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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by randy331 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:53 am

moparjohan wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:39 am


I`m thinking more duration same lift :wink:

The simple explanation to why I don´t want more lift is because Ive never seen a #302 head flow over .500" lift

Johan
I understand the theory, but in practice more rocker has helped almost everything I've put it on and hurt the power of none of them, even when the port didn't flow up at that lift.

Our EMC engine with a 1.8 rocker was short of the lift limit. Going to a 1.85 rocker was 50 points. That was about a .018" increase in lift.

I'd bet a 236-240 ish duration on a 106 LSA MH type lobes with enough rocker to get it to .600" would put score on your engine.

But,..I'm not a Mopar guy so I could be wrong. :D

I like your cubic inch choice for this years rules.

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by moparjohan » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:20 am

randy331 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:53 am
moparjohan wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:39 am


I`m thinking more duration same lift :wink:

The simple explanation to why I don´t want more lift is because Ive never seen a #302 head flow over .500" lift

Johan
I understand the theory, but in practice more rocker has helped almost everything I've put it on and hurt the power of none of them, even when the port didn't flow up at that lift.

Our EMC engine with a 1.8 rocker was short of the lift limit. Going to a 1.85 rocker was 50 points. That was about a .018" increase in lift.

I'd bet a 236-240 ish duration on a 106 LSA MH type lobes with enough rocker to get it to .600" would put score on your engine.

But,..I'm not a Mopar guy so I could be wrong. :D

I like your cubic inch choice for this years rules.

Randy
You are probably not wrong, Im trying to test something completely new here (for me anyway) :wink:
the problem is that I dont know of any LA rockers with more than 1.6 ratio, so the only way for me to get more lift is true a different lobe
(like the exhaust) but I dont think that would be favorable.
I would love to test a higher rocker ratio though.

Johan

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Walter R. Malik » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:36 am

moparjohan wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:20 am
randy331 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:53 am
moparjohan wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:39 am


I`m thinking more duration same lift :wink:

The simple explanation to why I don´t want more lift is because Ive never seen a #302 head flow over .500" lift

Johan
I understand the theory, but in practice more rocker has helped almost everything I've put it on and hurt the power of none of them, even when the port didn't flow up at that lift.

Our EMC engine with a 1.8 rocker was short of the lift limit. Going to a 1.85 rocker was 50 points. That was about a .018" increase in lift.

I'd bet a 236-240 ish duration on a 106 LSA MH type lobes with enough rocker to get it to .600" would put score on your engine.

But,..I'm not a Mopar guy so I could be wrong. :D

I like your cubic inch choice for this years rules.

Randy
You are probably not wrong, Im trying to test something completely new here (for me anyway) :wink:
the problem is that I dont know of any LA rockers with more than 1.6 ratio, so the only way for me to get more lift is true a different lobe
(like the exhaust) but I dont think that would be favorable.
I would love to test a higher rocker ratio though.

Johan
Just for information here ...
I have had Harland Sharp make some 1.66/1 rockers for an "LA" but, they were custom and not in any catalog.
Randy Becker Jr. at Harland Sharp will do whatever he can to get you what you want ... I wanted 1.7/1 but, 1.66/1 was all I could get without back-setting the shaft and Harland Sharp does make shaft mounts and shafts to do just that for using longer valves or to get even more rocker ratio with an "LA".
You can get catalog 1.7/1 rocker arms for a stud MAGNUM head, though. That is what we had on Adney's engine a few years ago.
EQ offers a MAGNUM head with the "LA" intake bolt pattern.
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by gmrocket » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:05 am

Rick360 wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:16 am
TheSwed wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:23 am
Hi Marcus here. I would just like to say that we had an EPIC!! time at engine masters. And especially thanks to team Creason. What a great bunch of pepole, I hope didn`t kill Ricks mod for bbq forever after my tour in maybe not the best area of Lima :wink:
And all you others
Adney Brown,Gene Adams/Smithberg, Jon Kaase, and all the others that I certainly forgotten you guys rock.
I think Johan will come on here and say the same.
This has been a dream come true.

Thanks from Marcus Team LRE.
That was Randy, not me, that you took on the scenic bbq tour of Lima. lol

We had a great time there at EMC and visiting with the LRE team. Lot's of great people and interesting engines. Jon Kaase stands out as an incredibly smart man yet so humble. Nice induction system from Nick Smithberg. My hats off to Adger and RJ for a great job too.

Thanks to all,
Rick
well done you guys! hope we dont have to wait months for all the details&pics

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Walter R. Malik » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:42 pm

For me ...............
It is sad to see this yearly competition end. :(
However, I am not sad to see that Hot Rod Magazine will not coordinate it anymore and continue to hurt it.

Oh, this ambivalence. ](*,)
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by 1989TransAm » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:58 pm

Walter R. Malik wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:42 pm
For me ...............
It is sad to see this yearly competition end. :(
However, I am not sad to see that Hot Rod Magazine will not coordinate it anymore and continue to hurt it.

Oh, this ambivalence. ](*,)
So Walter, who is taking over the coordination etc. ?

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Walter R. Malik » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:53 pm

1989TransAm wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:58 pm
Walter R. Malik wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:42 pm
For me ...............
It is sad to see this yearly competition end. :(
However, I am not sad to see that Hot Rod Magazine will not coordinate it anymore and continue to hurt it.

Oh, this ambivalence. ](*,)
So Walter, who is taking over the coordination etc. ?
As of now, there is no future EMC contest ... it is in the wind for some entity to come along and bite that bullet.
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by 1989TransAm » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:06 pm

WOW! I did not know that. This will give legs to the new contest that people are trying to get started.

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by exhaustgases » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:46 pm

Walter R. Malik wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:53 pm
1989TransAm wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:58 pm
Walter R. Malik wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:42 pm
For me ...............
It is sad to see this yearly competition end. :(
However, I am not sad to see that Hot Rod Magazine will not coordinate it anymore and continue to hurt it.

Oh, this ambivalence. ](*,)
So Walter, who is taking over the coordination etc. ?
As of now, there is no future EMC contest ... it is in the wind for some entity to come along and bite that bullet.
Good riddance. Too many idiot rules and an event that was soooo miss named. Only one engine design type allowed. No innovation allowed, well many a few small examples.

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Walter R. Malik » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:41 pm

exhaustgases wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:46 pm


Good riddance. Too many idiot rules and an event that was soooo miss named. Only one engine design type allowed. No innovation allowed, well many a few small examples.
Everyone is certainly entitled to have their own opinion.

There definitely were many, MANY people who looked forward to that competition every year;
A lot more than were ever going to be in it.

Misnamed ... probably because, simply the name did not define the extent of that contest.
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Carroll » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:42 pm

I guess you have to be there to understand. Hate to see it go. Joe C

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by kid7755 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:48 am

Carroll wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:42 pm
I guess you have to be there to understand. Hate to see it go. Joe C
Man. I learned so much from all you guys. I did the best I could do building in my man cave. Gotta credit all involved. My entries were built by all that competed in our family. My entries were not my entries. They were OUR entries. So glad to have shot the shit with you guys. Gonna miss it

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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Barry_R » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:37 am

I have yet to that it is finished from anybody.

I did that a couple key groups wanted out.

I also heard that a couple key groups wanted it continued.

I am certain that discussions are being had outside of the internet...
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by Walter R. Malik » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:05 pm

Barry_R wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:37 am
I have yet to that it is finished from anybody.

I did that a couple key groups wanted out.

I also heard that a couple key groups wanted it continued.

I am certain that discussions are being had outside of the internet...
There was talk at the competition this year from sponsors and a lot people searching for someone or some entity to take over the coordination and keep it going. [-o<

I certainly can't imagine that concern has all gone by the wayside in just a few short weeks. :-k
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by PackardV8 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:04 pm

So now that the Engine Masters quarterly magazine is no longer, where and when will we get the details of all the builds?
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