From Big Brother to Big Mother

[CamKing]

Actually, my only beef with abortions is that our government is involved,promoting, and funding them.
Like I said before, stay the he!! away from my kids, and I'll stay away from yours.
Don't tell them what they can, and can not eat. Don't drive them to the clinic, and tell them abortion is an acceptable option.
It's not your flucking job, and you're not qualified.

That works fine for me. no kidding.

I have very strong personal views on abortion, but I understand that they are MY views.
I don't want my views forced on you, and I don't want your views forced on me, or my tax dollars funding your views.

[SchmidtMotorWorks]

except if someone's considering an abortion, then you'd prefer the government step in and stop it. Right?

Yes, of course, I oppose murder.
Can you tell me at what moment in time between conception and cutting the cord that abortion becomes murder?

Until you can do that, it is all murder and of course then we must oppose it.

[dieselgeek]

except if someone's considering an abortion, then you'd prefer the government step in and stop it. Right?

Yes, of course, I oppose murder.
Can you tell me at what moment in time between conception and cutting the cord that abortion becomes murder?

Until you can do that, it is all murder and of course then we must oppose it.

find another pair of nuts to swing from Jon - I'm working today, lol

[SchmidtMotorWorks]

find another pair of nuts to swing from Jon - I'm working today, lol

Sorry never heard that phrase, I'll take that as an admission that you can't say where the dividing lines is between abortion and murder so you really have no grounds upon which to criticize anyones views on abortion since you can't even define your own.

You do oppose murder right?

[Brian S]

I try to stay out of the abortion debate because nothing is ever settled on this type of forum. Ultimately the law has decided it's a woman's choice so what I think will not matter.

As far as how to raise our children, I don't want to live in a Nanny State and don't know how "It Takes a Village to Raise a Child" sold a single copy. These liberal first ladies are always self procaimed experts at something other than their law degrees. The attitude that we can't leave important decisions up to the parents is so Totalitarian that carried to the extreme we will some day require aptitude testing and licensing to legally conceive a child.

I mean, we can't leave an important decision like that to parents can we? What if two people aren't smart enough to raise it properly? Says the plight of the self righteous.

[David Redszus]

Can you tell me at what moment in time between conception and cutting the cord that abortion becomes murder?

Sure, that's easy. Life begins at birth, not at conception. Therefore, murder begins after birth. Prior to birth the fetus is merely an appendage of the mother over which she has an absolute right. Abortion is simply none of the states business.

Next?

[SchmidtMotorWorks]

Sure, that's easy. Life begins at birth, not at conception. Therefore, murder begins after birth. Prior to birth the fetus is merely an appendage of the mother over which she has an absolute right. Abortion is simply none of the states business.

Thanks for answering that, at least you have the courage top do it.

I'm curious though, two questions:

1. Do you mean to say that you would have no problem with an abortion done to a baby one minute before what otherwise would have been a normal healthy birth where the baby could be removed alive with less trauma than dead?

2. If someone kills a pregnant woman about to give birth and the baby also dies, is that one murder or two?

[pdq67]

Big mama's just trying to build a legacy just like ol' whore-hey is trying to doctor one up now!

Ol' "Slick" will be known as the "Monica Man" forever, you know the man that changed the name of a [Blank Post]!

pdq67

[David Redszus]

After viewing the panoramic view of the First Lady, I have two observations.

One, Clydesdals are truly dumb animals with low standards.

Two, I'm beginning to feel a bit sorry for Obama. Maybe he should start interviewing interns along with Bill Clinton.

[johnretired]

Sure, that's easy. Life begins at birth, not at conception. Therefore, murder begins after birth. Prior to birth the fetus is merely an appendage of the mother over which she has an absolute right. Abortion is simply none of the states business.

Thanks for answering that, at least you have the courage top do it.

I'm curious though, two questions:

1. Do you mean to say that you would have no problem with an abortion done to a baby one minute before what otherwise would have been a normal healthy birth where the baby could be removed alive with less trauma than dead?

2. If someone kills a pregnant woman about to give birth and the baby also dies, is that one murder or two?

Most, if not all states consider it two murders! Figure that out.

[SchmidtMotorWorks]

Most, if not all states consider it two murders! Figure that out.

Yep, so the law is arbitrary, it doesn't stand up to even the most basic scrutiny on this subject.

I find it remarkable how strongly people support abortion "rights" but can't even define a boundary between abortion and murder that they will actually stand by when confronted with the reality of what they say. Maybe it is because most people see births so rarely, they don't realize what they are saying. It's easy to type it while sitting at a computer, but I find it hard to believe that any decent person wouldn't do all they could to stop the murder of a baby as it is 1/2 way out.

[Brian S]

...I'm beginning to feel a bit sorry for Obama.

You know how women often say black is slimming? Well, it's not.
Al Bundy had it right. "It's not the dress that makes you look fat, it's the FAT that makes you look fat."

[David Redszus]

I find it remarkable how strongly people support abortion "rights" but can't even define a boundary between abortion and murder that they will actually stand by when confronted with the reality of what they say. Maybe it is because most people see births so rarely, they don't realize what they are saying. It's easy to type it while sitting at a computer, but I find it hard to believe that any decent person wouldn't do all they could to stop the murder of a baby as it is 1/2 way out.

I find it easy to support abortion rights. The attempt by some to link abortion to murder is nonsensical.

As a society we tolerate murder each and every day. We hire young men and train them in the craft of murder. And then justify their behaviour as a political necessity.

Every year we murder innocent men who have been wrongly convicted of a crime. Oops, we say, that is simply unavoidable and must be tolerated.

There is a very large difference between life and quality of life. An unwanted child will be made to suffer for its entire life. It may well end up under-educated, anti-social, criminal in attitude and behaviour and end up in prison. A baby born with an incurable illness is also made to suffer for its entire life. Why would anyone condemn a child to a lifelong of suffering? Would you be willing to trade places? Most likely, not.

Anti-abortionists should eagerly volunteer to pay for and raise those unwanted childern and not dump them on society while assuming a holier than thou attitude.

[DOHCPower]

I am all for a womans right to choose. Having said that, I think in order for something to be "murdered" it must be concious/sentinent or at least have the ability to be. Fetus' don't even begin to develop their central nervous system until week 23-24 typically, so the capacity for suffering does not even exist yet for the fetus. I don't believe its "murder" if the fetus cannott even feel pain. Of course, the picture gets a little murkier when you apply this reasoning to a brain injury victim in a coma, though I believe it still stands since the coma patient at least has the capability to experience suffering.

Schmidt brings up some valid points & questions. I believe it is a just law that if someone murders a woman who is pregnant it counts as 2 murders. Only because with the way the legal system is set up, criminals tend to get off easy as it is, and if you're scum enough to murder a pregnant woman, whether or not you knew she was with child, that second strike will help net a longer sentence against you.

[DOHCPower]

Brian S. seems to have an axe to grind in regards to the First Ladies weight. We all get it, you think she's fat.