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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by SMITHBERGRACING » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:00 pm

Adger, that may be a problem for us. Most of our crew gets in late Sunday or Early Monday. Our plans were around 1st on Tuesday. Will do the best we can.

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Post by Walter R. Malik » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:52 pm

Really ...? I can see a lot of thought went into this ... NOT.
Nick ... it probably becomes a fiasco for everyone involved with a time change, sooner.

Now the schedule changes to make my engines the first to run in the morning on TWO of the days.
I had to get there early for the very first engine to run last year , also.

It is their sandbox but, this is a real crock.
My other team members have plans because of their Tuesday work schedules and motel reservations to not even be there until late morning on Wednesday.

This just shows absolutely no regard for the contestants remaining and for what time frame any teams have already made some irreversible plans, based upon the original schedule, which now means nothing..

Par for the course, I guess.
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Re: 2017 Engine Masters ???

Post by perfcrank » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:06 am

I know exactly how you feel Ted , the only one to make any money on this deal has been Fedex and UPS .. I had to have backup plans in place .. I didnt have main bearings til the 15th , one camshaft company promised 2 day service and that turned into 2 weeks with very little remorse .. So when 2 days became a week and a half I ordered 2 more cams from 2 different companies to be sure I would have one to run .. the rocker arm company put bigger pushrod seats in the rockers and moved them in for more ratio so I had no idea what length pushrods to get and had to guess so I would have a starting point, but of course without a cam and lifters (I did mention that I got that on tuesday , of this week ) you cant tell what lengths to get , then the intakes were to short so next day a set intakes .......and that is only half of the normal EMC stress I have had this week ... But I am very thankful I have a running engine , provided I dont blow it up today for a few more tests ............

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Post by Barry_R » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:08 am

My second cam seems to have lived through the break in process and a couple dozen pulls.
This stick is a real classic piece straight out of the Comp Cams catalog - straight pattern "Magnum"!
"COMP Cams Magnum ... camshafts are specifically designed for the street enthusiast looking for more power and that Pro Street sound."

Running somebody else's entry last night and a bit today.

Going to really miss the Eaton entry

New schedule adds either a hotel night or an extra round trip (5-6 hours) to my adventure
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Post by Adger Smith » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:29 am

Barry, You were supposed to be there that day (Wed.) for Pre Tech and Carting of your engine.
Had you planned on skipping that?
Your engine had to be on the dyno over night Wednesday night because you were first on Thursday by the old schedule.
Now you are all on Wednesday. Carting and Pre Tech and Running.
I really don't see your extra travel or hotel expense.
With all your testing and work You must be too tired to think that through.
Glad you got it done and will be there.

It is the same situation for the Adams/Smithberg entry except they went from First Tuesday to late Monday.
They would have had to hang on the dyno overnight Monday night, too
now they will be Carted, Pre Tech and run on Monday.
Same situation for Joe Griffin of Griffin Motorsports. He moved from first on Wed to later on Tuesday.
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Post by Walter R. Malik » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:02 am

Adger Smith wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:29 am
Barry, You were supposed to be there that day (Wed.) for Pre Tech and Carting of your engine.
Had you planned on skipping that?
Your engine had to be on the dyno over night Wednesday night because you were first on Thursday by the old schedule.
Now you are all on Wednesday. Carting and Pre Tech and Running.
I really don't see your extra travel or hotel expense.
With all your testing and work You must be too tired to think that through.
Glad you got it done and will be there.

It is the same situation for the Adams/Smithberg entry except they went from First Tuesday to late Monday.
They would have had to hang on the dyno overnight Monday night, too
now they will be Carted, Pre Tech and run on Monday.
Same situation for Joe Griffin of Griffin Motorsports. He moved from first on Wed to later on Tuesday.
Adger, what you and others there don't seem to realize, is that only the team leaders needed to be there ahead of time.
The rest of the team members did not need to be there and already worked their own schedules to comply ... that planning means nothing anymore.
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Post by atp_andrewp » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:50 am

I am part of the Adams/Smithberg team. We have 4 people flying in from California on Sunday. And a sponsor who was flying in Monday night to watch it run on Tuesday morning who is now having to change everything. It already felt rushed to be flying in Sunday to get there Monday and get our engine carted, reassemble what had to be disassembled for crating. Make sure nothing is damaged or broken from shipping and be ready for Tuesday. But now Nick and his dad will be trying to do all of that on Sunday while the rest of us hopefully get in on time. On top of that I leave tomorrow morning at 3am California time, drive an hour and half, fly 6, layover for 3 fly 1.5 hrs and then drive over 2 hrs again to get to the hotel at hopefully 9-10pm Ohio time...hopefully, which is pretty much the only way to affordable get to Lima, but it's an exhausting trip to say the least. Then be there first thing the next morning to thrash and make sure it's perfect to then run that day? It's just a real bummer to be faced with that after months of already thrashing like crazy. Layering on another aspect of stress that really isn't deserved or expected. Having that night before we run was going to be a good time to relax, reset and think clearly about our plan while in the dyno, having that night of downtime is huge, but not anymore.

At this point it would at least seem better to ask if there are people more able to fill the early positions instead of just shifting them. I understand all this is not intentional, and I am sure you are in a tough position with this no matter how it's broken down, but it is definitely very inconveinent for us and at this point we have no options to change anything, we just have to hope we get there in enough time to make it all happen.

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Post by Barry_R » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:35 pm

Adger Smith wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:29 am
Barry, You were supposed to be there that day (Wed.) for Pre Tech and Carting of your engine.
Had you planned on skipping that?
Your engine had to be on the dyno over night Wednesday night because you were first on Thursday by the old schedule.
Now you are all on Wednesday. Carting and Pre Tech and Running.
I really don't see your extra travel or hotel expense.
With all your testing and work You must be too tired to think that through.
Glad you got it done and will be there.

It is the same situation for the Adams/Smithberg entry except they went from First Tuesday to late Monday.
They would have had to hang on the dyno overnight Monday night, too
now they will be Carted, Pre Tech and run on Monday.
Same situation for Joe Griffin of Griffin Motorsports. He moved from first on Wed to later on Tuesday.
I was planning on driving in Wednesday A.M. - no big deal at all being just a few hours away. I just assumed that the "24 hours rule" was still applicable and that my engine now needed to be on site Tuesday afternoon.

Might be better off having it there a day early either way.

Is there anything I or the other folks that are closer can do to help the Smithberg/Adams schedule? Their deal is a lot harder to flex.
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Post by Adger Smith » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:35 pm

We are reverting to the original schedule. Disregard the new scedule that was posted. There will be a hole in the schedule where Ted Eaton pulled out.
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Post by Adger Smith » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:09 pm

Sorry it took so long to correct, but I couldn't get the Bosses to respond. I figured it was going to cause problems when I was told to do it. RJ & I are now on site in Lima to start the Pre Tech.
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Post by kid7755 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:24 pm

Maybe the bosses will realize one day that Adger and RJ should run that show

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Post by RAMM » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:15 pm

Sure am missing the excitement this year. Too bad about that rocker rule in Traditional Muscle as I have a perfectly eligible 360 Mopar with Edelbrock RPM heads ready to go. I wish everyone good luck at this years EMC--I pray that the coverage is far better than last year for those of us watching from afar. J.Rob
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Post by SMITHBERGRACING » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:51 pm

My father and I hauled ass to Lima today not knowing of the change today. We just arrived after a 12 hour drive straight through! Would like to personally thank Adger and Randy for letting us back where we originally were. We have folks from all over the country to watch and be apart of our crew (sponsors as well) from California, Nebraska, and from Georgia. Again thank you for working with us, we all greatly appreciate it.

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Post by kid7755 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:56 pm

Cool. Welcome to Ohio Nick! Just so you know it was like 90 degrees before you got here. Thank you very little. :lol:

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Post by Walter R. Malik » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:26 pm

kid7755 wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:24 pm
Maybe the bosses will realize one day that Adger and RJ should run that show
Something like that would certainly be a welcome change ...
ENGINE BUILDING people making those final days decisions on any changes which affect every entry would seem more sensible.
Those who have competed somewhere, actually experienced and know what the builders must go through to be able to get respectable engines there in a competitive condition.

Now, for about 6 hours sleep to be there tomorrow morning.


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