taking disproportionately through confiscatory tax structure from the well to do...... In order to redistribute their hard earned wealth to those whom Marx referred to as 'the proletariat'. Especially when this unconstitutional act is little more than a pretext to 'buy' the votes of those who are the beneficiaries of said 'redistribution'.

I say 'unconstitutional' because the 14th Amendment to our Constitution guarantees all US citizens the right to 'equal protection' under the law. Anytime one person or group of persons is granted privileged or 'special' status or 'rights' not afforded others...... All those not afforded such 'special' status and 'rights'...... Are deprived of their right to 'equal protection' under the law.

Best regards,

Harry

[SKeown]

Let me put it like this: Those only smart enough to tell the difference between black and white won't dictate the outcome.

SKeown

[Engguy]

It is about the power hungry super wealthy. The ones you don't kow nothing about, they are the ones that crafted "Agenda 21" it is at least the only Agenda that you can search and find some information on. The search will lead you to all the nice catch words we all hear all the time, "sustainability" etc. It is all propagated via environmentalizim and global climate change, warming etc. And since Romney is not a player in their pocket, and the big O is. I predict it will be the big O that wins. Besides the Big O said "after he is reelected he will have more flexability", not "if he is reelected".

[CREngines]

It is about the power hungry super wealthy. The ones you don't kow nothing about, they are the ones that crafted "Agenda 21" it is at least the only Agenda that you can search and find some information on. The search will lead you to all the nice catch words we all hear all the time, "sustainability" etc. It is all propagated via environmentalizim and global climate change, warming etc. And [i]since Romney is not a player in their pocket, [/i]and the big O is. I predict it will be the big O that wins. Besides the Big O said "after he is reelected he will have more flexability", not "if he is reelected".

If you truly believe that then you are living in another universe. People will not vote for somebody they dont trust. Anybody who has watched this from the beginning with an open mind sees something very obvious. Mitt Romney will say whatever is required to win. Not what he believes. The only thing his puppeteers did right this time was they had enough sense not to put the most crooked man since Joe Stalin on the ticket for VP.

[Engguy]

It is about the power hungry super wealthy. The ones you don't kow nothing about, they are the ones that crafted "Agenda 21" it is at least the only Agenda that you can search and find some information on. The search will lead you to all the nice catch words we all hear all the time, "sustainability" etc. It is all propagated via environmentalizim and global climate change, warming etc. And [i]since Romney is not a player in their pocket, [/i]and the big O is. I predict it will be the big O that wins. Besides the Big O said "after he is reelected he will have more flexability", not "if he is reelected".

If you truly believe that then you are living in another universe. People will not vote for somebody they dont trust. Anybody who has watched this from the beginning with an open mind sees something very obvious. Mitt Romney will say whatever is required to win. Not what he believes. The only thing his puppeteers did right this time was they had enough sense not to put the most crooked man since Joe Stalin on the ticket for VP.

You make zero sense. Do you know what is in AGENDA 21? Obviously not. With Agenda 21 there is no believing about anything, it is a fact. It is something true and there. You and anyone that is on the Obama team needs to study it and have it sink in as it is totally un american. It is total zero liberty.
Mitt actually cares about the US and your Liberties, the other sides only desire is to implement Agenda 21. You really need to search it out. Unless planting flowers is your favorite thing to do. Cause with Agenda 21 there is not much else allowed. And please stop with the LCD switch around it gets very old.
Write back after you search out Agenda 21. Tell us what you like best about it.
And people Voting????? I guess you didn't hear how the vote machines work. A vote for Romney is a vote for O. You live in another universe, try seeking out some truth and facts.

[CREngines]

[Ratu]

So now, on the cusp of the Presidential election. who do you reckon is going to be elected to high office? Further, what will be the result of that?

Ratu

[avengerengines]

So now, on the cusp of the Presidential election. who do you reckon is going to be elected to high office? Further, what will be the result of that?

Ratu

Obama will win. The economy will continue to improve although not as fast as we would like. It's a global situation that will correct itself. The president doesn't have as much control over this as some think.
Bob

[Ratu]

Bob

The economy will not improve, regardless of which contender ends up in the White House. With trillions of dollars of unrepayable debt ($222-trillion when Social Security and Medicare liabilities are counted in) and the Fed money printing operation running at some US$60-billion per month (talk about currency debasement!) there is no way the economy is set to improve. The standard of living for US domiciled people is going to continue to fall. Of course, the media is going to keep reporting all sorts of gingered up figures and people will believe... right until personal circumstance smacks them into reality. Best prepare for a hard, hard time.

Meanwhile, were Romney elected what would he alter? Which policies would be different? Anything substantive?

Ratu

[avengerengines]

Bob

The economy will not improve, regardless of which contender ends up in the White House. With trillions of dollars of unrepayable debt ($222-trillion when Social Security and Medicare liabilities are counted in) and the Fed money printing operation running at some US$60-billion per month (talk about currency debasement!) there is no way the economy is set to improve. The standard of living for US domiciled people is going to continue to fall. Of course, the media is going to keep reporting all sorts of gingered up figures and people will believe... right until personal circumstance smacks them into reality. Best prepare for a hard, hard time.

Meanwhile, were Romney elected what would he alter? Which policies would be different? Anything substantive?

Ratu

By the ecomomy improving, I meant more people going back to work, more housing starts and rising home values (not to where it was but higher than it is now). I know what you're saying about the future in general. It will be difficult if not impossible to stop the train wreck. I don't believe it matters who wins. The outcome will be the same and it won't be good.
Bob

[Engguy]

So now, on the cusp of the Presidential election. who do you reckon is going to be elected to high office? Further, what will be the result of that?

Ratu

Obama will win. The economy will continue to improve although not as fast as we would like. It's a global situation that will correct itself. The president doesn't have as much control over this as some think.
Bob

The president has control over his pen and his signature, and over executive orders to force on us all what ever he so desires. So you are incorrect. Forced purchase of health care is the tip of the iceburg, next if you are a gun owner those will be removed from your possesion. And then down the line if you own or live on land that will be removed from you, and the UN will have control over it. Just like the 24 million acres in Alaska. Motor sports will be deemed bad for mother earth and will be eliminated. You won't need a car because you will be forced into appartment style housing, less your super wealthy like O's movie star buddies.

[avengerengines]

Unbelievable

[MotionMachine]

So instead of eyerolls and single word quips, how about opinions on the UN's Agenda 21? I have not heard a good argument for it here yet. Or even any acknowledgment that it has been mentioned. I suspect blissful ignorance to the facts, again.