So...... who's going to be the next President???

[af2]

Very good post!!!!!!!

[rce4csh]

Maybe this is why they are called America's Greatest Generation! Enjoy!


This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizations and causes all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now. He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president.



Dear President Obama,
...
My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor , allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can't figure out what country you are the president of.
You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:
" We're no longer a Christian nation"
" America is arrogant" - (Your wife even
announced to the world," America is mean-
spirited. " Please tell her to try preaching
that nonsense to 23 generations of our
war dead buried all over the globe who
died for no other reason than to free a
whole lot of strangers from tyranny and
hopelessness.)
I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said," America hasn't lived up to her ideals."

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue . You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts , who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.
You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now.
And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle...

Sincerely,
Harold B. Estes

[avengerengines]

I like to start the day with a good laugh.

[johnretired]

I like to start the day with a good laugh.

YOU are an insult to all veterans, parents and voters of this country.
I'm done here.
You deserve what is coming to your business.

[avengerengines]

I like to start the day with a good laugh.

YOU are an insult to all veterans, parents and voters of this country.
I'm done here.
You deserve what is coming to your business.

Actually, My wife and I deliver things to the VA hospital often. I donate to Big Brother and Big Sisters and help others as much as I can. I hire school kids in their senior year as a coop to give them extra credits. You know nothing about me. I respect how people vote as long as it's their choice. It's comical to listen to right wing extremists. You can't have an opinion unless it's something they approve. I think most of the country is in the middle and if you want an intelligent discussion, they're the ones to talk to. Show me a republican candidate worth voting for and I'll back him.

[SchmidtMotorWorks]

It's comical to listen to right wing extremists. You can't have an opinion unless it's something they approve.

Can you list some

right wing extremists

views that I or anyone else has presented here?

Is it

right wing extremist

to ask you to provide some reason for the opinions you have?

So far you haven't been able to present any reasons to support your opinion so we can only conclude that you hold those opinions without reason.

When someone appears to have opinions without reason then insults others for having the opposing views (for which they can provide reasons to hold) don't be surprised if they are seen as irrational.

[avengerengines]

Wow.

[Cogburn]

An engine builder(or any businessman) voting for a democrat is a lot like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

Not that Colonel Sanders wouldn't provide support for a lot of chickens....

The national democrat party wants to totally do away with internal combustion engines.

Just that alone with no other issues should be enough to make anyone in this business vote against Democrats.

[rce4csh]

It is very amusing Avenger Sir that you are apparently labeling me as a "Right Wing Extremist", when in complete fact, you know absolutely nothing about me! You don't know what I do, how I serve this country, how I in fact vote, or any other bit of real info by which you could make any resonably intelligent judgement about me as person. It is very ironic that a man with such demonstrated abilities in technical discernment would choose to so carelessly apply such a degrading label in generalization. A highly inaccurate label I might add.
What is blatantly apparent in this thread's discourse is an apparent difficulty and/or a willing reluctance on your part to participate in any conversation beyond just providing flippant and negatively charged comment to what is posted. I have yet to see any real effort on your part to provide any substantive detail to your positions so that others like myself can gain some insight to your perspective on things. Clearly Sir, you must be of above average intelligence in some regard or you would be unable to produce the product that you do. You certainly must be discerning enough to study factual data to evaulate results to a defined performance level or your dyno work would be of little net use. I would be willing to bet that some honest and open conversation regarding specific political topics would provide some very interesting and detailed perspective by you as to what or what does not work to acheive an outcome of national benefit.
In your post previous you remind us that we too know very little about you. Well comparatively that also is true. You boast that you and your wife spend an apparently large amount of your charitable effort in support of your local VA hospital. Ironically, so do I. In fact, there are many others on this forum who also do the like. As a group it would seem that most here believe that the efforts put forth by our nation's veterans are highly prized and their continued well being is of great mutual concern. With that understood, I do wonder why it is you so quickly move to be deflamatory to the others here, whom while they may differ in their choice of vote, are in fact more aligned with important core values than first appears. In your responses might it be possible be you are merely playing with us in an effort to simply irritate? If so then that is your choice and the collective here will understand this and move forward appropriately. No one here has ever asked you to forsake your strongheld beliefs in order to win favor. However, you've been asked politely to be a bit less degrading to others in respect to theirs. The opportunity for advanced political discussion is dependent opon mutual respect regardless of how difficult this may prove to be.
This now my second request to you in consideration to others who participate here. I am hopeful you will not take this as serious offense but rather that you frame your further input so that we might all have some meaningful discussion of important national issues and furthermore gain something of value from your perspective that we can do something with.

[avengerengines]

It is very amusing Avenger Sir that you are apparently labeling me as a "Right Wing Extremist", when in complete fact, you know absolutely nothing about me! You don't know what I do, how I serve this country, how I in fact vote, or any other bit of real info by which you could make any resonably intelligent judgement about me as person. It is very ironic that a man with such demonstrated abilities in technical discernment would choose to so carelessly apply such a degrading label in generalization. A highly inaccurate label I might add.
What is blatantly apparent in this thread's discourse is an apparent difficulty and/or a willing reluctance on your part to participate in any conversation beyond just providing flippant and negatively charged comment to what is posted. I have yet to see any real effort on your part to provide any substantive detail to your positions so that others like myself can gain some insight to your perspective on things. Clearly Sir, you must be of above average intelligence in some regard or you would be unable to produce the product that you do. You certainly must be discerning enough to study factual data to evaulate results to a defined performance level or your dyno work would be of little net use. I would be willing to bet that some honest and open conversation regarding specific political topics would provide some very interesting and detailed perspective by you as to what or what does not work to acheive an outcome of national benefit.
In your post previous you remind us that we too know very little about you. Well comparatively that also is true. You boast that you and your wife spend an apparently large amount of your charitable effort in support of your local VA hospital. Ironically, so do I. In fact, there are many others on this forum who also do the like. As a group it would seem that most here believe that the efforts put forth by our nation's veterans are highly prized and their continued well being is of great mutual concern. With that understood, I do wonder why it is you so quickly move to be deflamatory to the others here, whom while they may differ in their choice of vote, are in fact more aligned with important core values than first appears. In your responses might it be possible be you are merely playing with us in an effort to simply irritate? If so then that is your choice and the collective here will understand this and move forward appropriately. No one here has ever asked you to forsake your strongheld beliefs in order to win favor. However, you've been asked politely to be a bit less degrading to others in respect to theirs. The opportunity for advanced political discussion is dependent opon mutual respect regardless of how difficult this may prove to be.
This now my second request to you in consideration to others who participate here. I am hopeful you will not take this as serious offense but rather that you frame your further input so that we might all have some meaningful discussion of important national issues and furthermore gain something of value from your perspective that we can do something with.

I never said you were a right wing extremest. You saw those words and associated them with yourself. I don't give large sums of money to the VA. You said that, no me. You twist everything around to suit you. There are some here that I don't agree with on politics and they hammer me when I say something. It is what it is. Just an opinion. Other tan a bunch of false statements, what's the point of all your rambling? I'm fed up with the two party system. They only do whats right for their party. I would be thrilled if they all ran as independents and without speech writers and "stratigists".

[rce4csh]

Avenger you are right about the two party system in place right now! We would be much better off if things are as you said, devoid of speech writers and strategists. Too bad there isn't some kind of dyno of sorts we could use to definitely measure political claims against actual results. I sure our politicians would be very unhappy with the results of that kind of testing and would be more readily voted out.
Unfortunately, multiple decades of being registered independent accomplished nothing with my efforts in the form of important changes like reducing the size of government. A long rethink of my how my energy was spent resulted in some limited realignment to a party whereby I could work from within and effect positive change. This has been well rewarded at a local level and I am hopeful that this momentum can be pushed forward to the national scene. No matter what the FED tells you, it is easy to see that any effective change in government always begins at the county level and typically with your own county commissioners. By and large my limited political alignment is still an experiment and it seems to be working so I am going to continue with it. There is no denying your general point that government has grown so that it is it's own special interest group now. As such, it seeks to sustain it's own growth and it's own agenda with little regard to whom it is that they serve. Strategists and speech writers are refinements that a self serving kind of government uses to help to perpetuate it's exsistence through this subtle disception.
BTW, my post not say you donated large sums of money to the VA, It said you spend a large portion of your charitable effort there. Charitable effort is anything you contribute to the benefit of others. More important than any cash contribution is your effort of time. No amount of monetary donations substitute for this. While we are at odds at this moment, do know that I truly appreciate the contribution both you and your wife make to this end. It sickens me that our Federal government and it's current two party system dismally fails to correctly support our VA. Instead both parties seemingly choose to make the VA some politcal leverage point. At this time, it is citizens like ourselves who make up the difference between what is needed and what is done in benefit to our veterans in need. Fact is we the people know better and move farther to this end than any government committee could ever do. Thanks for your efforts in that regard!

[SchmidtMotorWorks]

The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched.

http://leftistpuke.com/?p=46

[avengerengines]

Avenger you are right about the two party system in place right now! We would be much better off if things are as you said, devoid of speech writers and strategists. Too bad there isn't some kind of dyno of sorts we could use to definitely measure political claims against actual results. I sure our politicians would be very unhappy with the results of that kind of testing and would be more readily voted out.
Unfortunately, multiple decades of being registered independent accomplished nothing with my efforts in the form of important changes like reducing the size of government. A long rethink of my how my energy was spent resulted in some limited realignment to a party whereby I could work from within and effect positive change. This has been well rewarded at a local level and I am hopeful that this momentum can be pushed forward to the national scene. No matter what the FED tells you, it is easy to see that any effective change in government always begins at the county level and typically with your own county commissioners. By and large my limited political alignment is still an experiment and it seems to be working so I am going to continue with it. There is no denying your general point that government has grown so that it is it's own special interest group now. As such, it seeks to sustain it's own growth and it's own agenda with little regard to whom it is that they serve. Strategists and speech writers are refinements that a self serving kind of government uses to help to perpetuate it's exsistence through this subtle disception.
BTW, my post not say you donated large sums of money to the VA, It said you spend a large portion of your charitable effort there. Charitable effort is anything you contribute to the benefit of others. More important than any cash contribution is your effort of time. No amount of monetary donations substitute for this. While we are at odds at this moment, do know that I truly appreciate the contribution both you and your wife make to this end. It sickens me that our Federal government and it's current two party system dismally fails to correctly support our VA. Instead both parties seemingly choose to make the VA some politcal leverage point. At this time, it is citizens like ourselves who make up the difference between what is needed and what is done in benefit to our veterans in need. Fact is we the people know better and move farther to this end than any government committee could ever do. Thanks for your efforts in that regard!

I appreciate you honesty and I respect your opinion. Getting back to the VA. I think everyone should go there at least once. Those guys are in bad shape and gave everything and are not getting much in their time of need. I don't like war, but when we get in it, we should do more for the vets. Most people have no idea what they have sacrificed. I don't give them money directly. My wife does a lot more than I do since she works near the VA. We get donations anywhere we can. Those vets have absolutely nothing. Last week she took them bundles of socks. They get all my old car magazines. You should see them light up. Those were car guys at one time. It's sad to see them like that. I suggested that the government take some of the forclosed vacant homes that they're sitting on and make them available to vets at a very low cost. Nothing ever came from that, but I still think we should do more. If we all could see how they have to live, I think donations would be way up. Not money, just everyday things. If giving makes me a liberal then so be it. I prefer to be in the middle.
Bob

[SchmidtMotorWorks]

If giving makes me a liberal then so be it.

Read Who Really Cares

We all know we should give to charity, but who really does? Approximately three-quarters of Americans give their time and money to various charities, churches, and causes; the other quarter of the population does not. Why has America split into two nations: givers and non-givers? Arthur Brooks, a top scholar of economics and public policy, has spent years researching this trend, and even he was surprised by what he found. In Who Really Cares, he demonstrates conclusively that conservatives really are compassionate-far more compassionate than their liberal foes. Strong families, church attendance, earned income (as opposed to state-subsidized income), and the belief that individuals, not government, offer the best solution to social ills-all of these factors determine how likely one is to give. Charity matters--not just to the givers and to the recipients, but to the nation as a whole. It is crucial to our prosperity, happiness, health, and our ability to govern ourselves as a free people. In Who Really Cares, Brooks outlines strategies for expanding the ranks of givers, for the good of all Americans.

http://www.amazon.com/Who-Really-Cares- ... 0465008216

[avengerengines]

If giving makes me a liberal then so be it.

Read Who Really Cares

We all know we should give to charity, but who really does? Approximately three-quarters of Americans give their time and money to various charities, churches, and causes; the other quarter of the population does not. Why has America split into two nations: givers and non-givers? Arthur Brooks, a top scholar of economics and public policy, has spent years researching this trend, and even he was surprised by what he found. In Who Really Cares, he demonstrates conclusively that conservatives really are compassionate-far more compassionate than their liberal foes. Strong families, church attendance, earned income (as opposed to state-subsidized income), and the belief that individuals, not government, offer the best solution to social ills-all of these factors determine how likely one is to give. Charity matters--not just to the givers and to the recipients, but to the nation as a whole. It is crucial to our prosperity, happiness, health, and our ability to govern ourselves as a free people. In Who Really Cares, Brooks outlines strategies for expanding the ranks of givers, for the good of all Americans.

http://www.amazon.com/Who-Really-Cares- ... 0465008216

I don't share your conservative views and I don't believe much of what I read in books. I certainly don't believe conservatives are more compassionate than liberals. Some want to help and some don't. It has nothing to do with party preference. It's just someones opinion. You do make some good points. I never donate money to charities, except the Big Brothers. Very little of that money goes to the actual cause. I prefer to give direct to the one in need so they get 100%. Donating isn't just about giving money. I try not to let myself get mad, but I do when the subject is vets. Encourage people to go to the VA. They will leave with a whole new outlook on life.
Bob