avengerengines wrote:I like to start the day with a good laugh.
johnretired wrote:avengerengines wrote:I like to start the day with a good laugh.
YOU are an insult to all veterans, parents and voters of this country.
I'm done here.
You deserve what is coming to your business.
It's comical to listen to right wing extremists. You can't have an opinion unless it's something they approve.
views that I or anyone else has presented here?right wing extremists
to ask you to provide some reason for the opinions you have?right wing extremist
rce4csh wrote:It is very amusing Avenger Sir that you are apparently labeling me as a "Right Wing Extremist", when in complete fact, you know absolutely nothing about me! You don't know what I do, how I serve this country, how I in fact vote, or any other bit of real info by which you could make any resonably intelligent judgement about me as person. It is very ironic that a man with such demonstrated abilities in technical discernment would choose to so carelessly apply such a degrading label in generalization. A highly inaccurate label I might add.
What is blatantly apparent in this thread's discourse is an apparent difficulty and/or a willing reluctance on your part to participate in any conversation beyond just providing flippant and negatively charged comment to what is posted. I have yet to see any real effort on your part to provide any substantive detail to your positions so that others like myself can gain some insight to your perspective on things. Clearly Sir, you must be of above average intelligence in some regard or you would be unable to produce the product that you do. You certainly must be discerning enough to study factual data to evaulate results to a defined performance level or your dyno work would be of little net use. I would be willing to bet that some honest and open conversation regarding specific political topics would provide some very interesting and detailed perspective by you as to what or what does not work to acheive an outcome of national benefit.
In your post previous you remind us that we too know very little about you. Well comparatively that also is true. You boast that you and your wife spend an apparently large amount of your charitable effort in support of your local VA hospital. Ironically, so do I. In fact, there are many others on this forum who also do the like. As a group it would seem that most here believe that the efforts put forth by our nation's veterans are highly prized and their continued well being is of great mutual concern. With that understood, I do wonder why it is you so quickly move to be deflamatory to the others here, whom while they may differ in their choice of vote, are in fact more aligned with important core values than first appears. In your responses might it be possible be you are merely playing with us in an effort to simply irritate? If so then that is your choice and the collective here will understand this and move forward appropriately. No one here has ever asked you to forsake your strongheld beliefs in order to win favor. However, you've been asked politely to be a bit less degrading to others in respect to theirs. The opportunity for advanced political discussion is dependent opon mutual respect regardless of how difficult this may prove to be.
This now my second request to you in consideration to others who participate here. I am hopeful you will not take this as serious offense but rather that you frame your further input so that we might all have some meaningful discussion of important national issues and furthermore gain something of value from your perspective that we can do something with.
rce4csh wrote:Avenger you are right about the two party system in place right now! We would be much better off if things are as you said, devoid of speech writers and strategists. Too bad there isn't some kind of dyno of sorts we could use to definitely measure political claims against actual results. I sure our politicians would be very unhappy with the results of that kind of testing and would be more readily voted out.
Unfortunately, multiple decades of being registered independent accomplished nothing with my efforts in the form of important changes like reducing the size of government. A long rethink of my how my energy was spent resulted in some limited realignment to a party whereby I could work from within and effect positive change. This has been well rewarded at a local level and I am hopeful that this momentum can be pushed forward to the national scene. No matter what the FED tells you, it is easy to see that any effective change in government always begins at the county level and typically with your own county commissioners. By and large my limited political alignment is still an experiment and it seems to be working so I am going to continue with it. There is no denying your general point that government has grown so that it is it's own special interest group now. As such, it seeks to sustain it's own growth and it's own agenda with little regard to whom it is that they serve. Strategists and speech writers are refinements that a self serving kind of government uses to help to perpetuate it's exsistence through this subtle disception.
BTW, my post not say you donated large sums of money to the VA, It said you spend a large portion of your charitable effort there. Charitable effort is anything you contribute to the benefit of others. More important than any cash contribution is your effort of time. No amount of monetary donations substitute for this. While we are at odds at this moment, do know that I truly appreciate the contribution both you and your wife make to this end. It sickens me that our Federal government and it's current two party system dismally fails to correctly support our VA. Instead both parties seemingly choose to make the VA some politcal leverage point. At this time, it is citizens like ourselves who make up the difference between what is needed and what is done in benefit to our veterans in need. Fact is we the people know better and move farther to this end than any government committee could ever do. Thanks for your efforts in that regard!
If giving makes me a liberal then so be it.
SchmidtMotorWorks wrote:If giving makes me a liberal then so be it.
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We all know we should give to charity, but who really does? Approximately three-quarters of Americans give their time and money to various charities, churches, and causes; the other quarter of the population does not. Why has America split into two nations: givers and non-givers? Arthur Brooks, a top scholar of economics and public policy, has spent years researching this trend, and even he was surprised by what he found. In Who Really Cares, he demonstrates conclusively that conservatives really are compassionate-far more compassionate than their liberal foes. Strong families, church attendance, earned income (as opposed to state-subsidized income), and the belief that individuals, not government, offer the best solution to social ills-all of these factors determine how likely one is to give. Charity matters--not just to the givers and to the recipients, but to the nation as a whole. It is crucial to our prosperity, happiness, health, and our ability to govern ourselves as a free people. In Who Really Cares, Brooks outlines strategies for expanding the ranks of givers, for the good of all Americans.
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