EMC 2015 Rules

[Walter R. Malik]

Mark, Of all people you should know---- Wesleyism rule # 2 The rules are written in Black and White. There is no Grey! LOL!
All jokes aside, overall I am going to be tougher on the SFI and the parts purchase trail. You might need to bring invoices where you bought your parts. That is Esp. true for some classes.

BUY...?
What about gifts with no invoice what-so-ever...?
OR, SFI and other parts which are 15 or so years old...?

Just the way I like it ... if it ain't written, it ain't so. Punctuation is also very important to any sentence structure and its overall meaning.
NO making up things on the fly or discussions about what was actually meant. (After all ... these are 'journalists" in charge of these rules and they above all people should know the written language necessities).
I think I might need to bring a 6th grade ENGLISH LANGUAGE text book.

[900HP]

Mark, Of all people you should know---- Wesleyism rule # 2 The rules are written in Black and White. There is no Grey! LOL!
All jokes aside, overall I am going to be tougher on the SFI and the parts purchase trail. You might need to bring invoices where you bought your parts. That is Esp. true for some classes.

BUY...?
What about gifts with no invoice what-so-ever...?
OR, SFI and other parts which are 15 or so years old...?

Just the way I like it ... if it ain't written, it ain't so. Punctuation is also very important to any sentence structure and its overall meaning.
NO making up things on the fly or discussions about what was actually meant. (After all ... these are 'journalists" in charge of these rules and they above all people should know the written language necessities).
I think I might need to bring a 6th grade ENGLISH LANGUAGE text book.

The rule starts with a capital and ends with a period!

[900HP]

Enforcing the rules is a whole other can of worms. "must use Comp lifters". Have you ever seen a "Comp" lifter with an actual part number on it? You could run any lifter you wanted and show the receipt for a similar "Comp" lifter and there isn't any part number to prove otherwise. Dumb rule #1

You should never make rules you can't enforce.

I retract this statement. I forgot that Comp stamps a little part number in the oil band area. It's been a while since I used any of their crap. (not that you couldn't print a good lifter with that part number)

[1989TransAm]

Ultra secret picture of Jon kaase's entry for the 2015 EMC. Looks like it is still in the development stage and a early Ford V8 to fit in with the vintage V8 class.

[Walter R. Malik]

You should never make rules you can't enforce.

I forgot that Comp stamps a little part number in the oil band area. It's been a while since I used any of their crap. (not that you couldn't print a good lifter with that part number)

No number on the .875" diameter Ford Comp Cams Hydraulic Lifters which I have here ... which I got around 1994 in a full tray.

That is exactly what I am talking about .... there are NO parts age limits written anywhere within this rules package.

However, if you run a 20 year old camshaft, you might not be very competitive.

[Walter R. Malik]

I guess they saw some error in their ways as the rod journal diameter requirement for the "spec small block" class just changed to now allow a 2.000" minimum diameter rod throw.

This "after" I have got a couple hundred dollars already invested in having a welded stroker crank made.

[Barry_R]

UPDATE: I just got an email saying there is no application deadline. They will be accepting applications up until a week before the competition. Good for me. Now we have time to toss some ideas around. Might even be there this year again without my now illegal SBC that would require a completely new build.

I thought we were still supposed to get an "accepted entries" list by the 30th?

[Barry_R]

You should never make rules you can't enforce.

I forgot that Comp stamps a little part number in the oil band area. It's been a while since I used any of their crap. (not that you couldn't print a good lifter with that part number)

No number on the .875" diameter Ford Comp Cams Hydraulic Lifters which I have here ... which I got around 1994 in a full tray.

That is exactly what I am talking about .... there are NO parts age limits written anywhere within this rules package.

However, if you run a 20 year old camshaft, you might not be very competitive.

Morel has no numbers on the lifters. None. Should I save and bring the container?

[JonKaase]

Where did you see the rule change for the crank size?

[Unkl Ian]

Is this it ?

"CRANKSHAFT
Any commercially available forged or cast steel or cast iron crankshaft permitted.
Billet crankshafts prohibited. Crankshaft must retain production rod and main journal
diameter for claimed engine with maximum tolerance of 0.035” under standard
production journal diameters allowed."

https://image.adam.automotive.com/f/101 ... 015_5_.pdf

I don't see a recent revision date.

[Walter R. Malik]

Where did you see the rule change for the crank size?

It was emailed to me, Jon. Maybe because I entered that class.

small block spec class
304 - CRANKSHAFTS
Any available forged or cast steel or cast iron crankshaft permitted. Billet crankshafts prohibited. Minimum rod journal specification of 2.000-inch with a maximum tolerance of .035" under the 2.000-inch specification allowed.

[Walter R. Malik]

You should never make rules you can't enforce.

I forgot that Comp stamps a little part number in the oil band area. It's been a while since I used any of their crap. (not that you couldn't print a good lifter with that part number)

No number on the .875" diameter Ford Comp Cams Hydraulic Lifters which I have here ... which I got around 1994 in a full tray.

That is exactly what I am talking about .... there are NO parts age limits written anywhere within this rules package.

However, if you run a 20 year old camshaft, you might not be very competitive.

Morel has no numbers on the lifters. None. Should I save and bring the container?

I don't think your class has a "spec" allowable lifter, Barry.

[Barry_R]

Problem there is I don't know if I "have a class" yet.
( I know that I don't have any class - that was predetermined a long time ago...)

With the most recent email communication that the entries would be open until the week before the contest, they also mentioned that the most popular categories were vintage and big block. With only +/-8 possible slots it would sure feel better if I knew that I had a green light to move forward. It'd really stink to be number "nine" after tossing 20 grand down the rabbit hole on a radical engine.

[Walter R. Malik]

Problem there is I don't know if I "have a class" yet.
( I know that I don't have any class - that was predetermined a long time ago...)

With the most recent email communication that the entries would be open until the week before the contest, they also mentioned that the most popular categories were vintage and big block. With only +/-8 possible slots it would sure feel better if I knew that I had a green light to move forward. It'd really stink to be number "nine" after tossing 20 grand down the rabbit hole on a radical engine.

I figure, the Big Block class is the only one your FE's are legal to compete, ( I could be wrong), as they have tamed it down a LOT from what they were saying at PRI.
That email did say it is a class where they have gotten the most entries, though.
There are ONLY 6 contestants per class proposed and I was told it has to do with the need for tearing down 10 engines, (2 per day), instead of just 5 total.

[Walter R. Malik]

People...
If you have questions, don't ask them here if you actually expect REAL answers. Getting WRITTEN email communication is all that matters to them when any ruling comes up for debate.

I have sent more than 10 questions into questions@emginemasters.com and have gotten REAL answers to my questions which is all that counts.