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NHRA new Pro Stock format....

Post by 427dart » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:45 am

Just plain crazy now that racers can use ANY engine in ANY brand body. Why don't they just kill it and get it over with!

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427dart wrote:
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Just plain crazy now that racers can use ANY engine in ANY brand body. Why don't they just kill it and get it over with!
Wasn't aware of this but it's not surprising since funny car has had a similar rule for a long, long time now. And yes, this new rule killed it for me!
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Post by Ken0069 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:50 am

Did some reading online on this last night and from what I gather, none of the other manufacturers can or will produce an engine that can compete with the Big Block Chevy in Pro Stock. The past 6 championships have been won with Chevy power.

Seems also that Phord wants to get a Mustang in the field but it seems they don't want to do the necessary R&D to produce a competitive engine??

Ennywho, next thing you know they'll stop giving out time slips or win lights and be giving out "Participation Trophies" to all the teams!!

Just another step in the wussification of America IMHO!! :roll:
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Post by lefty o » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:16 pm

Ken0069 wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:50 am
Did some reading online on this last night and from what I gather, none of the other manufacturers can or will produce an engine that can compete with the Big Block Chevy in Pro Stock. The past 6 championships have been won with Chevy power.

Seems also that Phord wants to get a Mustang in the field but it seems they don't want to do the necessary R&D to produce a competitive engine??

Ennywho, next thing you know they'll stop giving out time slips or win lights and be giving out "Participation Trophies" to all the teams!!

Just another step in the wussification of America IMHO!! :roll:
pretty much. lost me with fuel injection and no hood scoops. after so many years you dont just change it.

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Post by Walter R. Malik » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:58 pm

In my opinion .... they trashed the wrong Pro Stock when they got rid of Pro Stock truck.

The NHRA should have then made the cars run using those rules.
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Post by 427dart » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:34 pm

Ken0069 wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:50 am
Did some reading online on this last night and from what I gather, none of the other manufacturers can or will produce an engine that can compete with the Big Block Chevy in Pro Stock. The past 6 championships have been won with Chevy power.

Seems also that Phord wants to get a Mustang in the field but it seems they don't want to do the necessary R&D to produce a competitive engine??

Ennywho, next thing you know they'll stop giving out time slips or win lights and be giving out "Participation Trophies" to all the teams!!

Just another step in the wussification of America IMHO!! :roll:
No surprise there as Chevy has been riding in the NHRA back pocket for years! Remember those days when the Chrysler Hemi cars had to run more weight than the Chevys!!!

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Post by SupStk » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:12 am

427dart wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:34 pm
Ken0069 wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:50 am
Did some reading online on this last night and from what I gather, none of the other manufacturers can or will produce an engine that can compete with the Big Block Chevy in Pro Stock. The past 6 championships have been won with Chevy power.

Seems also that Phord wants to get a Mustang in the field but it seems they don't want to do the necessary R&D to produce a competitive engine??

Ennywho, next thing you know they'll stop giving out time slips or win lights and be giving out "Participation Trophies" to all the teams!!

Just another step in the wussification of America IMHO!! :roll:
No surprise there as Chevy has been riding in the NHRA back pocket for years! Remember those days when the Chrysler Hemi cars had to run more weight than the Chevys!!!
And the SBF had to carry more than all of them.
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Post by Alan Roehrich » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:16 am

Currently, it has nothing to do with weight breaks,or who is the current "official vehicle of NHRA".

Simple facts, neither Ford, nor Chrysler, has been willing to spend any money, or work with anyone, to build a competitive Pro Stock cylinder head. Most often, anyone who was foolish enough to race for either of them was screwed over by them. Say what you will, but those two have been screwing their racers for decades, especially in drag racing. Chevrolet has been willing to spend money on a cylinder head and a block, when the other two simply won't. And anyone who can write the check can buy the Chevrolet parts.

The problem now is that, if it doesn't have a blower, run nitromethane, or nitrous, NHRA doesn't give a damn about promoting it. They care about Top Fuel, Funny Car, the alcohol classes, and Pro Mod. The rest of us are simply time fillers, and cash cows.

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Post by 427dart » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:03 am

I'm sure Ford and Chrysler would be in the thick of Pro Stock today had NHRA kept the class relavent to what is being built today engine wise.
Such as Ford with their current 4 valve 5.2 engines and Dodge with their Hemi.
Other than a manufacture's decal the cars don't relate to anything which is why the loss of spectators!

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Post by Alan Roehrich » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:06 pm

Everyone talks about Pro Stock being "relevant" to current production. Doesn't wash. In the early eighties, when NHRA went to 500 cubic inches and 2350#, half the production cars in the U.S. weren't even V8 powered. Most of those weren't even 350 cubic inches. The switch to EFI was already happening. Yet 500 cubic inches and carburetors worked well, Pro stock was healthy.

Then, two years ago, they decided EFI would make it "relevant" and revive it. Wrong again. Removing hood scoops didn't help, either.

"Relevance" is just another excuse. NASCAR isn't "relevant" either, by those standards.

Plain simple fact, relatively small aftermarket companies can and do produce new cylinder heads and blocks, some from a near clean sheet of paper. Ford and Chrysler don't want to.

Honestly, given the current state of Pro Stock, I don't blame Ford or Chrysler, Pro Stock offers little in the form of ROI. But just man up and tell the truth about it, rather than make lame excuses.

As far was "weight break Pro Stock" goes, it was dying because of the weight breaks, NHRA hated it, the manufacturers didn't really like it, and the racers struggled with it. Those are facts. Further, Pro Stock was a the off spring of Super Stock match racing where some of the cylinder head and induction systems from Modified classes are adapted to Super Stock based engines, which were not necessarily production based bore or stroke combinations. And NHRA has long separated hemi heads, canted valve heads, and true wedge heads, either into separate classes, or at least separate weight breaks. They still do, Super Stock Modified classes and in Comp. So there were always going to be weight breaks, hemi heads and canted valve heads were always going to carry more weight. NHRA didn't do too great a job policing the class, either.

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Post by 427dart » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:20 pm

Well when I mentioned relevant I was talking about the 1970 period were they were like the production cars.

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Post by BigBlocksOnTop2 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:24 pm

Prostock is disgusting. It's all over except for the funeral. Was my favorite motor sport.

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Post by Ken0069 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:55 pm

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Prostock is disgusting. It's all over except for the funeral. Was my favorite motor sport.
Yup, that's about the only class in NHRA I used to care about watching also. RIP NHRA Pro Stock! :(
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Post by Bos's5.0 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:37 am

I'm with 427Dart on every point he made.

I'm a manufacturer first, driver second kind of person. I used to watch Nascar but they are so far from anything related to the brand they represent that it's not worth it to even care about what they are doing.

I can't imagine being Ford and even contemplating building a competitive motor for a class that is/has become unpopular and gets far less attention than the Fuel cars. Like flushing money down the toilet.

That, and the older I get the more I realize how stupid brand loyalty really is.

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Post by MichaelThompson » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:48 pm

Alan Roehrich wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:16 am
Currently, it has nothing to do with weight breaks,or who is the current "official vehicle of NHRA".

Simple facts, neither Ford, nor Chrysler, has been willing to spend any money, or work with anyone, to build a competitive Pro Stock cylinder head. Most often, anyone who was foolish enough to race for either of them was screwed over by them. Say what you will, but those two have been screwing their racers for decades, especially in drag racing. Chevrolet has been willing to spend money on a cylinder head and a block, when the other two simply won't. And anyone who can write the check can buy the Chevrolet parts.

The problem now is that, if it doesn't have a blower, run nitromethane, or nitrous, NHRA doesn't give a damn about promoting it. They care about Top Fuel, Funny Car, the alcohol classes, and Pro Mod. The rest of us are simply time fillers, and cash cows.
Allen I respectfully disagree with this in a certain way. Ford spent a ton of money with John Force Racing and the Medlen Project.

When it came time to do their own motor the NHRA pretty much snubbed them.

That was the beginning of the end for Ford in Funny Car.

The NHRA don't want anything but spec cars and personalities they can promote for their "show".

My opinion of course.

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