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Trump Signs Executive Order Concerning Healthcare

Post by Ken0069 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:05 pm

The old saying goes; "Lead, follow or get the f**k out of the way!" This applies to that do nothing piece of shit Congress we have!

Trump Signs Executive Order Concerning Healthcare
Oct 12, 2017 12:17 PM

BOOM!! And the #NEVERTRUMP f...ing M0R0NS heads explode again!

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President Donald Trump has signed an executive order that allows for the creation of "Health Associations" that allow people to come together to buy lower-priced and competitive insurance plans across state lines.

Standing alongside Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who worked with Trump to write the order, along with VP Mike Pence and several small business owners, Trump said that Obamacare had been "rammed" through, and that it has not worked as planned. Trump noted that one out of three counties in the United States have only one insurance option, which is essentially the same as having no choices at all.

"This will cost the United States government virtually nothing, and people will have great, great healthcare," said Trump.

Trump stated that the formation of associations would create new opportunities for employers to buy plans for their employees, and would result in more options for people who currently do not have insurance. He said that these changes are aimed at creating lower prices and increasing competition, and that insurance companies would be "fighting" to lower prices to get more people signed up.

"It should have been done a long time ago, and it could have been done a long time ago," lamented Trump.

Trump then brought up two small business owners from Louisiana, who used to use association plans for their employees, yet they could no longer afford those plans after the passage of Obamacare. He said that he hopes that this executive order is able to make these options an affordable reality once again.

In addition to the health association plans, Trump said that he will explore the expansion of "short-term limited duration insurance," which are plans that are not subject to Obamacare's expensive regulations. Previously, these plans were only available to last for three months, but Trump seeks to expand these types of inexpensive plans and make them more widely available. He has also tasked various secretaries to look into "Health Reimbursement Accounts" that would assist small business owners in reimbursing their employees for healthcare expenses.

After speaking, Trump nearly left the room without actually signing the order, and turned around once reminded by Pence. The order was then signed.
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Re: Trump Signs Executive Order Concerning Healthcare

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:06 pm

Good for President Trump. IMHO this is a good move and in the long run will be beneficial to the people.

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Post by Firedome8 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:12 pm

I am sure it's that easy,

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Post by mk e » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:13 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:06 pm
Good for President Trump. IMHO this is a good move and in the long run will be beneficial to the people.
These types of plans were outlawed because most states had big problems with them.....but maybe this time around the result will be different.
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Post by engineczar » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:15 pm

I just wish they would have done it through Congress. Being an Executive actions means it can be rescinded up the road. Of course the problem is that Congress is pretty useless right now.

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Re: Trump Signs Executive Order Concerning Healthcare

Post by mk e » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:20 pm

engineczar wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:15 pm
I just wish they would have done it through Congress. Being an Executive actions means it can be rescinded up the road. Of course the problem is that Congress is pretty useless right now.
And will be challenged in court.

But the bigger issue is this is not new, its an idea tbatf was tried 40 years ago and banned because it didn't work, so I'm unclear on why people think it will work better now?

It seems more designed to intentionally cause harm than fix anything.
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Post by David Redszus » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:19 pm

I just wish they would have done it through Congress. Being an Executive actions means it can be rescinded up the road. Of course the problem is that Congress is pretty useless right now.
As an executive order, it can be changed at any time as necessary to fine tune emerging details.
No need for a lazy congress to get off their collective dead asses. But of course they will as they see their power being removed from their grasps.
And will be challenged in court.
Which specific aspect of Trump's order can be challenged in court and on what basis. Obama got away with illegal orders for many years. Remember the courts will rapidly be changing away from leftist liberal to conservative moderate; not good news for the Democraps.
But the bigger issue is this is not new, its an idea tbatf was tried 40 years ago and banned because it didn't work, so I'm unclear on why people think it will work better now?
Which idea was tried 40 years ago? I was around back then and I certainly do not remember any program like the one proposed.
It seems more designed to intentionally cause harm than fix anything.
Who will be harmed by lower costs, more competition and the freedom of choice provided to the American people?

Only the bureaucrats now feeding at the public trough.

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Post by F-BIRD'88 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:48 pm

Would it not be better for the end user (the insured person) for the "Health association" to be independent from the "employment association" or at least for the insured end user person to (ALSO) have a choice
of going with what the employer's "health association" plan offers or going with that equal (wage portion) money to a free insurance market to buy the Best health insurance for that person from any where in the nation.
That way the health insurance "association" is not limited by the employer's perception of what is best.
And the end user insured person does not loose his "health association" by trading to a different "employment association" (gets a different job). Who is best to choose your best health plan? You or your employer?
Now you have (more) choice.

it is good to see that at least there is some movement in addressing a limitation of the Obamacare pan rules.
It may help some people.

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Post by David Redszus » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:02 pm

That way the health insurance "association" is not limited by the employer's perception of what is best.
And the end user insured person does not loose his "health association" by trading to a different "employment association" (gets a different job).
Even easier would be to separate health insurance from the employer. By allowing each person to purchase (and pay for) their own insurance they would have total freedom of choice. That includes the choice to be self-insured as very many wealthy people are.

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Re: Trump Signs Executive Order Concerning Healthcare

Post by F-BIRD'88 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:28 pm

Wealthy people and how or if they are insured or capable of being "self insured" is no the problem.
The problem in America is the situation of poor people and or people with poor health
showing up at hospitals ER (without insurance) to get treated and end up with a good outcome.

When you have lots of money in America you don't have this problem.

Most people in America do not have tons of money. Or a lot of choices.

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Re: Trump Signs Executive Order Concerning Healthcare

Post by engineczar » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:31 pm

David Redszus wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:19 pm
I just wish they would have done it through Congress. Being an Executive actions means it can be rescinded up the road. Of course the problem is that Congress is pretty useless right now.
As an executive order, it can be changed at any time as necessary to fine tune emerging details.
That's my concern. If the Democrats get control of the White House again you can pretty much guarantee any EO's put in place by Trump will be rescinded regardless of whether or not they're working. Just out of spite if for no other reason.

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Re: Trump Signs Executive Order Concerning Healthcare

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:37 pm

mk e wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:20 pm
engineczar wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:15 pm
I just wish they would have done it through Congress. Being an Executive actions means it can be rescinded up the road. Of course the problem is that Congress is pretty useless right now.
And will be challenged in court.
I am sure the lawyers and judges in Hawaii got an early wake up call this morning.

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Post by David Redszus » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:43 pm

The problem in America is the situation of poor people and or people with poor health
showing up at hospitals ER (without insurance) to get treated and end up with a good outcome.
Part of the problem is poor people. If the economic climate were improved, they could afford their own health insurance. If we did not have all the health care regulations and red tape, the cost of health care would come down a lot and actually become affordable. Two doctor friends of mine are ready to give up their practice and go sailing because of the horrific malpractice insurance premiums they pay. What do members of Congress and their staffs pay for health care?

Why do US citizens have to fund the health care of illegal immigrants? Why do employers?

Hospitals often get tax breaks for the care of indigent patients. Why is it better for everyone else to have to pay excessive amounts to cover those who do not work? Get a job. Oh, I forgot. First you have to go to school. #-o

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Re: Trump Signs Executive Order Concerning Healthcare

Post by F-BIRD'88 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:50 pm

The trouble is you have two camps of interest that do not have equal representation in Congress.
"Healthcare" and "Wealthcare".

You are right one of the MAJOR problems is you have a very Fractured Convoluted confusing system.
With no standard as to the overall expected goal.
Many competing unrelated related interests not really related to the end goal of "Healthcare of a Nation"
It is (VERY) politicized.
in America, "the economic climate" is measured by how well the richer people and corps are doing.
Not how well the poorer majority are doing. Why not separate health outcome from economics of th whole and of the individual. Create (more ) real personal "freedom" in America by isolating Health from Wealth.

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Post by David Redszus » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:16 am

in America, "the economic climate" is measured by how well the richer people and corps are doing.
Well of course. What economic climate is there without rich people? We are the rich people and we worked our asses off to get that way.
Not how well the poorer majority are doing.
Why are poor people poor? It's not the fault of those who study hard and work hard in order to succeed.
Why not separate health outcome from economics of th whole and of the individual.
That would be foolish and totally wrong. The outcome is the result of real work and effort of the individual; not from some government.
Create (more ) real personal "freedom" in America by isolating Health from Wealth.
Freedom ain't free. It must be earned and then defended. Health and wealth are and always have been closely linked. This is as it should be. It can't work any other way and actually hasn't.

Get the government out of the swamp and our health care will improve; fewer critters and bugs.

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