Special counsel Robert Mueller....

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby mk e » Thu May 18, 2017 2:51 pm

1989TransAm wrote:"as if it may be a criminal investigation"

In other words there is no evidence that there was anything criminal wrong doing but we have to approach it from that direction. Yeah right.


I'm sure you know that is untrue....they fully expect to find criminal wrong doing because Flynn has admitted to doing things that are illegal. He worked as a foriegn agent and did not have prior written consent from the defense department which is crinal act. He has also stopped cooperating wiht the sen investigations.....he's in some trouble.
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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby Ratu » Thu May 18, 2017 3:05 pm

Quoting mk e, "Most of the laws on this stuff include intent of some sort which is very difficult to prove."

Plainly mk e does not know what he is on about. Either that or we are facing here an example of the willfully dishonest.

The espionage legislation specifically relevant and directly applicable to the Emeritus Secretary Clinton situation does not demand proof of intent. The test of mens rea is not required to establish a successful prosecution, nor is it demanded. That is, it is not required to prove intent or state of mind. The relevant law is quite clear. The test to consider here is actus reus. That is a test of an act, omission or state of affairs. The questions relate to, did it happen or did it exist etc. The fact that it did is all that needs be demonstrated. Forget about state of mind or intent.

Quoting mk e again, "Awful but lawful is the extression (sic) I've heard used."

The people stating such an expression in relation to this particular matter have either failed to read the law or, if they have read it, then they are telling lies about it. In the latter case we see an excellent example of a guilty mind demonstrating intent to deceive, mens rea if you will. In the first case we have a situation which may demonstrate intent to deceive but may be merely the passing on of erroneous information which has not been checked by that person actually reading the law. Hence there is a possibility that there was no guilty mind demonstrating intent to deceive for this first case. In both cases though, the expressed opinion is false. The actual state of affairs for both is that they assert a wrong- here think on actus reus; establishing the act or situation rather than establishing state of mind.

In conclusion, mk e does not know what he is on about (and this not for the first time). When it comes to matters of law, never, ever rely upon the opinions of a bush lawyer. Doing that would be akin to relying upon fake news. Check things out for yourself first.

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby sanfordandson » Thu May 18, 2017 4:28 pm

Ratu wrote:Quoting mk e, "Most of the laws on this stuff include intent of some sort which is very difficult to prove."

Plainly mk e does not know what he is on about. Either that or we are facing here an example of the willfully dishonest.

The espionage legislation specifically relevant and directly applicable to the Emeritus Secretary Clinton situation does not demand proof of intent. The test of mens rea is not required to establish a successful prosecution, nor is it demanded. That is, it is not required to prove intent or state of mind. The relevant law is quite clear. The test to consider here is actus reus. That is a test of an act, omission or state of affairs. The questions relate to, did it happen or did it exist etc. The fact that it did is all that needs be demonstrated. Forget about state of mind or intent.

Quoting mk e again, "Awful but lawful is the extression (sic) I've heard used."

The people stating such an expression in relation to this particular matter have either failed to read the law or, if they have read it, then they are telling lies about it. In the latter case we see an excellent example of a guilty mind demonstrating intent to deceive, mens rea if you will. In the first case we have a situation which may demonstrate intent to deceive but may be merely the passing on of erroneous information which has not been checked by that person actually reading the law. Hence there is a possibility that there was no guilty mind demonstrating intent to deceive for this first case. In both cases though, the expressed opinion is false. The actual state of affairs for both is that they assert a wrong- here think on actus reus; establishing the act or situation rather than establishing state of mind.

In conclusion, mk e does not know what he is on about (and this not for the first time). When it comes to matters of law, never, ever rely upon the opinions of a bush lawyer. Doing that would be akin to relying upon fake news. Check things out for yourself first.

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby 1989TransAm » Thu May 18, 2017 5:04 pm

Did your mother let you out of the basement? You will notice there is not thoughtful a reply to the subject but just a snide remark.

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby 1989TransAm » Thu May 18, 2017 10:22 pm

Dianne Feinstein was on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer and here is part of the conversation. I love this part. :mrgreen: "There are all kinds of rumors around. there are newspaper stories, but that’s not necessarily evidence"

"On Thursday’s broadcast of CNN’s “Situation Room,” Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) stated that she has not seen any evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation is the one that “would bring forward solid evidence on which you could base a criminal case and indict someone.”

Anchor Wolf Blitzer asked, “The last time we spoke, Senator, I asked you if you had actually seen evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and you said to me — and I’m quoting you know — you said, ‘Not at this time.’ Has anything changed since we spoke last?”

Feinstein answered, “Well, not — no, it hasn’t. So, I would depend on this investigation that we’re talking about, that would bring forward any criminal activity, and, of course, has the right and the ability to charge people, select targets, look at them, bring about an indictment. And so, it’s a very big investigation, and I think somebody that’s as sophisticated as Bob Mueller is really the one to carry it out and see that it does not go awry, it does not overeach, but it’s what it should be.”

Blitzer followed up, “[S]o far, you have not seen any evidence of collusion, is that right?”

Feinstein responded, “Well, evidence that would establish that there’s collusion. There are all kinds of rumors around. there are newspaper stories, but that’s not necessarily evidence. And so, you’ve got the Intelligence Committee looking at it, and you will have the Mueller investigation going on, and it’s the Mueller investigation that would bring forward solid evidence on which you could base a criminal case and indict someone.”

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby exhaustgases » Fri May 19, 2017 12:53 am

mk e wrote:
1989TransAm wrote:Where is the evidence that we need a Special Counsel?


Rump fired the lead investigator....that buys you a special counsel to finish the investigation.

He may very well find nothing illegal occurred and that will be that.....but more likely is Flynn and Manager will both face charges of some sort



Rump fired a liar, so then anything the liar says is a lie ! His name was so fitting to. Commy!

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby mk e » Fri May 19, 2017 6:16 am

1989TransAm wrote:Dianne Feinstein was on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer and here is part of the conversation. I love this part. :mrgreen: "There are all kinds of rumors around. there are newspaper stories, but that’s not necessarily evidence"


That's exactly right. Lots of Russian money and contacts surrounding people in the campaign but so far no direct evidence of collusion has come out. Normally the way it goes is first they charge the lower level stuff and then see what deals pop up for reducing the charges or jail time. They are working on Flynn and maybe more importantly Manafort at the moment....give it time
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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby 1989TransAm » Fri May 19, 2017 11:00 am

mk e wrote:
1989TransAm wrote:Dianne Feinstein was on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer and here is part of the conversation. I love this part. :mrgreen: "There are all kinds of rumors around. there are newspaper stories, but that’s not necessarily evidence"


That's exactly right. Lots of Russian money and contacts surrounding people in the campaign but so far no direct evidence of collusion has come out. Normally the way it goes is first they charge the lower level stuff and then see what deals pop up for reducing the charges or jail time. They are working on Flynn and maybe more importantly Manafort at the moment....give it time


Dream on. :D So basically you are down to Flynn and Manafort as your best hope.

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby mk e » Fri May 19, 2017 12:03 pm

1989TransAm wrote:So basically you are down to Flynn and Manafort as your best hope.


That was always where this was headed as far as any hope at a colussion charge. I'm sure lot of other fun facts will pop up along the way though.
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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby sanfordandson » Fri May 19, 2017 1:12 pm

1989TransAm wrote:You will notice there is not thoughtful a reply to the subject but just a snide remark.


Teapot meet kettle! :lol: #-o

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby 1989TransAm » Fri May 19, 2017 4:27 pm

In regards to Hillary and intent would not having a private server in her bathroom be intent? Not that intent is needed.

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby exhaustgases » Fri May 19, 2017 5:03 pm

mk e wrote:
1989TransAm wrote:Dianne Feinstein was on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer and here is part of the conversation. I love this part. :mrgreen: "There are all kinds of rumors around. there are newspaper stories, but that’s not necessarily evidence"


That's exactly right. Lots of Russian money and contacts surrounding people in the campaign but so far no direct evidence of collusion has come out. Normally the way it goes is first they charge the lower level stuff and then see what deals pop up for reducing the charges or jail time. They are working on Flynn and maybe more importantly Manafort at the moment....give it time


And you are so correct, only the wrong bunch, its the Hilarry uranium deal where the money is, and who knows maybe she's still working with them, to cause this mess?

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby sanfordandson » Fri May 19, 2017 6:18 pm

exhaustgases wrote:And you are so correct, only the wrong bunch, its the Hilarry uranium deal where the money is, and who knows maybe she's still working with them, to cause this mess?


Trump is 100% at fault for his own mess.

His words, his actions.

he needs to be the man he's trying to pretend he is and take responsibility.

But he wont... #-o

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Re: Special counsel Robert Mueller....

Postby 1989TransAm » Fri May 19, 2017 7:33 pm

Responsibility about what?


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