Quote Of The Day

[tony schmale]

Thanking Obama for killing Bin Laden is like going into McDonalds and thanking Ronald McDonald for the hamburger. It is the cook that should get the credit, not the clown.

[dfree383]

Nice...

[mike walsh]

Well said and stolen that fast!

[DOHCPower]

I agree on the quote, somewhat. The people who did the real work simply wont get the credit they deserve, but there is 1 real good reason for that. To keep their identities and that of their families under wraps. I do have one question, though...

If we cant thank Obama for signing off on the mission, can we blame Osama Bin Laden for signing off on the 9/11 attacks?

I realize this board is full of Obama-Haters, and their are plenty of good reasons to dislike what hes done as President, but those who refuse to give the man credit for anything are only adding to the partisan split that has crippled our Gov't in recent years. Not trying to be a "rebel-rouser" as Mr. Mike Walsh, has accused me of, just trying to not look at everything so black and white.

[pdq67]

Imho, as far as 9/11 having any affect on our economy, I have a bad gut feeling that it was/and still is a diversion to addle the masses minds to keep them/us/me from really thinking about and understanding just what the powers that are, are doing to the middle class to bring us down so that our country will be a rich/poor system.

pdq67

[Brian S]

If we cant thank Obama for signing off on the mission, can we blame Osama Bin Laden for signing off on the 9/11 attacks?

The military doesn't fight for the president...they fight for all the people of the United States.
You really think that's all Bin Laden did? He simply signed off on the 9/11 attacks?

I realize this board is full of Obama-Haters, and their are plenty of good reasons to dislike what hes done as President, but those who refuse to give the man credit for anything are only adding to the partisan split that has crippled our Gov't in recent years.

Be careful about throwing the hate word around so easily. I'm sure like myself, most of us don't hate the man but we hate what he is doing to our country. I don't know how anyone got the impression he would unite the parties. Obama has never been anything but partisan his whole life. Recently mocking Republicans by suggesting they may want to dig a mote and fill it with alligators to keep Mexicans out of the US is a perfect reminder that he is un-presidential.

Still, I have credited the president for a couple things. BHO deserves as much credit for killing Bin Laden as he gave George Bush for capturing Saddam Hussein. Maybe GWB should have used more "I's" in his announcement.

http://globetribune.info/2011/05/06/geo ... res-video/
"I directed Leon Panetta to make the killing or capture of Bin Laden the top priority...
I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden...
I met repeatedly with with my national security team as we developed more information...
last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden.
At my direction, the US launched a targeted operation..."

[DOHCPower]

The military doesn't fight for the president...they fight for all the people of the United States.
You really think that's all Bin Laden did? He simply signed off on the 9/11 attacks?

One could argue that the 19 pious men that flew planes into the WTC were doing it out of Religious zealoutry, not for OBL. Their last dying words were "allah-ackbar" (sp) , after all. I dont think that all Bin Laden did was sign off on the 9/11 attacks any more than I think that all BHO did was sign a couple of papers and let the military go do it's job. Obviously the men who actually performed the mission deserve the lions share of the credit, but to say that BHO deserves absolutely NO credit for the mission is a little off base, IMO. The final call to proceed WAS ultimately his, after all.

Be careful about throwing the hate word around so easily. I'm sure like myself, most of us don't hate the man but we hate what he is doing to our country. I don't know how anyone got the impression he would unite the parties. Obama has never been anything but partisan his whole life. Recently mocking Republicans by suggesting they may want to dig a mote and fill it with alligators to keep Mexicans out of the US is a perfect reminder that he is un-presidential.

I credit both sides for the partisan split, so you'll get no argument from me there.

http://globetribune.info/2011/05/06/geo ... res-video/
"I directed Leon Panetta to make the killing or capture of Bin Laden the top priority...
I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden...
I met repeatedly with with my national security team as we developed more information...
last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden.
At my direction, the US launched a targeted operation..."

Ultimately the President is responsible, is he not? What about the above statements is false?

Do you know that he didnt make the killing or capture of BL a top priority?
Do you know that he wanst briefed on a possible lead to BL?
Do you know that he didnt meet repeadetly with his national security team?
Whats wrong with him making the decision that there was enough intelligence to act on?
It was on his direction, being the President, he had to sign off on it.

Really, really not trying to stir the pot here. Just trying to get to understand just what it is about this man that has America so polarized at the moment.

[Brian S]

One could argue that the 19 pious men that flew planes into the WTC were doing it out of Religious zealoutry, not for OBL. Their last dying words were "allah-ackbar" (sp) , after all. I dont think that all Bin Laden did was sign off on the 9/11 attacks any more than I think that all BHO did was sign a couple of papers and let the military go do it's job. Obviously the men who actually performed the mission deserve the lions share of the credit, but to say that BHO deserves absolutely NO credit for the mission is a little off base, IMO. The final call to proceed WAS ultimately his, after all.

There's no shortage of religious zealotry in the middle east. I think killing in the name of God has always been their way. Bin Laden convinced them it was what their God wanted. He convinced them to kill thousands of innocent people and it was he who financed the horrendous act.

"allah-ackbar"? Yes, I'm familiar with the term.

What Happened on AA Flight 1561
By Michelle Malkin • May 13, 2011
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/05/13/78346/
"If you listen to the passengers and crew who flew on American Airlines Flight 1561 last weekend, there’s no doubt about what happened on their harrowing trip: A Yemeni man shrieking “Allahu akbar!” at the top of his lungs more than 30 times rushed the cockpit door twice intending to take down the plane and kill everyone on board."

It sounds like your saying even though Obama never gave Bush credit for anything he still deserves credit anyway because he's at the top. Bush even congratulated Obama on the success of the mission immediately afterwards...what more do you want?

I credit both sides for the partisan split, so you'll get no argument from me there.

Both are responsible except I don't recall Bush openly mocking the democrats the way Obama does to republicans. The "mote with gaters" is just the tip of the iceberg. When campaigning for congressional democrats in last years election "We must punish our enemies" to hispanic voters is another classic un-presidential quote that comes to mind.

http://globetribune.info/2011/05/06/geo ... res-video/
"I directed Leon Panetta to make the killing or capture of Bin Laden the top priority...
I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden...
I met repeatedly with with my national security team as we developed more information...
last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden.
At my direction, the US launched a targeted operation..."

What about the above statements is false?

We have no way of knowing what is true or false. My point is with his approval rate dropping into the low 40s, the president used this announcement to give himself a big pat on the back attempting to convince everyone he was largely instrumental to the missions success. It's what narcissists do to make themselves sound great. If you watched the video you should see Bush's announcement about capturing S. Hussein contrasted quite a bit.

[DOHCPower]

There's no shortage of religious zealotry in the middle east. I think killing in the name of God has always been their way. Bin Laden convinced them it was what their God wanted. He convinced them to kill thousands of innocent people and it was he who financed the horrendous act.

Killing in the name of God has been the way of the big 3 religions for as long as they've been around, Islam just seems to be stuck in the dark ages.

It sounds like your saying even though Obama never gave Bush credit for anything he still deserves credit anyway because he's at the top. Bush even congratulated Obama on the success of the mission immediately afterwards...what more do you want?

When did I bring up Bush?

Both are responsible except I don't recall Bush openly mocking the democrats the way Obama does to republicans. The "mote with gaters" is just the tip of the iceberg. When campaigning for congressional democrats in last years election "We must punish our enemies" to hispanic voters is another classic un-presidential quote that comes to mind.

Right, but the partisan split is caused by more than just comments in the media, is it not? Voting strictly on party lines, refusing to find a middle ground, building straw-man arguments out of the others position, etc. all lead to the split. Both parties are equally responsible.

We have no way of knowing what is true or false. My point is with his approval rate dropping into the low 40s, the president used this announcement to give himself a big pat on the back attempting to convince everyone he was largely instrumental to the missions success. It's what narcissists do to make themselves sound great. If you watched the video you should see Bush's announcement about capturing S. Hussein contrasted quite a bit.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who also held the position during the last administration, seems to think Obama deserves some credit for the decision.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/15/gates. ... l?iref=NS1

The point of my original question was not about whether Obama's remark's in reference to the mission were narcissistic or not, the point was to ask why some simply cannot give the man credit for anything positive.

[machine shop tom]

I don't see any real reason for giving him any extra credit for doing nothing more than his job. I do give him "credit" for okaying something that he would have been totally insane not to.........


Heck, Jimmy Carter might have even given HIS ok.

tom

[DOHCPower]

I don't see any real reason for giving him any extra credit for doing nothing more than his job.

But couldn't you say the same thing about the military unit that carried out the operation? Or your neighborhood police officer or fireman? Or your life-saving ER surgeon?

[machine shop tom]

I don't see any real reason for giving him any extra credit for doing nothing more than his job.

But couldn't you say the same thing about the military unit that carried out the operation? Or your neighborhood police officer or fireman? Or your life-saving ER surgeon?

Yes. But then again those you mention are "on the firing line", so to speak. So extra thanks is in order. The one giving the "OK", not so much.

tom

[Brian S]

It sounds like your saying even though Obama never gave Bush credit for anything he still deserves credit anyway because he's at the top. Bush even congratulated Obama on the success of the mission immediately afterwards...what more do you want?

When did I bring up Bush?

I brought up Bush when I said BHO deserves as much credit for killing Bin Laden as he gave George Bush for capturing Saddam Hussein.

You said, "...to say that BHO deserves absolutely NO credit for the mission is a little off base, IMO."

Maybe I took this out of context but the question remains. Does a man who never gives any credit to his predecessor deserve to be given credit for doing the same job.

Right, but the partisan split is caused by more than just comments in the media, is it not? Voting strictly on party lines, refusing to find a middle ground, building straw-man arguments out of the others position, etc. all lead to the split. Both parties are equally responsible.

Unless Congress has a equal number of Ds and Rs in both houses with a President & VP who are loyal to neither party they'll never be equally responsible. An impartial media would be needed as well but all of that's just a fricken pipe dream.

...the point was to ask why some simply cannot give the man credit for anything positive.

I don't know how most military operations are handled so someone else will have to answer for me. Specifically what missions need authorization from the current president? If BHO gave the authorization that was required I can credit him for the approval.....even though the call was a no-brainer IMHO. Biden would have done the same thing and Bin Laden didn't think he was smart enough to be worth killing.

This would have been a better announcement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOIy6QE ... r_embedded

[DOHCPower]

Yes. But then again those you mention are "on the firing line", so to speak. So extra thanks is in order. The one giving the "OK", not so much.
tom

Gotcha. I see your point, but at the same time, this would mean that we would never give any President credit for anything, since he doesnt have a gun pointed at him, because hes only "doing his job", but we will freely criticize to our hearts content.

I brought up Bush when I said BHO deserves as much credit for killing Bin Laden as he gave George Bush for capturing Saddam Hussein.

No argument from me here.

Unless Congress has a equal number of Ds and Rs in both houses with a President & VP who are loyal to neither party they'll never be equally responsible. An impartial media would be needed as well but all of that's just a fricken pipe dream.

Here here.

It seems as though our main disagreement stems from the fact that your position is something along the lines of since BHO doesnt credit Bush for any of the positive outcomes of the invasion of Afghanistan/Iraq, that he should take no credit for anything positive that has come from these occupations since he took office, that all BHO does it put down Bush for his actions while in office, never conceding anything positive. Do I have this more or less correct?

[machine shop tom]

Gotcha. I see your point, but at the same time, this would mean that we would never give any President credit for anything, since he doesnt have a gun pointed at him, because hes only "doing his job", but we will freely criticize to our hearts content.

Ain't that the American way?



tom