Can anyone explain to me...

[rskrause]

How it is that being in a union means you should pay taxes at a different rate? I am referring to the whole Cadillac health plan tax idea. It's a bad idea anyway, as are most government redistribution plans. But I seem to remember something about 'equal protection under the law". Maybe that just applies to gay marriage?

I didn't vote for Obama, but I actually harbored some hope when he was elected that maybe it wouldn't be so bad. It's worse than I ever imagined.

Richard

[DCK]

.....lobbyists and union voters that are levying their votes for Obama and democrats.

At least most of Ben Nelson's constituents did not want preferential treatment, which is to be commended in the face of temptation. I doubt you see union members in an uproar over this and benefitting their own family while others' families flip the bill and go with less. Cut throats.

[1989TransAm]

That means the rest of us will have to pay more if this thing passes. Let's just pray it does not pass.

[enigma57]

...... It's a bad idea anyway, as are most government redistribution plans. But I seem to remember something about 'equal protection under the law".

Exactly! Richard, any time government purports to create special 'rights' or 'privileges' for any group of people...... It denies everyone else 'equal protection under the law' as stipulated in the 14th Amendment.

But that's really neither here nor there...... Because the entire 'health care' debacle is unconstitutional anyway. For NOWHERE in our constitution is government given the authority to place such constraints on the our citizens. And that is what needs to be driven home about all this crap the current administration is attempting to impose on the American people against our will!

fas·cism (fshzm)
n.
1. often Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

With regard to the current administration, you might find the following discussion on collectivism and statism rather apropos as well......

http://freedomkeys.com/collectivism.htm

Looking forward to correcting this in 2010 and 2012,

Harry

[crazyman]

Not looking forward to the masses re-electing this same thing in 2012.

Cummon' we all know it's gonna happen. That's just the way this world works, unless we follow the constitution and uncommon sense to the T.

I have a nice area picked out in mexico if the SHTF.

[enigma57]

Trust me on this, crazyman...... You have no idea just how angry, how outraged and how determined everyone I know is to run this bunch out of office just as fast as we can. They will NOT be in power after 2012 and they will loose their majority status in one if not both houses of Congress in 2010 in the leadup to the 2012 elections. And that goes for the spineless 'go along to get along' types amongst Republican senators and congressmen who failed to strongly oppose them at every turn as well. Time to clean house and make a fresh start. Out with the old and in with the new.

Best regards,

Harry

[Engguy]

Yeah yeah, just like how the governor in this state won again. Its all a manipulation, just like there is no accountability for where tax money goes there is the same for where your votes go. Who ever they want in will get in. It won't be someone we need like Sara palin, they will make sure of that, just like they did last time.

[enigma57]

Horse hockey! Not if you don't let 'them'! And don't tell me next year how you didn't vote because your vote doesn't count. Every vote counts. Even the legitimate ones such as yours and mine. In fact, its doubly important to vote now of days, for we must get an overwhelming majority in order to counter the voter fraud this bunch is noted for.

If you want to make a difference for the better, quit complaining and do your part to make damn sure the mistake of '08 never happens again. At least not in our lifetime, Engguy.

Best regards,

Harry

[rskrause]

I can't predict elections but I also hope most of the current crop in the majority gets the boot. HOWEVER, recent experiecne doesn't speak well of the Repubs either. In fact, they are to blame for Obama and the Dem majority. Obama would never have been elected if that cipher Bush hadn't preceeded him. We had a Repub majority and a so-called conmservative President. And we still got cancerous growth of the Government, new entitlements (aka medicare drug benefit), iditiotic foreign aid (over $1bn for AIDS in Africa), loss of civil liberites (Patriot Act) and so on. True, the current crop is worse but because of the aforementioned is how they got elected.

Well, for now all I can do is hope. If this health care "reform" passes, I guess some of it might be sucessfully challenged (though I don't have much faith in the Courts either) and it is just possible that the next Congress might be changed enough to repeal or change it. But I am not optjmistic.

Richard

[Engguy]

I try to do my part. The real ones that can turn this crap mess around are the ones that have the power and the equipment to do it. The police forces and the military, everyone that knows one needs to wake them all up.

edit to to the

[DCK]

I try to do my part. The real ones that can turn this crap mess around are the ones that have to power and the equipment to do it. The police forces and the military, everyone that knows one needs to wake them all up.

It may come to that someday if they keep thinking the people, not the liberals, are not serious. The people on the fence will come around eventually.

[needforspeed66gt]

I can't predict elections but I also hope most of the current crop in the majority gets the boot. HOWEVER, recent experiecne doesn't speak well of the Repubs either. In fact, they are to blame for Obama and the Dem majority. Obama would never have been elected if that cipher Bush hadn't preceeded him. We had a Repub majority and a so-called conmservative President. And we still got cancerous growth of the Government, new entitlements (aka medicare drug benefit), iditiotic foreign aid (over $1bn for AIDS in Africa), loss of civil liberites (Patriot Act) and so on. True, the current crop is worse but because of the aforementioned is how they got elected.

Well, for now all I can do is hope. If this health care "reform" passes, I guess some of it might be sucessfully challenged (though I don't have much faith in the Courts either) and it is just possible that the next Congress might be changed enough to repeal or change it. But I am not optjmistic.

Richard

In total agreement.

Problem is that most if not all politicians are just self serving parasites and until there are REAL term limits put in place and an elimination of "professional" politicians, the government is just going to become more corrupt and worthless to the people it's supposed to work for.

[enigma57]

Richard, Engguy, DCK, Nate...... I agree.

Engguy, I read over my priour post just now...... And I apologize. Sometimes, I forget that I'm a civilian now and revert to squad leader mode. That was my way of encouraging you to keep up the fight and never let those commie jerks in Washington discourage you nor make you think that your vote doesn't count.

Strange......

Must be the recurring image of the ornament with chairman Mao's image on the 'Obama' Christmas tree......



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12 ... ong-comes/

...... Or the comments made by several of his unconstitutionally appointed 'Tzars' regarding how they admire Mao Tse Tung, who murdered over 70 million people...... And look to him for inspiration......

http://biggovernment.com/2009/10/16/les ... more-17150

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/? ... BkMDQ2NzY=

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-czar-agre ... -nonsense/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi1zg2NO ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlGNhAnw ... re=related

http://www.mixx.com/videos/7499332/yout ... _communist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4EHmzsl ... re=related

But for some reason, I can't get the song by the Beatles out of my mind tonight......


Revolution

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world.
You tell me that it's evolution,
Well, you know
We all want to change the world.
But when you talk about destruction,
Don't you know that you can count me out. In.
Don't you know it's going to be all right,
all right, all right.
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan.
You ask me for a contribution,
Well, you know
We all do what we can.
If you want money for people with minds that hate,
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait.
Don't you know it's going to be all right,
all right, all right.
You say you'll change a constitution
Well, you know
We'd all love to change your head.
You tell me it's the institution,
Well, you know
You better free your mind instead.
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao,
You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.
Don't you know it's going to be all right,
all right, all right.


Best regards to all,

Harry

[David Redszus]

As a child, I was taught that we live under certain governing conditions. Lately, I have some difficulty remembering what those idealistic conditions of state really were. As I get older, some of the distinctions of form have become blurred.

Can anyone identify which of the following forms of governance belong to the United States today? And which ones are we supposed to have?


Autocracy: system of government ruled by one who has absolute, supreme, uncontrolled power or authority over others.

Bureaucracy: a government administered by bureaus, departments or officials, often excessively numerous, extremely powerful, and inflexibly routine.

Capitalism: form of economic, industrial, and social organization of society involving ownership, control, and direction by privately owned businesses and citizens.

Communism: the theory of a social system in which everything is held in common and private ownership is not permitted, featuring ruthless suppression of all political opposition and individual liberties.

Dictatorship: absolute control of economic and political power by a government of the working class.

Fascism: a centralized autocratic national regime with extremely nationalistic policies, featuring forced suppression of opposition: unions, leftists, and minorities, with an economic system based on privately owned but state controlled capitalism.

Freedom: the state or quality of being free, unencumbered or liberated from some other person or some arbitrary power or restriction, being free to choose, act and move without hindrance and restraint.

Socialism: economic and political system, aimed at governmental ownership and operation of all means of production and distribution, rather than by private individuals.

Now just who the hell are we?

Websters Unabridged

[rskrause]

David: Easy to answer. Obama and his henchmen want to create a Socialist Bureaucracy. What have now is a Bureauracy with both Capitalist and Socialist elements. IOW, we are moving from one towards the other. BTW: I believe that some of Obama's Tzars want a Communist system, and what's amazing is how open they are are about it.

Can we at least agree that there is too much Bureaucracy?

Pray for a miracle in Massachusetts!

Richard