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Postby 73c34me » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:54 am

Greetings,
Anyone have knowledge on the bolt on OD unit that came on volvos 740 model. Supposedly this a gear vendor type unit with a different adaptor plate. I would love to retrofit one to my Muncie. Replacing the Muncie for an od transmission is not an option at this point. Also, Gear vendors units are quite speedy. Thnx. Jim
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Re: O.D. Bolt on to Muncie. (Gear vendors type)

Postby PackardV8 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:40 pm

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IIRC, the Volvo made approx 200 lbs/ft of torque in a 3000# car. You're going to hit that overdrive with what?
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Re: O.D. Bolt on to Muncie. (Gear vendors type)

Postby 73c34me » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:45 pm

Torque rating is a good point. I was mistaken and thought that the Volvo used a stronger type with their turbo model. Thnx. Jim
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Re: O.D. Bolt on to Muncie. (Gear vendors type)

Postby pdq67 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:04 pm

Can you adapt a B/W 3-speed stick T85 OD to a Muncie?

I am pretty sure they were used behind some, "healthy", 390 Fords back about 1963/'64 or so.

OR, if I had the money, onna these!!

"Learn about Legend Gear & Transmission's LGT-700

http://legendgt.com/Products/lgt-700/
The LGT-700 Transmission is made in the USA, Ultra Compact, Big Torque, Fully Synchronized, and High-Revving 5-Speed Overdrive Manual Transmission."

I think the, "700" means that it's good to 700T!

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Postby PackardV8 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:03 pm

What is your application and your budget?
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Re: O.D. Bolt on to Muncie. (Gear vendors type)

Postby 73c34me » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:33 pm

73 corvette. Auto gear loaded Muncie. I was hoping to put together a junkyard sourced od for around $1000.00
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Postby PackardV8 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:06 pm

73c34me wrote:73 corvette. Auto gear loaded Muncie. I was hoping to put together a junkyard sourced od for around $1000.00


Too bad. I've got a B&J overdrive which would be perfect for a pickup, even have TH350 and 400 adapters. It would not fit a Corvette.

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Postby 73c34me » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:54 pm

I have a hot rod mag from the 70s where they installed this on a street rod. How much floor clearancing would be required?
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Re: O.D. Bolt on to Muncie. (Gear vendors type)

Postby MadBill » Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:04 pm

How about this unit: http://hone-o-drive.com/ When I ordered my '70 1/2 Z28, I specced the 4.10 axle (actually, I wanted the 4.88, but it wasn't available after '69), as I intended to fit one. ($287.00 in May 1970) Didn't happen; 46 years later, still turning 4,000 RPM @ 70 MPH. Coulda paid for it about ten times over with the fuel savings alone... #-o
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Re: O.D. Bolt on to Muncie. (Gear vendors type)

Postby pdq67 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:09 pm

I have to apologize to Auto Gear, (they know me), because I have beat them over the head for NOT making a real 5-speed Muncie tranny.

And I would offer my BSME skills for free to help them to do it. Maybe even $50,000..

They have been very fair with my mouthing so I will stop.

But if I could get my hands on a set of M-20 Muncie tranny engineering blue prints I would be all over this..

And as for the still-born, 1969 Cougar Eliminator 2-speed rear end, I would go with bringing it back from the dead!

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Re: O.D. Bolt on to Muncie. (Gear vendors type)

Postby 73c34me » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:53 pm

Cool I didn't know they were still producing product. Need one to mount to the transmission. I think I am going to get another differential w/ 3.08:1 ring & pinion & try it. My current one is loaded with good parts &expensive, So I hate to. Street use i usually start in 2nd gear anyway.

bquote="MadBill"]How about this unit: http://hone-o-drive.com/ When I ordered my '70 1/2 Z28, I specced the 4.10 axle (actuality lly, I wanted the 4.88, but it wasn't available after '69), as I intended to fit one. ($287.00 in May 1970) Didn't happen; 46 years later, still turning 4,000 RPM @ 70 MPH. Coulda paid for it about ten times over with the fuel savings alone... #-o[/quote]
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Postby PackardV8 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:13 am

73c34me wrote:Cool I didn't know they were still producing product. Need one to mount to the transmission. I think I am going to get another differential w/ 3.08:1 ring & pinion & try it. My current one is loaded with good parts &expensive, So I hate to. Street use i usually start in 2nd gear anyway.

bquote="MadBill"]How about this unit: http://hone-o-drive.com/ When I ordered my '70 1/2 Z28, I specced the 4.10 axle (actuality lly, I wanted the 4.88, but it wasn't available after '69), as I intended to fit one. ($287.00 in May 1970) Didn't happen; 46 years later, still turning 4,000 RPM @ 70 MPH. Coulda paid for it about ten times over with the fuel savings alone... #-o
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AFAIK, Hone hasn't made any units for more than forty years.

In addition to the B&J overdrive unit, I've got one of Tom Beatty's original units which put a Borg-Warner R11 overdrive unit on the back of a T10 4-speed. This was do-able because the T10 evolved from the T85 3-speed, which was always available with overdrive. At present, it's using a long-tailshaft Ford unit, but for a 'Vette, I'd build it with a Studebaker truck short housing and fixed yoke OD tailshaft.
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Re: O.D. Bolt on to Muncie. (Gear vendors type)

Postby 73c34me » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:20 am

Is this doable on a Muncie, or just the ford transmission? I am not familiar with studbaker parts. Thnx.
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Re: O.D. Bolt on to Muncie. (Gear vendors type)

Postby MadBill » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:32 pm

PackardV8 wrote:..AFAIK, Hone hasn't made any units for more than forty years.....


Maybe their web site is older than it looks. Either that or they're selling vaporware...:-k
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Re: O.D. Bolt on to Muncie. (Gear vendors type)

Postby PackardV8 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:29 pm

MadBill wrote:
PackardV8 wrote:..AFAIK, Hone hasn't made any units for more than forty years.....


Maybe their web site is older than it looks. Either that or they're selling vaporware...:-k


What Happened to the Hone-O-Drive™? The original Hone Manufacturing Co., and its successors from the 1960’s were ultimately dissolved in the early 80‘s Hone-O-Drive™ – Back to the Future - The founders of the new Hone Manufacturing Co., were fortunate enough to locate and acquire a new unused and uninstalled (NOS) Hone-O-Drive™ unit manufactured by Fred Hone and his original Hone Manufacturing Co. They set about re-engineering the Hone-O-Drive™ unit, securing qualified component manufacturers and suppliers, and forming the company structure to once again offer the fantastic Hone-O-Drvie™ overdrive transmission system to hot rod, muscle car and drag race enthusiast throughout the world.


Well ain''t that interesting. I did say 'As Far As I Know", but it would seem they're back in business, but only with the units which bolt directly to the Ford 9". So pdq67 gets his wish.

Is this doable on a Muncie, or just the ford transmission? I am not familiar with studbaker parts. Thnx.


Chevrolet did the engineering to convert the Borg-Warner T85 3-speed to the 4-speed T10, thus had a four-year exclusive. It was used with the Chevrolet pattern case from '57-64 or so. Studebaker used the Chevrolet case '61-mid '62 and then changed to the Ford case. Ford used the T10 '62-66. So there are many options, but the Muncie probably isn't one.
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